Silver Lining... Nuking the US by GinoBiffaroni

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Geezer,

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Already done at Hanford.

I just wanted to briefly reply to your Hanford post. Slick, there is a massive waste, land, and groundwater remediation project costing $100B+ protecting the Columbia River. Hanford is not a model for idyllic laissez-faire nuclear contamination.

Since I know you know this, I assume you lie on purpose.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 7:45 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

OK Siggy, I sense a mild misunderstanding here. You picked up on the treatment of women issue, and that is indeed important and valid. But that was only one point I made out of a list. Neither religion can claim to be guiltless, we'll agree. To be honest, I've had FAR more harsh words toward the Fundamentalist Christians than Muslims. Or did,...I suspect the tide turned sharply after 9/11. While we'll agree on the HISTORY of both religions, my primary concern deals w/ events in current times. Humanity allows for some really strange variations of behavior through out the world. Mostly in the name of 'religion'. But lets try to be honest. For every Westboro Baptists Church ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25s ) , there's an entire country run by Islamic theocrats. For every occasional doctor murdered by an Christian ' right to lifer ', there's 10's - 100's ? of car/suicide bombers, doing Allah's work on Earth.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 8:18 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

For every suicide bomber, there are two or three innocent civilian victims in Palestine. For every death due to insurgents, there is at one death due to the USA invasion. In doesn't matter to the dead and their families whether the cause is Allah, Yaweh, Jesus, oil, or "freedom". Just because we perpetrate death with less personal involvement- fanaticism, if you will - doesn't make us any less scary to anyyone who is looking down the barrel of our gun.

Believing blindly that "we are right" and justifying death-dealing is doing exactly- exactly - the same as a suicide bomber. Why can't you see that?

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 8:19 AM

ROCKET333

Yeah. The world is nuts. It really stinks to be an amercian. It stinks because Well, I am being screwed by my govermaent, and plus thanks to my goverment, I could get a bomb dropped on my head. Really, I would like to move to Austraila. See, if I had the money I would move to another country. But, who knows where its safe nowadays. IT is insane that people voted for this guy again. Anway how do we even know if the count was true? Rich people have such a control over the world to live out thier fantasies of power. Even still, THey say that one is just as bad as the other, but I guess you can choose the less of the two evils. Who knows. Well I thinks I'm gonna start diggen a fallout shelter in my backyard.

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 10:06 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Geezer,
Quote:
Already done at Hanford.
I just wanted to briefly reply to your Hanford post. Slick, there is a massive waste, land, and groundwater remediation project costing $100B+ protecting the Columbia River. Hanford is not a model for idyllic laissez-faire nuclear contamination.

Since I know you know this, I assume you lie on purpose.

Nope. Just pointing out that the US has already been nuked, in a manner of speaking, (that being the subject of the thread) and that the wildlife seems to be doing as well there as at Chernobyl. I have never considered radiation contamination a cost-effective means of natural habitat restoration. Maybe biological weapons targeted to humans, though...

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 10:37 AM

Another testing site..... gone tourist destination ?

http://www.bikiniatoll.com/

Hell, reading this site interests me in checking it out.

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:02 AM

and Another ????

Tests
http://www.janeresture.com/christmas_bombs/
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Dominic.html

Tourism
http://www.christmas.net.au/introduction.html

Is weapons testing less destructive than Nuclear power ?

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:10 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Slick,

There's no surface contamination in the US (yet) - that's the difference between Chernobyl and Hanford. That's why the wildlife 'appears' to be doing well at Hanford.

And Chernobyl isn't an idyllic laissez-faire radioactive wildlife preserve. First of all, it's not laissez-faire. Many heroic people died or are now walking dead. http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/chernobyl-heroes-a-dying-breed/200
6/04/21/1145344280312.html They are the ones who dumped boron, put out the fires, built and maintained the containment, monitored and monitor for radiation spikes, and run in from time to time to dump - by hand - gadolinium down the hole to kill fission. Contamination of the Prypyat River via groundwater is a major concern. The BBC wildlife report on Chernobyl is more measured and far less reassuring. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4923342.stm

You can't equate Hanford with Chernobyl. And you can't call Chernobyl a pristine nature preserve.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:14 PM

KHYRON

This doesn't really contribute anything to the debate, but I think it's interesting nonetheless:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/06/in_pictures_c
hernobyl_zone_residents/html/1.stm

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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SignyM wrote:
Sunday, April 23, 2006 08:18
For every suicide bomber, there are two or three innocent civilian victims in Palestine. For every death due to insurgents, there is at one death due to the USA invasion. In doesn't matter to the dead and their families whether the cause is Allah, Yaweh, Jesus, oil, or "freedom". Just because we perpetrate death with less personal involvement- fanaticism, if you will - doesn't make us any less scary to anyyone who is looking down the barrel of our gun.

