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...and our borders and ports are still
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Originally posted by STDOUBT:
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...and our borders and ports are still
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There have been no attacks since 9/11. While securing the ports and borders is an ongoing issue, the failure of the enemy to, as yet, exploit these alleged weaknesses is proof of the effectiveness of the broader strategy in the war on terror.

Its like pulling the goalie in a hockey game. If your opponant can't get a shot off, you don't really need that goalie at all. Sure, its a bad idead to leave the goal unattended, but not that bad.

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It is NOT proof of our border strategy's effectiveness!

When that day comes, we'll see how "wonderful" you think our border strategy is.

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It is NOT proof of our border strategy's effectiveness!

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Lets see. During the American Civil War the Canadian border was completely unguarded. The Confederacy could have marched an army of a million men down from Canada and won the whole thing. Guess that made the entire Northern strategy completely worthless regardless of the fact the circumstances had made such an act impossible and that the South lost the war.

Border and port security are part of the whole thing, like a big machine or 10,000 piece puzzle and as a whole it has been working so far.

Can we improve some parts? Yes. But perhaps a good strategy includes recognizing one's weaknesses and finding ways to carry on despite them or until those weakenesses can be effectively addressed. Thats what Bush has done. Most notably the war is in Iraq, not on America's borders. That situation may not last, but for now thats what's going on.

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Your Civil War analogy is flawed in that, while the Confederate States of America didn't have the capability to come through different borders.

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Lets see. During the American Civil War the Canadian border was completely unguarded.

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Letter by Albert Pike, August 15, 1871

British Museum Library in London
(copied by William Guy Carr
Intelligence Officer, Royal Canadian Navy)

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

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"The true name of Satan is, the Kaballaists say, is that of Yahweh reversed; for Satan is not a black god, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism and Idoltry. For the Initiates, this is not a Person, but a Force, created for good; but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument for Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythological and horned form of the God Pan; hence came the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpant, and the Light-Bearer, or Phosphor of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend."
-General Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, page 102

"The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the 19th Degree, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"
-General Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, page 321

"There is in nature a one most potent force, by means whereof a single man, who could posses himself of it, and should know how to direct it, could revolutionize and change the face of the world. It is a universal agent, whose supreme law is equilibrium; and whereby, if science can but learn how to control it, it can be possible to change the order of the seasons, to produce in night the phenomenon of day, to send a thought in an instant around the world, to heal or slay at a distance, to give our words universal success, and made them reverberate everywhere. The Gnostics held that it was adorned in the secret rites of the Sabbat or the Temple, under the hieroglyphic figure of the Baphomet or the hermaphroditic goat of Mendes."
-General Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, page 734

"All religions issued from the Kabalah and return to it: everything scientific and grand in the dreams of the illuminati is borrow from the Kabalah; all the Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and Symbols. The Kabalah alone consecrates the allegiance of the Universal Reason and Devine Word. The Bible, with all the allegories it contains, expresses, in an incomplete and veiled manner only, the religious science of the Hebrews. Thus was a second Bible born, unknown to, or rather uncomprehended by, the Christians; a collection, they say, of monstrous absurdities; a monument, the adept says, wherein everything that the genius of philosophy and that of religion have ever formed or imagined of the sublime; a treasure surrounded by thorns; a diamond concelaed in a rough dark stone. One is filled with admiration, on penetrating into the Sancuary of the Kabalah, at seeing doctrine so logical, so simple, and at the same time so absolute. The Absolute Deity, with the Kabalists, has no name. The terms applied to Him are the Most Simple Light. For then there was no space or vacant place, but all was infinite Light."
-General Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, page 744-5


Scottish Rite Journal, "I was called a Satanist today," February 2002, Source: Archives of the Supreme Council, S.J., 33°

"Freemasons have long been accused of Satanic practices as seen in the illustration of the Baphomet from Leo Taxil's The Mysteries of Freemasonry, 1897."
-Scottish Rite Journal, "I was called a Satanist today," February 2002
www.srmason-sj.org/web/journal-files/Issues/Feb02/moss.htm

"You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons, and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him. It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations."
-Ronayne Handbook of Masonry, page 183

