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Originally posted by jaif:
Which has nothing to do with the statement you quoted; "federal help" has nothing to do with "national guard". The governor is the commander of the state's national guard, and it is the governor's job to call them up and give them orders.

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I think you in this thread, and the media in general, are micro-managing decisions that you shouldn't. I think we, the public, should reserve our criticism for the big decisions that arch over the little ones...I'm not going to worry too much about the mis-steps below this level...If mistakes were made by their organizations, then they should correct them, not the court of public opinion.

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Furthermore, it appears that all three simply could not grasp the potential scope for disaster that should have been abundantly clear before the hurricane hit.

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Originally posted by jaif:
Ok, let's take this a step further...
But they did none of this. They left the city wide open for a category 4 storm, and they have now paid the price....

Can we go after those crooks? Can the media press that point in other locales where crooked politicians shunt money from needed public works and pour it into rich people's hands?

That's where I'd like to see the focus.

-Jeff

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Pathetic, but it doesn't surprise me...

Federal officials say the e-mail was prompted by a congressional inquiry but wouldn't comment further. (I wonder which Republican cooked up this bright idea?)

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And the master of dirty tricks is ..... starts with R and ends with ove. That plus a few other well-known names. I just go with the odds.


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http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/091605/new_doctorordered001.shtml
Doctor says FEMA ordered him to stop treating hurricane victims

In the midst of administering chest compressions to a dying woman several days after Hurricane Katrina struck, Dr. Mark N. Perlmutter was ordered to stop by a federal official because he wasn't registered with the Federal Emergency Management Agency....

At the triage area in the New Orleans airport, Perlmutter was successful in getting FEMA to accept the insulin and morphine he had brought. "The pharmacist told us they were completely out of insulin and our donation would save numerous lives. Still, I felt we were the most-valuable resource, and we were sent away."

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Originally posted by rue:
Rove is like Dr. Terwilliger. His thoughts, someone else's fingerprints.


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Why wouldn't FEMA let the people in downtown New Orleans leave?

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I can't find any FEMA responsibility for this. Anyone have any evidence?

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Originally posted by rue:
Hey, how about that Rita evacuation down in Texas ! Went down smooth, didn't it ?


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You must not have heard about the thousands of people too poor to evacuate who had to stay behind. I'm not sure how you missed reports of the chaos and that fact that tens of thousands of people couldn't get far away enough by car.

Had Rita actually hit the area especially with any force, the severe shortcomings would have been easily apparent.



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"Bureaucracy has committed murder here in the greater New Orleans area, and bureaucracy has to stand trial."
-Aaron Broussard, president Jefferson Parish council, MSNBC, TRANSCRIPT Meet the Press with Tim Russert, VIDEO: "Feds criticized for slow response," and VIDEO: "She drowned Friday night," September 4, 2005

"As it turns out, the Canadians Pohlman met weren't the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. They were actually a search and rescue team that had traveled all the way from Vancouver, British Columbia, some 2,800 miles away, and they got there first.
Pohlman: I don't know how they got here. It may have been on their horses, but they got here.
FEMA crosses wires with local officials.
FEMA teams eventually did arrive in stricken areas. But at least initially, in their efforts to organize an effective relief effort, the FEMA workers sometimes crossed wires with local officials. Maestri told us FEMA workers seized diesel fuel needed to run generators for emergency response.
Maestri: When we went to get the fuel, fuel that we had ordered and paid for, bought by Jefferson Parish, that fuel was seized. And we were told that FEMA had taken control of all fuel. And they were seizing that. And we would have to justify— go through a bureaucratic process to get that fuel released to the parish.
Phillips: So your people were turned around?
Maestri: Well, we were turned around and we came to realize that if that’s the kind of game that’s being played, when I sent the fuel truck back and I sent it back with armed sheriff’s deputies, because not on my watch. I was gonna try to make sure that nobody died.
Phillips: And they get the fuel?
Maestri: We got the fuel that time.
Phillips: So you were saying that FEMA actually became an obstruction—
Maestri: That’s correct.
And when his radio communications system was crippled Maestri says he was stunned to learn FEMA was responsible.
Maestri: My technicians reported back to me, “Hey, I know why you’re not communicating. Somebody took down your all antenna.” When we got him up there and he looked he said, “My God.” He said, “This is a FEMA antenna. Somebody disconnected your antenna and put theirs up.”
-NBC, "What went wrong in hurricane crisis?"
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9269337/page/4/