Believing blindly that "we are right" and justifying death-dealing is doing exactly- exactly - the same as a suicide bomber. Why can't you see that?

Siggy, now you're just making stuff up. On Good Friday in Alexandria, Egypt, a knife wielding Muslim man attacked worshippers in 2 Coptic Churches, killing 1 and injuring 15 more. He was yelling ' There no God but Allah, Allah is great ' all the while. If you took 1/2 a momment to look at all the events of Islamic terrorism around the world that DON'T involve Israel or Iraq, you couldn't come to any other conclusion that the 2 things are NOT 'exactly right'.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:36 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
You can't equate Hanford with Chernobyl. And you can't call Chernobyl a pristine nature preserve.

I think you have me confused with Gino, who, in the lead post of this thread, suggested Chernobyl-style contamination "Might just save the enviroment", and quoted Aljazerra as saying:

"The radioactive no-go zone around Chernobyl has become a rich natural reserve in the 20 years since the accident at the nuclear power plant, with eagles hovering in the air, and lynx, wolves and wild horses wandering around."

I did think it was interesting that these two areas of nuclear pollution were now considered wildlife habitats, but certainly don't propose that as a model for the future. That was Gino. So if you want to rag on someone about it, rag on him.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:40 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/money_politics_law/cheating_chernoby
l.htm

This doesn't address the thread either, but it was fascinating:

Alexander Yuvchenko was on duty at Chernobyl's reactor number 4 the night it exploded on 26 April 1986. He is one of the few working there that night to have survived. He suffered serious burns and went through many operations to save his life, and he is still ill from the radiation.

How did you end up working at Chernobyl?

I chose it. It was one of the best stations in the Soviet Union, it was a good town to live in, and I had been there for practical work as part of my studies. And it was a good wage. Being a nuclear engineer was a prestigious career - in those days. Nowadays people in Russia prefer to be businessmen and lawyers.

What were you doing the night the reactor exploded?

I was on the night shift. When I turned up I found out that the safety test that had been planned for the day had been put off until the evening. The reactor had already been powered down and so we would just be overseeing its cooling, which is a very easy job. I was thinking that I wouldn't have much to do that night.

What were you doing when you heard the explosion?

I was in my office, talking to a colleague who had come in to ask for some paint, and reading some documents.

What happened?

The first thing I heard wasn't an explosion, it was a thud, a shaking. Then two or three seconds later came the explosion. The doors of my office were blown out. It was like when an old building is demolished, with clouds of dust, but combined with lots of steam. It was a very damp, dusty, powerful movement of air. There was a lot of shaking, a lot of things were falling. The lights went off. Our first thought was to find somewhere we could safely hide. We headed towards the transport corridor, where there was a small passage with a low ceiling. We were standing there and everything was falling around us.

What did you think it was?

When I heard the thud I thought it was something very heavy that had fallen. After that I didn't know. I thought that maybe war had begun.

Did you imagine that it might be the reactor?

I couldn't imagine it was something to do with the reactor. Before it happened there were no vibrations, no sounds, nothing to indicate there was something wrong. We were trained for various emergency situations. We were engineers, and we were trained in what the reactors could or could not do and what could go wrong. We were prepared for fire and other things, but we were not trained for this. We all thought the safety measures were reliable, that if you pressed the emergency stop button to lower the control rods into the reactor - which is what my friend Leonid Toptunov in the control room did that night - that it would stop the power as it was supposed to. But it didn't. People make mistakes, but we thought the safety measures would compensate for that. We believed what we were told in the work manual.

What did you do after the explosion?