"I will obey all signs and summons handed to me by a chapter of Masons. I will assist a Mason when I see him engaged in any difficulty whether he be right or wrong. I promise and swear to forever conceal and never reveal any of the secrets of Masons or Masonry under no less penalty than to have my throat cut across from ear to ear, my tongue plucked out by the roots; my heart taken from under my left breast; my body cut across, my bowels taken out; my body dissected into four equal parts to hang and remain a terror to all those who shall presume to violate the sacred obligation of a Mason."
-Initiation oaths for Masons, 1st, 2nd and 3rd Degrees, "Letters on Freemasonry" by US President John Quincy Adams

"Masonry ought forever to be abolished. It is wrong—essentially wrong—a seed of evil, which can never produce any good."
-President John Quincy Adams, founder of the antiMasonic Party, "Letters on Freemasonry", re the Masonic Mafia's ritual murder of Masonic whistleblower Captain Morgan, and Masonic Mafia's treasonous control of all US courts and legislatures
www.texemarrs.com

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In this eleven-foot bronze statue by Italian sculptor Gaetano Trentaove, Pike is presented in civilian dress as a Masonic leader, not as a Confederate General. He carries a copy of his famed but long out of print Morals and Dogma in his left hand. The large granite pedestal below him contains a bronze lady in Greek dress who sits on one level of the pedestal and holds the banner of the Scottish Rite. The statue was listed on the National Register of Historic Places on September 20, 1978, in a National Register nomination of the Civil War Monuments in Washington, D.C. Pike's statue is the only Confederate officer represented among the outdoor Civil War statuary of Washington. Since September, 1992, protesters have held rallies at the Pike statue contending that he was "the chief founder" of the Ku Klux Klan in Arkansas.
www.masonicinfo.com/pikestatue.htm
www.threeworldwars.com/dogma.htm

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"She understands... she doesn't comprehend"
...and our borders and ports are still
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FORGET ABOUT CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ, ONE IS COMING TO AMERICA

By Pastor Chuck Baldwin
NewsWithViews.com
April 11, 2006

While American troops are hunkered down in "safe zones" in Iraq trying to stay out of an escalating civil war, our government seems oblivious to a growing threat of civil war right here in the United States. As anyone can see, millions of illegal aliens living here are becoming more vocal, more demonstrative, more belligerent, and more violence-prone by the day. Unless our government takes deliberate and significant action immediately, America could be in for serious civil unrest real soon.

It is absolutely incredible that our government would tolerate people who are not even legal residents of our country to generate the kind of mass demonstrations and protests that we are witnessing on a daily basis! It is more than incredible; it is outrageous!

According to The Christian Science Monitor (April 10, 2006), immigrants (most of them illegal) are "mobilizing for major 'action.'" Nearly 100 American cities will soon feel the brunt of this "action."

Organizers describe these coming demonstrations as "the biggest social movement of Hispanics since the United Farm Workers of Cesar Chavez." In addition, organizers predict that thousands of Muslims will also join millions of illegal Hispanics on what can only be regarded as an anti-America crusade.

The American people need to understand that the United States is under attack! No, not by Iraq or Iran, but by Mexico! Yes, Martha, you had better believe it. The Mexican government is deliberately and systematically working to destabilize and undermine the very fabric and framework of American society. And President George W. Bush and Senators John McCain and Ted Kennedy (among others) are aiding and abetting this effort.

Right now, much of Latin America is embroiled in a serious takeover by Leftist-Marxists. In all likelihood, Mexico's next leader will be an open Leftist. Vicente Fox has helped create an increased appetite for socialism (not that Mexico ever had a true understanding of freedom and republicanism), and the next Mexican leader is certain to finish the job.

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Today a unique and alternative education system is rapidly emerging in the misty mountains and steamy jungles of the Mexican southeast. Indian children in hundreds of Maya communities throughout the state of Chiapas are attending new “Zapatista” schools.

Schools for Chiapas / Escuelas para Chiapas
1631 Dale Street
San Diego, CA 92102 USA
(619) 232-2841
schoolsforchiapas@schoolsforchiapas.org
www.schoolsforchiapas.org

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However, Fox has done more than turn his own country leftward. He has superintended over the biggest invasion of the United States in our country's history. That's right, invasion! A close, personal friendship with President George W. Bush has given Fox the opportunity to purposely allow (or even send) millions of criminals, thugs, anarchists, and potential terrorists to swarm over our southern border in breathtaking numbers. (As I have chronicled before in this column, nearly half of all illegal aliens currently living in the U.S. came here since Bush became president in 2000.)

