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The Internet outs CIA operatives

POSTED BY: GEEZER
UPDATED: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 13:35
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Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:27 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

The Chicago Tribune says it has compiled a list of 2,653 CIA employees, just by searching the internet.
The newspaper said it gathered the information from online services that compile public data, that any fee-paying subscriber can access.

It did not publish the names, at the CIA's request. Many of the agents are believed to be covert. The paper also located two dozen "secret" facilities.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4799174.stm

So if "Scooter" Libby and possibly Dick Cheney should be prosecuted for outing Valerie Plame, should the Internet be shut down for outing an additional 2.5K spooks? Now that Dubai Ports World has pulled the plug on his last crusade, will Chuck Schumer jump on this as his next soundbite spectacular?





"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:33 PM

CARTOON


Welcome to the information age.

This is very scary. (At least I'm scared.)



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Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:36 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

should the Internet be shut down for outing an additional 2.5K spooks?

I resent that...I mean, isn't 'spooks' a loaded term?

Chrisisall, the friendly ghost

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:43 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Hey, they didn't give up on total information awareness. It only seems fair to run it both ways.


Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:55 PM

CHRISISALL


Um..where exactly do chickens come to roost?

Earth is too interesting these days...Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:57 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by cartoon:
Welcome to the information age.

This is very scary. (At least I'm scared.)



I agree, Cartoon.
If the 'net gets closed, it was nice talking with ya...

Chrisisall

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Monday, March 13, 2006 2:35 AM

DREAMTROVE


I think that this is actually different. Cheney and Libby were actually committing a deliberate act of treason. I strongly suspect that the motive for outing her was not a 'petty payback' for her husband's disloyalty to the president's agenda, (ie his telling of the truth) but that in fact Valerie Plame was the target all along. Plame was not just the wife of the former ambassador to Iraq, but also the head of a WMD research program which had two dozen contacts in the muslim underworld. This operation was churning out classified information which quite likely was at odds with what the vice president wanted to hear, or more importantly, wanted other people with the proper level of clearance to hear.

Because of Plame's outing, not only was one secret agenda killed, but many of Plame's contacts as well, by Al Qaeda forces who quickly seized on the identification with pictures and details which was dutifully broadcast ad nauseum by our media thanks to another traitor, Bob Novak. As a result of all of this, Al Qaeda was freed of many of its own leaks, and could pursue WMD trades more or less unhindered.

Which they did with the blind eye of Dubai Ports.

I think all of this is serious stuff, and it's pretty clear whether or not one believes "Bush is Clinton" that at the very least Bush and Clinton both operated in interests other than those of America, whether they were those of Communist China, Israeli Theocracy, Saudi Bombs and Oil Inc. or the new EUSSR. I don't think this is a partisan issue.

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Monday, March 13, 2006 5:08 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Because of Plame's outing, not only was one secret agenda killed, but many of Plame's contacts as well, by Al Qaeda forces who quickly seized on the identification with pictures and details which was dutifully broadcast ad nauseum by our media thanks to another traitor, Bob Novak. As a result of all of this, Al Qaeda was freed of many of its own leaks, and could pursue WMD trades more or less unhindered.


Ah yes, the Plame Gambit. An evil plot to betray the United States by outing our own female Jane Bond despite the fact the she was retired from covert work (unless she was under conver working a desk at the CIA), her only real contacts were a hair salon in Prague and a Chinease take-out place near Langley, and everybody already knew who she was.

What's next Dr. Evil?

H

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Monday, March 13, 2006 6:14 AM

CARTOON


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I agree, Cartoon.


(Cartoon immediately suspects the motives of this chrisisall person -- because no one agrees with Cartoon.)

Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
If the 'net gets closed, it was nice talking with ya...


Net gets closed?!?!? Whoah!! I was referring to the fact that people can apparently access personal information regarding the identity of our agents freely over the internet.

(Cartoon is further confused that this chrisisall person claims that it was "nice" talking with Cartoon -- as everyone knows that talking with Cartoon can never be construed as something which is "nice". Cartoon therefore immediately launches an investigation into the background of this chrisisall person -- via the information which is apparently freely accessible over the internet -- to determine the mental state of the afforementioned chrisisall person.

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Monday, March 13, 2006 6:49 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by cartoon:

Net gets closed?!?!? Whoah!! I was referring to the fact that people can apparently access personal information regarding the identity of our agents freely over the internet.


Well, it's scary for lots of reasons.

And chill, my friend. However we may duke it out on the RWED, we're both still Browncoats, right?

Looney Chrisisall

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Monday, March 13, 2006 7:10 AM

CARTOON


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
However we may duke it out on the RWED, we're both still Browncoats, right?

Looney Chrisisall


Us Browncoats?!?!?

Does Jayne Cobb ever go anywhere unarmed?

Two stupid questions. Answer to both is obviously a big YES!!!