I went back to my office and tried to ring the control room for reactor number 4 to find out what had happened, but there was no line. Suddenly the phone from control room number 3 rang. I got a command to bring stretchers. I grabbed the stretchers and ran. Outside the control room I met a friend who had been close to the centre of the explosion. I didn't recognise him. His clothes were black and his face was disfigured because he had been covered in scalding water. I only recognised him by his voice. He told me to go to the site of the explosion because there were others injured. This friend was being tended by others, so I got a torch and ran to find the other operator who had been near the huge coolant tanks.

What did you find?

I got to where I expected to find this person but I couldn't find anything, there was a huge mess. I found him on the other side, he had managed to crawl away. It was the same picture: he was wet, dirty, with serious scalding burns. He was standing up but was in an extremely shocked state, shaking. He told me I had to go to where the main blast happened, which was where my friend Valera Khodemchuk was. This guy couldn't see it, but there was nothing there in that direction, it was just empty space.

What happened then?

At this point I saw Yuri Tregub, who had been sent from control room number 4 by Anayoly Deatlov, Chernobyl's deputy chief engineer, to manually turn on the emergency high-pressure coolant water to flood the area. Realising that he wouldn't be able to do this on his own, I told my friend where to go to get help and I went with Tregub to turn on the water.

Did you succeed?

We weren't able to get to the taps. The coolant tanks were in a hall close to the reactor. There were two doors in. We couldn't get in the first because the walls had collapsed, so we went down a couple of floors to the other door. We were in water up to our knees. We couldn't open the door but we could see a little through it, and all we could see were ruins. The huge water containers had been blown apart. There was just a wall and a door left. We were looking into open space.

Literally?

To get a clearer idea of what had happened we walked outside. What we saw was terrifying. Everything that could be destroyed had been. The entire water coolant system was gone. The right-hand side of the reactor hall had been completely destroyed, and on the left the pipes were just hanging. That was when I realised that Khodemchuk was definitely dead. The place where I was told he'd been standing was in ruins. The huge turbines were still standing, but everything around them was rubble. He must have been buried under that. From where I stood I could see a huge beam of projected light flooding up into infinity from the reactor. It was like a laser light, caused by the ionisation of the air. It was light-bluish, and it was very beautiful. I watched it for several seconds. If I'd stood there for just a few minutes I would probably have died on the spot because of gamma rays and neutrons and everything else that was spewing out. But Tregub yanked me around the corner to get me out the way. He was older and more experienced.

What did you do then?

We started to make our way to control room number 4, but on the way we met three workers who had been ordered by Deatlov to go to the reactor hall and lower the control rods manually. Tregub ran back to the control room to report what we'd seen, and I went with these three to help them. I told them that the order they had been given was senseless because there was no reactor hall anymore and it was highly unlikely there were any control rods. But they said I had only seen it from the lower level and they had to see it for themselves from the upper level.

Did you realise how dangerous that was?

Yes, we did.

What happened when you got back to the reactor hall?

We climbed up to a ledge but there was very little room. Because I had come up the stairs last I stayed behind propping open the door. They took the torch from me and went in. I stood there listening to their reaction to what they saw, which looked like a volcano crater. They said there was nothing they could do, they had to get out.

What happened to those three?

All three of them died very soon afterwards. That wall and the door basically saved my life. I received quite a high dose propping open the door. We had done everything we could. That was the worst feeling: that there was nothing else we could do.

At what point did you start to feel ill?

About 3 am, one-and-a-half hours after the explosion.

How did you feel?

I began to feel sick. I knew one of the first symptoms of radiation illness was vomiting, but I was thinking, have I eaten something? I was trying to keep the worst thoughts at bay. Half an hour after the explosion I had met a man with a dosimeter, he was fully covered so I don't know who it was, and I asked him what the reading was. He showed me the counter, which was off the scale. That was a frightening moment. It was impossible to say how much radiation we were taking in, but I knew it was a large dose. I was taken to the local hospital at about 5 am because I was too weak to walk. I was taken to Moscow that evening.

Did you think you would die?

The most frightening thing was to lie there and hear how one after another the others were dying. I was thinking, when will it be my turn? I'm not a religious believer and I don't know any prayers, but I did pray every evening that I would wake up the next morning.

How did they treat you?