"Broussard hinted that he thought President Bush should be held responsible, saying, 'whoever is at the top of this totem pole, that totem pole needs to be chain-sawed off and we've got to start with some new leadership.'"
-Newsmax, "La. Official: Feds 'Murdered' Flood Victims," September 5, 2005

"George Bush is on vacation in Crawford, Texas, taking the same August-long break that he did in the summer before the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The appeal of Crawford appears to be that it provides the President with an opportunity to put aside all the troubles of the world and to focus on fixing fences and clearing brush. After all, it was during his previous vacation that Bush ignored an August 6, 2001, briefing document titled: 'Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S.'"
-The Nation, "The President's Vacation From Reality", August 15, 2005

"Bush just diddle-daddles and works out all day so his boyfriends think he's handsome."
-Alex Jones, www.Infowars.com Radio, WBCR 1470am, September 1, 2005

"Not only was FEMA chief Michael D. Brown (Bronski) a former attorney for the Lyons, Colorado based International Arabian Horse Association, but he was actually *fired from the International Arabian Horse Association. A Kos poster writes that his colleagues say he was fired for being an "unmitigated, total...disaster". The NYT profiles him here. Even I am staggered -- Brown was the lawyer for the horse association not back in the 1980s or 1990s, but until 2001 when he was brought into FEMA as deputy director by Joe Allbaugh. Incredible. One would think Bush administration party patronage positions would be confined to - you know, cushy ambassadorships and Iraq CPA positions, not doled out as heads of agencies that should be led by even semi-competent technocrats and professionals. Bring in the cavalry, indeed."
-War and Peace, "FEMA Head FIRED From Horse Association in 2001," September 3, 2005 (VIDEO: FEMA RUN BY JEW MICHAEL BROWN FROM ARABIAN HORSE ASSN, September 4, 2005)

"Michael Brown's (Bronski) previous job was judging horse shows, and he was fired from that. That job is missing from his official resume. But what nobody is reporting is that another of Brown's prior jobs, that's also missing from his resume, WAS WORKING FOR HURRICANE PLANNING FOR CITY OF NEW ORLEANS, so he knew all about the dangers of levees bursting...! Everything that's 'going wrong' is happening by design."
-Joyce Riley, The Power Hour Radio, September 6, 2005

"Government control of Communications and Transportation."
-Communist Manifesto, 6th Plank, written by Luciferian Masonic Jew Karl Marx in London, England

"Even though dry land routes exist leading out of the city, emergency officials continued to prevent able-bodied storm victims from trying to walk across the Crescent City Bridge, citing the dangers they said would be posed by an uncontrolled exit from the city. 'The last thing we need is people walking an en masse exodus on the interstate,' said Louisiana State Police Lt. Lawrence McLeary. 'Number one, they could probably be in shock and need medical attention. We don't know if they're lawless going out of town and we don't want them walking around wreaking havoc.'"
-James Janega and Howard Witt, "Help arrives, but many in New Orleans still wait for deliverance," September 2, 2005

"State Police in Lafayette, Louisiana, have been accussed of hindering attempts by private citizens to rescue people trapped by floodwaters in New Orleans. The accusations were contained in an unconfirmed report received via email by Jason Robideaux, an attorney from Lafayette. A group of approximately 1,000 citizens pulling 500 boats heading into New Orleans to rescue people still stranded in places such as hospitals. Members of the flotilla were experienced boaters, licensed fishermen and hunters, people who have spent their entire adult life and teenage years on the waterways of Louisiana. A Dept. of Wildlife & Fisheries (DWF) agent ordered them to turn around and go home. Hundreds of DWF agents were not being utilised. The launch site where the La. Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries were launching their rescue operations via boat. They reported to me that there were over 200 DWF agents just standing around and doing nothing."
-Wikinews, "Louisiana officials accused of blocking rescue volunteers," September 2, 2005

Female reporter: "Is it true that the levees were blown up on purpose?"
White House Press Bullshitter: "This is not the time or the place for questions like that!"
-Press Conference with Ex-President George Bush Sr. Sir Knight of the British Empire and Ex-President Bill Clinton-Blythe-Rockefeller IV, MSNBC Morning Show, September 5, 2005