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Monday, March 13, 2006 7:24 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Ah yes, the Plame Gambit. An evil plot to betray the United States by outing our own female Jane Bond despite the fact the she was retired from covert work (unless she was under conver working a desk at the CIA), her only real contacts were a hair salon in Prague and a Chinease take-out place near Langley, and everybody already knew who she was.



Hero,

I am always increasingly convinced that you're an idiot. Nothing personal, just being objective. No one thought Valerie Plame was a field operative, she was more or less a pencil pusher, but was by no means retired, and even if she had been, the revealing of her identity would have tipped off Al Qaeda, who probably keeps tabs on everyone from the west that their associates do business with.

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Monday, March 13, 2006 8:36 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
the revealing of her identity would have tipped off Al Qaeda, who probably keeps tabs on everyone from the west that their associates do business with.



Yes, they are all recorded in great detail in an intricate series of coded cave drawings.

H

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Monday, March 13, 2006 10:00 AM

DREAMTROVE


I think I've finally figured out what it is with the sheep squad: They believe everything a television tells them.

Hero,

here's a suggestion: Pick up the habit of reading.

The "Caves" of Osama bin Laden are subterrestrial operation centers built by the CIA. Contrary to tinfoil hat theory, these were not built for Osama bin Laden to use to plot attacks against the US. They were built for the CIA to use to spy on the Soviets. We withdrew, and OBL took them over.

I remember a speech in which Bush was talking about Iraqis, and said something like "We're talking about people who live in caves" copying the idea from the Afghan bunkers. This is white supremacist fantasyland.

Given the pathetic state of our own intelligence gathering, I don't think we're in any position to downplay Al Qaeda's, as they are doing rather better than we are at the moment. The truth is all of this comes down to a simple racism. Western leaders can't credit that an arab is actually intelligent. It's clear that AQ has outsmarted us, the brits, the french, the spanish and the russians. I don't think they're geniuses for it, but I'm certainly not about to jump on the "they're all a bunch of rag-headed morons" bandwaggon.

Al Qaeda is a group of people with a position I disagree with. The best way to deal with that is to start acting civilized, and then try to convince them to do the same, and then we can sit down and talk about our differences. The only problem with that idea is that there are a bunch of people on our side who want to beat them senseless, either to take their oil or to fulfill some stupid prophecy; and there are no doubt an equal number of knuckleheads on their side with the same thoughts of "But, we can win."

No. You can't. This is an enemy with supporters in the hundreds of millions. We are a society also with numbers in the hundreds of millions. Without a catastrophy that makes WWII look like a picnic, neither side is going to "Win."


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Monday, March 13, 2006 5:30 PM

DC4BS



um...

I'm not gonna argue about who built the "caves", but if it was us then why couldn't we find em and or get into them for so long?

I mean, given we'd have access to the construction plans, etc...

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dc4bs

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:03 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by dc4bs:

um...

I'm not gonna argue about who built the "caves",


IT'S a PERSIAN PLOT!

Quote:


In the early part of the first millennium B.C., Persians started constructing elaborate tunnel systems called qanats for extracting groundwater in the dry mountain basins of present-day Iran (see figure 1). Qanat tunnels were hand-dug, just large enough to fit the person doing the digging. Along the length of a qanat, which can be several kilometers, vertical shafts were sunk at intervals of 20 to 30 meters to remove excavated material and to provide ventilation and access for repairs. The main qanat tunnel sloped gently down from pre-mountainous alluvial fans to an outlet at a village. From there, canals would distribute water to fields for irrigation. These amazing structures allowed Persian farmers to succeed despite long dry periods when there was no surface water to be had. Many qanats are still in use stretching from China on the east to Morocco on the west, and even to the Americas.



Damn them for what they have done. And damn their finely woven rugs and tasty, yet overpriced coffee.

H

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:39 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

I'm not gonna argue about who built the "caves", but if it was us then why couldn't we find em and or get into them for so long?


We can't find Bin Laden, hadn't heard that we had trouble finding them. I got the info from a presentation on the Senate floor, I don't remember who was speaking, but no one gainsaid the idea.

Quote:

I mean, given we'd have access to the construction plans, etc...


I'm sure we do. I think Bin Laden's not there anyway.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:28 AM

WHOME


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:


It did not publish the names, at the CIA's request. Many of the agents are believed to be covert. The paper also located two dozen "secret" facilities.



Next time someone cmoplains about the Big Bad Media, I'd like to point them to this. "See, the reporters aren't all out to get you. They're not trying to destroy the country, or advance an insidious agenda. If they were, they'd have published the names!"

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:35 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


It's not so much that they outed Valerie Plame, (which was bad enough), but that they also outed Brewster Jennings & Associates. This was a front company for intelligence. Anyone associated with the company was a marked person from that time on.

You may quibble over one individual, but Cheney et al blew an entire operation.


Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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