It was a very intensive and demanding treatment and you had to be very strong to withstand it. I had continuous blood and plasma transfusions. For a few months I lived on other people's blood. Then the ulcers from the radiation burns started to appear. I had a lot of burns. Only after a couple of months did it become clear that there was a chance I might live. At that point my body started to work on its own again. I didn't need transfusions. But I was on a continuous morphine drip. My wife Natasha says I had lost a lot of weight and looked like a dying man. She says I spoke very slowly and quietly, but that I always retained a clarity of mind. I understood what was going on.

What kept you going?

I was treated properly. And I was naturally strong and healthy - I was young, 24 at the time.

Are you still suffering physically?

I have to have skin grafts constantly. I still get ulcers. Without the burns it wouldn't be so bad.

How do people in Russia treat you?

I try not to talk about it. I don't want people to know about it. I have been given two medals, an order of honour for my actions that night and a medal 10 years afterwards, but everybody got one of those. I try to get on with my everyday life. My neighbours don't know who I am. There is a stigma attached to it.

Have you been back to Chernobyl?

Once, when they shut it down in December 2000. I was invited as a special guest. I wandered around the third reactor block, which is an exact copy of the one that blew up. I didn't feel too good. My knees were wobbling when I stood on top of the reactor.

What do you think about nuclear power?

I'm fine about it, as long as safety is put head and shoulders above any other concern, financial or whatever. If you keep safety as your number one priority at all stages of planning and running a plant, it should be okay.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:43 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Slick, Gino posted "Might just save the enviroment" and you replied "Already done at Hanford".

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 3:21 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by rue:
Slick, Gino posted "Might just save the enviroment" and you replied "Already done at Hanford".

No. I was responding to "Silver lining...Nuking the US". Maybe your mind-reading powers need a warmup. See if you can discern where I think you should stick your attitude.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:01 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Slick, Gino posted "Might just save the enviroment" and you replied "Already done at Hanford".

I did post this as Geezer said, between that article, and the two I posted here on reclaimed Nuclear weapons testing sites ( Bikini atoll and Christmas Island ) it seems to me that twenty years after Baltimore ( or where-ever ) get blown up... Nature will adapt and recover.

The silver lining, the bright side...

It won't be the end of the world like most think, but a bad that will eventually go away... and the recovery will be quicker than New Orleans hurricane damage.

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 7:08 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The way I see it, densely-populated humans depend on a highly-integrated technological society just to survive. Interrupt something simple as sewage treatment or trash pickup or wire transfers and the whole system collapses with attendant population collapse. Animals? Not so much. They live at a very primitive level.

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Monday, April 24, 2006 3:32 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by rue:
Half an hour after the explosion I had met a man with a dosimeter, he was fully covered so I don't know who it was, and I asked him what the reading was. He showed me the counter, which was off the scale. That was a frightening moment.

That is one of the most unsettling things I've read recently.
In Keannuspeak: Whoahhh.

Chrisisall

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Monday, April 24, 2006 4:02 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I finally had a chance to read the whole interview through. It made me shudder. I understand that a consortium will be building a new containment building- a 300-ft building in the shape of a Quonset hut that will be made several miles from the reactor site (too radioactive to work nearby) and slid into place on rails. It will cover Reactor 4, the control room, the Sarcophagus... everything. What a mess. From what I've read, the rooms below the reactor are filled with a fused mixture of fuel rods, concrete, and steel. everyhting melted together in the intense heat and slagged the rooms below. I'm not sure if anyone really knows what's down there. I would imagine that the radiation would cause even radiation-hardened remote cameras to go haywire.

As I understand it, the reactor controls- including the control rods- ran on power from the turbines that were powered by the reactor itself. Some time during power-down the reaction went crazy (the reason I heard was that it was an ad hoc experiment in controlling the reactor during power-down) but there wasn't enough juice in the spinning-down turbine to slam down the control rods. If anyone heard anything different I'd be glad to know.

Also, there are areas that are still highly radioactive, including an area just west of the reactor called the Red Forest which received the initial dump of radionuclides. It's called the Red Forest because of the unusula color of the )dead) pine needles.

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Monday, April 24, 2006 4:18 AM

CHRISISALL

Hey Signy, what's you favourite season of Buffy?
(I know, I know, but I never see you on ANY OTHER BOARD!!!!!)