Yet, while Mexican President Fox encourages and even promotes massive illegal immigration to the U.S., his own country's constitution in Chapter 3, Article 33, states, "The Executive of the Union has the exclusive right to expel from the national territory, immediately and without necessity of judicial proceedings, all foreigners whose stay it judges inconvenient. Foreigners may not, in any manner, involve themselves in the political affairs of the country." Imagine that.

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US FLAGS BANNED IN USA

Dozens of high school students protested a temporary school policy forbidding students from displaying the U.S. flag as well as flags from other countries amid racial tensions following immigration rallies.

"When it involves the American flag and its abuse in vilifying other people, we simply will not tolerate it," Stumpf said. "They were using the symbol derisively as misguided patriotism."

Students were warned about the policy Friday and several were suspended, although Stumpf would not provide details. Then, about 100 students protested during lunch time.

Student Dustin Carlson told Denver station KCNC-TV that he was suspended for two days.

"I'm getting suspended for it and personally I think that's uncalled for," he said. "If this country means freedom, then why can't we fly our own flag? It's ridiculous."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1793734

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Even without the massive demonstrations by millions of foreign invaders, America is reeling from the negative effects that these people have created. In an open letter to President Bush, Ron Maxwell (writer and director of "Gettysburg" and "Gods and Generals") wrote, "Where was the concern for American schoolchildren forced to sit in overcrowded classes, for American patients forced to wait in overcrowded hospitals, for American workers whose wages are being undercut, for American drivers forced to sit in interminable traffic jams in over-whelmed freeway systems, for the victims of organized gangs, for the American college students who are turned away from publicly funded state universities, for many African Americans who are being literally displaced from their neighborhoods while being moved figuratively, once again, to the back of the bus, for those environmentalists and conservationists who want to protect open space and slow down urban sprawl, for the American taxpayers who have had to bear the burden of billions of dollars in increased welfare costs, over-burdened prisons, extra police and security and even, adding insult to injury, for bilingual education?" (Source: The Washington Times, April 6, 2006)

I trust Mr. Maxwell is not holding his breath while he waits for President Bush to respond, because Bush knows the problems his laxity and indifference have created and frankly, my dear, doesn't give a darn!

If anything is going to be done about the illegal alien problem it will be because the American people, conservatives, liberals, moderates, independents, whites, blacks, Hispanics, Jews and Gentiles, young and old, from blue states and red states, from big cities and small farms, Christians and unbelievers stand up and in no uncertain terms demand that the Congress of the United States put a stop to it NOW!

This means making it a crime for any employer to knowingly hire an illegal alien punishable with serious fines and imprisonment for repeat offenses. It means demanding that our federal government seal our borders (especially the southern one) and stop the tide of foreign invasion immediately. If Saudi Arabia can put up a security fence between itself and Iraq (and it is doing just that), we can put one up between us and Mexico! It means to stop underwriting these foreign invaders by not paying for their health care, schooling, and food stamps. It means to stop giving them drivers licenses. It means making certain punishment worse than any potential benefit.

We can either deal with the illegal immigration problem now as described above or we will certainly deal with open civil war in the very near future. The American people better decide right now which it will be, because time is running out for Congress to be able to fix the problem. Once that happens, we won't have to worry about civil war in Iraq, it will happen right here in the United States.

www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin293.htm

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Letter by Albert Pike, August 15, 1871

British Museum Library in London
(copied by William Guy Carr
Intelligence Officer, Royal Canadian Navy)

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

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Okay, I find this amusing. How does some guy in 1871 know the specific layout of world history in the future?

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The word "Nazi" hadn't been invented yet. None of the world wars' outcomes were certain. The world didn't give a damn about the Zionists at that time.

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I must ask, from where in the depths of your crazy, paranoid ass did you pull this?

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P.S. READ A FUCKING HISTORY BOOK!!!

P.S.S. Get some evidence before you post, especially if it's something crazy like it usually is with you. Find something to back up what you say that doesn't rely on the word of folks just as nutty as you!

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Here's a conspiracy theory for you. PirateNews is a neo-con. Think about it.

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My take is that PN used to believe in The System, then got really effed over by it, and swung all the way to the other side.
The truths in his messages gets over run by his mental anguish, and his need to pin it all on certain* scapegoats.
He's Jerry Fletcher (Conspiracy Theory) on acid.

Poor guy.

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