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Originally posted by thiefjehat:

The point being, little changes in 15 years. 1982 to 1997.

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Star Trek's 21st century future is actually pretty dark, with hundreds of millions of people dying in WW3 and society pretty much falling apart. Things got better only after we made first contact in 2063.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
What's you realistic guess as to what our economy, state of military engagement, and level of basic freedom will be by the beginning of the third decade of the 21st Century?

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Originally posted by Hero:
The tragedies of the terrorist nuking of Paris, the LA earthquake, and 'American Idol: The Motion Picture' are all behind us.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
What's you realistic guess as to what our economy, state of military engagement, and level of basic freedom will be by the beginning of the third decade of the 21st Century?

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...The SciFi Channel is in its tenth season as America's number 1 network and Serenity VII:'Ok, you can stop flying now.' is number 1 in theaters.

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Originally posted by KuangZheDe:
it has been proficised by such historical characters of note as Rasputin and Nostradamus.

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Science fiction has fortold scenerios of broad Third-Worldism across the planet, loss of civil liberties, and self destruction.

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Science fiction has fortold scenerios of broad Third-Worldism across the planet, loss of civil liberties, and self destruction.

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-Foretold
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Originally posted by nuclearday:
Also, I may be wrong, but I remember hearing somewhere that the... (Mayan?) calender ends in the year 2020, which is supposed to be rather important as it's like the most accurate calender ever or something. I think we're supposed to enter the next cycle or something like that.

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The end of the 13th baktun is conjectured to have been of great significance to the Maya, but does not mark the end of the world. According to the Popol Vuh, a sacred book of the Maya, we are living in the fourth world. The Popol Vuh describes the first three creations that the gods failed in making and the creation of the successful fourth world where men were placed. The Maya believed that the fourth world would end in catastrophe and the fifth and final world would be created that would signal the end of mankind.

The last creation ended on a long count of 13.0.0.0.0. Another 13.0.0.0.0 will occur on December 21, 2012, and it has been discussed in many New Age articles and books that this will be the end of this creation or something else entirely. However, the Maya abbreviated their long counts to just the last five vigesimal places. There were an infinitely larger number of units that were usually not shown. When the larger units were shown (notably on a monument from Coba), the end of the last creation is expressed as 13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.0.0.0.0, where the units are obviously supposed to be 13s in all larger places. In this age we are only approaching 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.13.0.0.0.0, and the larger places are nowhere near the 13s that would match the end of the last creation. (Schele and Friedel 1990: 430)

This is confirmed by a date from Palenque, which projects forward in time to 1.0.0.0.0.0, which will occur on 13 October, 4772. The Classic Period Maya obviously did not believe that the end of this age would occur in 2012. According to the Maya, there will be a baktun ending in 2012, a significant event being the end of a 13th 400 year period, but not the end of the world.

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Originally posted by citizen:
Monolithic corporate monopolies worry me more.

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I tell ya, if it weren't for socialists there'd be no third world! Everyone would be rich and prosperous!

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Greed == Good. Top 1% == Greedy, they horde the lot and that leaks down to the lower levels through capitalist magic.

Greed will save us all

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It's feudalism for the digital age baby.

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Originally posted by mattcoz:
Star Trek's 21st century future is actually pretty dark, with hundreds of millions of people dying in WW3 and society pretty much falling apart. Things got better only after we made first contact in 2063.

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Originally posted by reaverman:

I've hated Star Trek's unrealism for years.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I guess i'm in the same frame of mind that Mal is, so disgusted by humanity and it's messed up societies that i just want to be nice and far away from them so i can set my own path.

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Originally posted by FriendFirma:
In short, i want OFF this stupid little rock, preferably before the forces of mother nature choose to balance the equation by removing us from it.

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Of course, that mindset is why no government EVER wants space travel or self-sufficient colonies out in the black, cause the very first thing they would do is rebel - and movies aside, it's not logistically or financially possible to suppress an insurrection when you have to spend the resources to lift every ounce of men and material out of one gravity well and drop it into another.

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Originally posted by ChrisIsAll:
Digital Age Feudalism

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Originally posted by citizen:

Your account has been... debited... 50... pence... thank you for shopping Citizen Responce Concepts.

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