So

me.

Entirely off topic Chrisisall

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Monday, April 24, 2006 4:42 AM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
In your world, up is down and black is white.

Even if that were true, I wouldn't trust you, nor the people who tell you what too think if you told me the sky was up and coloured blue.

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It's truly amazing you talk about stuff (e.g. - the kkk ) which you know NOTHING.

No no no. This is my line; you're messing up your cues and stumbling over other peoples lines again. You see in this scene your motivation is to be an arse, and too assume you know what all Muslims think, based on never actually meeting one, just what some fascist hate mongers say. See, right here in the script:
Citizen: It's truly amazing you talk about stuff about which you know nothing.
AURaptor: True, but if I only spoke on subjects that I had some knowledge of I'd be mute.
Citizen: You have a point.

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Muslims have killed more in the last 6 months than the entire HISTORY of KKK, and yet you want to put both on equal standing.

This is such a stupid thing to say it's barely worth refuting. Not only are you very likely wrong, what with the clan killing thousands and all, you're comparing a single organisation to all Muslims.

You're insinuating all Muslims think the same, have the same goals and outlooks, like some giant gestalt terror entity. Man have you been at PirateNews's happy pills or WHAT?

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Don't know if you're gay or not and frankly don't care. It's funny to see how you can't take a joke, though. Typical.

Hey hey hey, I twist the joke around on you and ya get all defensive and crotchety. Which one of us can't take a joke now?

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As I said, wanna come to Atlanta ? C'mon down. Keep in touch.

I already told you, I AM coming to Atlanta. I'll be there from the 31 of August till the 5th of September. Flights are booked.

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Hey, he made the offer first. If I do anything less than offer some hospitality, he'll of course roll out a string of insults and pejoratives suggesting I'm not "man enough" to face him. I most certainly am. While I'd much rather agree to disagree and buy the guy a pint, I'm guessing he's not up for that. Who knows, I could be wrong. It's happened before.

Hey now, you said you wanted to shut me up by sticking a sock down my throat, knowing you live in Atlanta I merely pointed out that you had the opportunity if you wanted to try, that's all. I don't think I've actually threatened you yet, have I?

A pint sounds good though, ‘specially if you’re buying, as long as it is a pint, not interested in those stupid continental Europe affairs with some wine glass filled with a thimble of disgusting French larger. Bloody French.

I’ve seen those silly little glass you Americans have beer in, seriously what is up with that?

The only people who do Beer properly in mainland Europe are the Germans, Maß beers of proper Bavarian Larger or Weissbier. They use litres and don't have real pubs but we can let them off the small stuff.

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Siggy, now you're just making stuff up. On Good Friday in Alexandria, Egypt, a knife wielding Muslim man attacked worshippers in 2 Coptic Churches, killing 1 and injuring 15 more.

So it's okay to include a single nutter who kills 1, but not an entire organisation that has killed thousands because they're "small time". Come on now, you MUST have been at PirateNews's happy pills. I'm sorry AU but you should never ever take someone else’s prescription medication. It's very dangerous.

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If you took 1/2 a momment to look at all the events of Islamic terrorism around the world that DON'T involve Israel or Iraq, you couldn't come to any other conclusion that the 2 things are NOT 'exactly right'.

You don't actually realise how many Muslims there are in the world do you? 1.2 Billion. If you're too be believed that's 1.2Billion happy little terrorists who hate freedom and puppies, and wants to blow us all up.

Well frankly my dear if we've got 1.2Billion fanatical terrorists many of whom are already living among us and think with one mind with their gestalt terrorist mind control, we're fucked. That's right, proper fucked. The war on terror is fucked. I'm fucked your fucked we're all proper fucked. Get the picture? If you're right we've got two choices, convert to Islam and get our happy little terrorist mind control chip installed, or die.

So, are we fucked or am I right and it is the minority of Muslims? Afraid you can't have it both ways.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

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Monday, April 24, 2006 4:57 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:

Citizen: It's truly amazing you talk about stuff about which you know nothing.
AURaptor: True, but if I only spoke on subjects that I had some knowledge of I'd be mute.
Citizen: You have a point.

LOLROTf**kingF!!!!

*wipes tears* Good one, C.
I owe ya a litre for the laugh.