"Answer the damn question! Scott McClellan is a whore. People wake up every day and decide how they want to make a living. And McClellan gets up every day and decides to be a media whore. A whore. A whore. A whore!"
-Don Imus, Imus In The Morning, MSNBC, September 8, 2005

"Associated Press reports that at least five people shot dead by police as they walked across a New Orleans bridge yesterday were contractors working for the US Defence department. A spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers said the victims were contractors on their way to repair a canal. The contractors were on their way across the bridge to launch barges into Lake Pontchartrain, in an operation to fix the 17th Street Canal, according to the spokesman. The shootings took place on the Danziger Bridge, across a canal connecting Lake Pontchartrain to the Mississippi River. Early on Sunday, Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley of New Orleans said police shot at eight people, killing five or six."
-Australian Herald-Sun, "Five dead were army workers: report," September 2, 2005

"Repair crews have patched the ruptured levee along the 17th Street Canal and have begun pumping water from New Orleans, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said Monday. Helicopters closed the approximately 300-foot breach by filling it with more than 200 15,000-pound sandbags (BUT PHOTO AND VIDEO SHOWED A SECTION LEFT OPEN). Trucks also poured loads of fill dirt into the damaged section. Crews intentionally breached levees in St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes Monday so that water would flow back into Lake Borgne, John Rickey, a corps spokesman said."
-CNN, "Pumps begin to drain New Orleans," September 5, 2005

"Helicopter news reporters said there has still been no attempt to repair the dykes in New Orleans. The US Corps of Engineers was seen filling sandbags. Why didn't they do that over the weekend?"
-Harry Shearer, director of Teddy Bear's Picnic at Bohemian Grove homosexual nudist colony and presidential retreat, MSNBC TV Wednesday night 3 days after Katrina

"The US Corps of Engineers will actually open up the levees in places to allow the water level to drop faster" (except it will cause more flooding at high-tide... or storms...).
-MSNBC TV, September 4 & 5, 2005

"And most chillingly of all, this is the Law and Order and Terror government. It promised protection - or at least amelioration - against all threats: conventional, radiological, or biological. It has just proved that it cannot save its citizens from a biological weapon called standing water."
-Keith Olbermann, MSNBC, "The 'city' of Louisiana", September 5, 2005

"'That would be a P.R. nightmare for us,' Capt. Marlon Defillo said of any forced evacuations. By late Tuesday afternoon, Corps officials said only three of New Orleans' normal contingent of 148 drainage pumps were operating. The Coast Guard has said 110 barges, ships and boats sank or ran aground during the storm -- 67 of them in the Mississippi River, and another 43 along the coast. The levees were deliberately breached in some spots to let the water flow back out into Lake Pontchartrain, where the water level had dropped below that inside the city."
-Cain Burdeau, Newsday, "New Orleans Mayor Orders Forced Evacuation," September 7, 2005

"On Saturday Sept, 3 at approximately 5 pm the Fox News Channel was interviewing a black actor ( who's name I can't remember now.... Haley Stevens? ) and he said that he spoke to one of the first flood victims from the broken levy in New Orleans as this victim's house was the first to be flooded away. The victim said that he saw 2 separate empty grain sail barges crash into the levy and break them at 2 different points. The reporter asked the actor to repeat what he said as this was the first time he's heard of it."
-Rob Willett, DavidIcke.com, "Who Broke the Levees?"

"Depressed and demoralized White House staffers say working at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is “life in a hellhole” as they try to deal with a sullen, moody President whose temper tantrums drive staffers crying from the room and bring the business of running the country to a halt. 'It’s like working in an insane asylum,' says one White House aide. 'People walk around like they’re in a trance. We’re the dance band on the Titanic, playing out our last songs to people who know the ship is sinking and none of us are going to make it.' That sentiment is echoed by former Republican Speaker of the House homosexual Newt Gingrich. 'I think the Administration realizes the larger system has failed,' Gingrich says. 'They are not where they want to be on Iraq. Katrina was an absolute failure.' ‘It reminds me of the Nixon days,’ says a longtime GOP political consultant with contacts in the White House. ‘Everybody is an enemy; everybody is out to get him. That’s the mood over there.’"
-Doug Thompson, Capitol Hill Blue, "Bush's Depression: Been There, Reported That," September 28, 2005

DAVID MUIR, ABC NEWS: This is the actual levee that runs along the canal on the eastern side of the city. And when the hurricane hit, the water came through at such force, it was apparently too much. You can see the massive breach here, and when you look around the corner you can see what the water did to the Lower Ninth Ward. It compleetley destoryed neighborhoods.
JOE EDWARDS, JR., 9TH WARD RESIDENT: I heard something go BOOM!
MUIR: Joe Edwards rushed to get himself and as many neighbors as possible into his truck. They drove to this bridge, where they've been living ever since.
EDWARDS: My house broke in half. My mother's house just disintegrated. It was a brick house. All the houses down there floated down the street like somebody's guiding 'em.
MUIR: Was it solely the water that broke the levee, or was it the force of this barge that now sits where homes once did? Joe Edwards says neither. People are so bitter, so disenfranchised in this neighborhood, they actually think the city did it, blowing up the levee to save richer neighborhoods like the French Quarter.
MUIR: So you're convinced . . .
EDWARDS: I know this happened!
MUIR: . . . they broke the levee on purpose?
EDWARDS: They blew it!
MUIR: New Orleans' mayor says there's no credence to this.
NEW ORLEANS MAYOR RAY NAGIN: That storm was so powerful and it pushed so much water, there's no way anyone could have calculated what levee to dynamite to have the kind of impact to save the French Quarter.
MUIR: An LSU expert who looked at the video today says, while the barge may have caused it, it was most likely the sheer force of the water that brought the levee along the Lower Ninth Ward down.
—ABC News, VIDEO: "Earwitness tells ABC explosives blew Industrial Canal levee," Total Information Analysis, September 12 2005
www.total411.info/2005/09/video-earwitness-tells-abc-explosives.html

"Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee said he has 'commandered' the Sam's and Wal-Mart stores in the parish and ordered them to open as soon as possible. Lee said he took the action after he learned that a Wal-Mart store wanted to open recently but was told by FEMA officials that it could not. 'I am upset with FEMA and some of their regulations,' Lee said. After talking about the situation concerning the Wal-Mart on Thursday, Lee said he briefly talked to Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-New Orleans on Friday. He asked her to check on the situation and find out if there was a legitimate reason to keep the store closed. But because of communication difficulties, he did not hear back and took the situation in his own hands. Lee said he gave handwritten notes to Wal-Mart stores in Harvey and Kenner saying they were ordered to open as soon as possible. Lee said Parish President Aaron Broussard agreed with the decision. Lee said anyone from FEMA who tries to close either store will be arrested by deputies. 'We're encouraging the businesses to get up and going.' On other topics, Lee said he had 40 deputies who didn't report for duty for the storm. One who tried to return was told not to waste his time. 'As far as I am concerned (he) will never get a job in law enforcement again,' Lee said."
-Times Picayune, "Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee commandeers Sam's Wal-Mart stores," September 13, 2005

Female reporter: “President Clinton, what do you think about the fact that some of the folks think that the levee was broken on purpose?”
White House Press Bullshitter: "This is not the time or the place for questions like that!"
-Press Conference with Ex-President George Bush Sr. Sir Knight of the British Empire and Ex-President Bill Clinton-Blythe-Rockefeller IV, CSPAN Video, MSNBC Morning Show, September 5, 2005

"The US Corps of Engineers will actually open up the levees in places to allow the water level to drop faster" (except it will cause more flooding at high-tide... or storms...).
-MSNBC TV, September 4 & 5, 2005

New Orleans resident: "I'm not going to leave my home. We've worked hard to own our own home and we finally did it."
Ted Koppel: "But your home is flooded. For your own safety you have to leave!"
New Orleans resident: "Once I leave I'll never be allowed to return, because they'll tear my house down. They've been trying to steal our homes for years. That's what this is all about - it's just a way to steal our land and give it to a big developer for nothin."
-ABC News, Nightline, September 6, 2005