Chrisisall

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Monday, April 24, 2006 5:52 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Siggy, now you're just making stuff up.

No, actually, I'm not. Here's the proof of the 2-3:1 ratio of Palestinian to israeli deaths.

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From Sept. 29, 2000 to April 19, 2006: Israeli Dead: 1010
Palestinian Dead: 3872

Look here for a chart www.mepc.org/resources/mrates.asp
As far as Iraqi deaths, the current total of documented individual civilian deaths since the invasion range from 33,679 to 37,795. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq About 7300 were due to the USA during the invasion period itself. USA-caused deaths have continued since the "end of major combat operations", totaling about 10,000. Since then sectarian violence has increased, but so has crime, so it is difficult to parse out how many civilian deaths are due to Sunnis killing Shiites (and vice versa) and how many are due to robberies, kidnappings gone wrong etc. Assuming that MOST of the remaining deaths are due to sectarian violence (I'm assuming that 80% of the reaminder are due to sectarian violence and 80% of that is due to Sunnis... don't forget, it's not just Sunnis doing the killing) that makes the USA and Sunni counts about equal.

www.iraqbodycount.net/press/pr13.php

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If you took 1/2 a momment to look at all the events of Islamic terrorism around the world that DON'T involve Israel or Iraq, you couldn't come to any other conclusion that the 2 things are NOT 'exactly right'.

Call me stupid- it's OK it's been done b4- but... what? What do you mean by "not exactly right"?
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Monday, April 24, 2006 6:03 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Hey Signy, what's you favourite season of Buffy? (I know, I know, but I never see you on ANY OTHER BOARD!!!!!)

That's because I LIVE here, Chrisisall! You see, I'm not a real person, I'm an inet bot. A really complex one, but just a bot. heh heh heh

Here is my other home http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=109
I'm not going to challenge you to find me.... this bot changes colors like a chameleon... but you won't find anyone under the name of SignyM.

But to answer your question- this bot didn't like Buffy. This bot liked Angel better.
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Monday, April 24, 2006 7:51 AM

KHYRON

And some more pics that have to do with Chernobyl (nobody can accuse the BBC of being lazy regarding the Chernobyl issue):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/in_pictures_inside_th
e_belarussian_zone/html/1.stm

And some more stuff:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/guides/456900/456957/html/nn1pag
e1.stm

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

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Monday, April 24, 2006 5:25 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I finally had a chance to read the whole interview through. It made me shudder. I understand that a consortium will be building a new containment building- a 300-ft building in the shape of a Quonset hut that will be made several miles from the reactor site (too radioactive to work nearby) and slid into place on rails. It will cover Reactor 4, the control room, the Sarcophagus... everything. What a mess. From what I've read, the rooms below the reactor are filled with a fused mixture of fuel rods, concrete, and steel. everyhting melted together in the intense heat and slagged the rooms below. I'm not sure if anyone really knows what's down there. I would imagine that the radiation would cause even radiation-hardened remote cameras to go haywire.

As I understand it, the reactor controls- including the control rods- ran on power from the turbines that were powered by the reactor itself. Some time during power-down the reaction went crazy (the reason I heard was that it was an ad hoc experiment in controlling the reactor during power-down) but there wasn't enough juice in the spinning-down turbine to slam down the control rods. If anyone heard anything different I'd be glad to know.

Also, there are areas that are still highly radioactive, including an area just west of the reactor called the Red Forest which received the initial dump of radionuclides. It's called the Red Forest because of the unusula color of the )dead) pine needles.

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I read that they have cleaned up " the red forest "... burned the trees off and bulldozed the area taking the topsoil with them or something...

Anyway from the original Al Jazzera post

" Some areas were so soaked with radioactivity that they had to be razed, such as a pine forest that became known as the Red Forest for the levels of radiation registered there.

Over the next six years, nature slowly recovered, Alexakhin said.

Maria Semenyuk is among about
350 settlers in the zone
Today it is coming back.

Serhiy Franchuk, a guide for the Chernobylinterinform - the state enterprise that provides the obligatory guides for all visitors - says that the pines planted in place of the Red Forest are thriving. "

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9F35685C-26F0-4C37-9258-EA65685
74793.htm

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

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Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:41 AM