"The Associated Press reported today that unarmed Mexican troops were being escorted by the US army to help relief efforts for hurricane Katrina. However, the report was only specific to one convoy. The convoys reported to Alex Jones are said to be fully armed with Heckler & Koch German assault rifles. The first sighting occurred at 12:30 on Highway 183 traveling towards Austin. The eyewitness described at least ten vehicles, four jeeps (other witnesses described them as Humvees) and six combat trucks brimming with armed Mexican troops wearing body armor, helmets and rifles. The troops riding in the jeeps were wearing holstered hand guns. The vehicles were not being escorted by the US army or any other government vehicles and the vehicles were festooned with insignia reading 'Mexico MP's' and the Mexican flag. The second sighting of a similar nature occurred north of Austin on I35 near Georgetown Texas. Prison Planet contacted Congressman Ron Paul's office whose district is in Texas and the Congressman's response was, "any Mexican troops here period is illegal and unconstitutional."
-Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson, "Armed Mexican Troops Invade US - Eyewitnesses: Under cover of aid, combat ready soldiers roll into Texas," September 8 2005
www.infowars.com/articles/us/mexican_troops_enter_texas_armed.htm

VIDEO:
www.infowars.com/video/clips/news/091205_mexican_troops.htm

"The day is coming when American police will be ordered to round up millions of Americans and execute them, just as police or military have been asked to round up and sumarily execute 200-million people in the past 100 years."
—Jack McLamb, Officer Jack McLamb Radio Program, "The most-decorated cop in Phoenix PD history," Police & Military Against the New World Order, author of Operation Vampire Killers, publisher of Aid and Abet Police & Military Newsletter, H.C. 11, Box 357, Kamiah, Idaho 83536, 208-935-7852, from interview on Infowars.com Radio, 16 January 2002
www.JackMcLamb.com

"What I said is, if a federal agent comes knocking at your door-- specifically BATF--says I have a search warrant, open the door, let him in, stand aside and let him search. What I said is, if they come shooting--they're shooting at you now--you have the right to self-defense, and in that event, if they've got a body-protection armor on, you are best to shoot to the groin area."
—G. Gordon Liddy, attorney at law, White House counsel and Watergate burgler, FBI agent, convicted felon, Crossfire, 4/25/95

"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests."
-G. Gordon Liddy, attorney at law, White House counsel and Watergate burgler, FBI agent, convicted felon, radio show, 8/26/94

"Go fuck yourself, Mr. Cheney! Go fuck yourself!"
CNN reporter: "Are you getting a lot of that Mr. Vice President?"
"Dick" Cheney: "First time I've heard it., Must be a friend of John... [Lee?], er, ah - never mind."
-VIDEO, OpEdNews.com, "Physician who told Cheney to go F*ck Himself Lost his Home in Katrina, Detained, Cuffed by Cheney's M-16-carrying Goons," September 9, 2005
www.CrooksAndLiars.com

"If the American people ever find out what we have done, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us."
-George Bush Sr. Sir Knight of the British Empire, trillionaire narcoterrorist looting $1-billion/day in 15-years of Iraq Wars that genocided 1.6-million civilians and ended production of cheap Iraqi oil

"Hangin's too good for him. Burning's too good for him. He out to be torn into itty bitty peices and buried alive!"
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In an e-mail message sent on Aug. 29, the day the hurricane struck, Mr. Brown exchanged messages about his attire with Cindy Taylor, deputy director of public affairs at the agency, according to the report. "My eyes must be deceiving me," Ms. Taylor wrote to him, apparently referring to public appearances he had made. "You look fabulous - and I'm not talking about the makeup."

Mr. Brown, in turn, responded: "I got it at Nordstroms ... Are you proud of me?" An hour later, he added: "If you'll look at my lovely FEMA attire you'll really vomit. I am a fashion god."

Democrats said that Mr. Brown also found time to e-mail his assistant to inquire about a sitter for his dog. "Do you know of anyone who dog-sits," he wrote on Aug. 30, the day after the hurricane struck. "If you know of any responsible kids, let me know. They can have the house to themselves Th-Su." In another instance, on Aug. 29, he sent Ms. Taylor a message that Democrats said suggested he was overwhelmed. "Can I quit now," he wrote. "Can I come home?" A few days later, he wrote a similar message to an acquaintance, saying, "I am trapped now, please rescue me."

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The Bush administration is withholding information relevant to a Senate committee investigating federal management of Hurricane Katrina. Invoking executive privilege, the administration has also refused to allow sworn testimony from senior White House officials on the disaster and governmental response... the investigation, conducted by the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, has been thwarted by the White House from obtaining communications logs, and even dates and times of meetings and phone calls regarding Katrina emergency response efforts. ...The administration had declined to provide testimony from Andrew Card, the White House chief of staff; Card’s deputy, Joe Hagin; and domestic security adviser Frances Townsend. Townsend’s deputy, Ken Rapuano, has given informal, non-public briefings to the committee, but has also effectively been placed under a presidential gag order. In addition, Duffy said that the administration has refused to provide staff member correspondence, including e-mails regarding the hurricane....According to Lieberman, attorneys advised former Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) head Michael Brown during a closed-door session not to respond to questions on “whether he spoke to the president or the vice president, or comment on the substance of conversations” he had with White House officials during the response operation. Brown stated, “I’m being advised by counsel that I can’t discuss with you my conversations with the president’s chief of staff and the president.”... Republican Senator Susan Collins, also on the committee, complained of “completely inappropriate” reticence on the part of witnesses who “have told us when we begin to ask about any communications with the White House” that they had been advised not to answer, citing executive privilege.

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"HECKUVA JOB" BROWNIE E-MAILED THESE:

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In an e-mail message sent on Aug. 29, the day the hurricane struck, Mr. Brown exchanged messages about his attire with Cindy Taylor, deputy director of public affairs at the agency, according to the report.

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And this criminal is STILL employed by FEMA as a "contractor"... because he did EXACTLY what the Bush Gang wanted....

"Heck of a job, Brownie!"
-Commander in Thief

I wonder whose city is NEXT on the chopping block of the New World Odor? Waco, OK City, 9/11, New Orleans - the devastation is growing exponentially.... Entire US cities are now being burned to the ground by "wildfires" that always turn out to be arson, usually by pyromaniac firemen seeking overtime pay, or White House special operatives....

Imagine what a Pentagon Tsunami bomb could do to USA?
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Originally posted by rue:
It would be all about the money if FEMA didn't cost lives. And destroy lives. Tens of thousands of people are still displaced, on the verge of being kicked out of hotels and onto the streets.

Otherwise, the whole scheme to whiten-up NO for speculators stinks.

Geezer, any feelings about how the government should have waited to set up alternate housing? I seem to remember you condoned government inaction.
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Geezer's taken a lesson from his master - never admit failure.


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Oh, come on. Standard government ineptitude is easily enough to generate failures in certain areas, but far from the conspiracy theories you promulgate.

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
Geezer can I ask a question?

About the only thing that folks on both sides of the political fence agree on is that defence is a legitimate function of government. I think we can agree that the intention of FEMA is to provide a civil defence function.

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
Had the army or the navy screwed up in such a way that (what?) 3,000 Americans were now dead you know there would be a full enquiry, if for no better reason than to prevent it from happening again.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
This is the other lesson that he learned: when the facts don't go your way, just engage in ad hominem attacks.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Well I noticed right away that Geezer had nothing to say about the "Heckuva job" emails OR the fact that Bush has been/still is stonewalling the Commission. But he conjured up black helicopters. I dunno Rue, did YOU bring up black helicopters??? Did I?? Did Fletch??

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Knox Sheriff Declines "America's Most Wanted" Help in Berry Murder:

After all, it doesn't look like Knox County is any closer to solving this case, leaving many of Johnia's family members like Gaines Burke, frustrated. "It seems that to me they would have more information or leads," Burke said. Berry's parents tell us America's Most Wanted approached the sheriff's department about doing a story on this case, but they say Knox County turned down that request.
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Well, see? Ask and you shall receive: black helicopters!

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What did you expect him to do? End his vacation? Moblize the National Guard from other states? Step in when market forces are ineffective? Match the government's reponse to the size of the disaster? Give a shit???

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"Our investigation revealed that Katrina was a national failure, an abdication of the most solemn obligation to provide for the common welfare," the report said. "At every level -- individual, corporate, philanthropic and governmental -- we failed to meet the challenge that was Katrina. In this cautionary tale, all the little pigs built houses of straw." ...The report is the result of a Republican 11-member House select committee that investigated the response to Katrina at the local, state and federal levels... The panel found that Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff was "detached" and that then-Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Michael Brown was "clueless," Shays said. In one of the excerpts, Chertoff was chided for executing critical responsibilities "late, ineffectively or not at all."

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