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Originally posted by rue:
ChrisIsAll,
"There is the notion that if you don't use your weapon, someone else will..."

That's what I've been taught. If you wave a gun around you must assume that if the other person has a gun, they will shoot you. Therefore, you must shoot first rather than take the chance that you've targeted yourself for gunfire.

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Originally posted by rue:
If I had amped it up to serious damage, then I had the sense I would been fighting for my life. You have to use your judgement.

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PIRATENEWS SAID:

"Read the communist Manifesto to see that victim dissarmament zones and abolition of the death penalty are designed to ESCALATE violence"

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O.K. so I've got a copy of the Communist Manifesto right in front of me now (which you must have read to have made that statement right? So don't tell me I'm a commie for having one).
Kindly point out to me the passage to which the above statement refers (just so you can prove yourself right). It must be in there otherwise you would'nt have said it right?

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"Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels."
-Communist Manifesto, 4th Plank
(Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).)
ARE Americans practicing Communism?
www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

"Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about glasnost’ (Ed. Note: "openness") and perestroika (Ed. Note: "restructuring") and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption. There will be NO significant internal changes in the Soviet Union [i.e., Russia], other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to DISARM the Americans and let them fall asleep.
-Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev (former KGB chief and Soviet leader arrested for stealing $3.5-Billion; statement made in a speech to the Soviet Politburo in November 1987)

(Ed. Note: Gorbachev (former KGB) was "promoted" from being head of the Soviet Union to being a high-paid consultant on the dismantling of U.S. military bases. Two other former KGB/FSB (the Soviet/Russian secret police) chiefs (Yevgeny Primakov and General Karpov) are now in the USA as high-paid consultants to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. What’s wrong with this picture?)

"One of the basic conditions for the victory of socialism is…the disarming of the bourgeoisie (the middle class)."
–Vladimir I. Lenin (1870-1924; Russian revolutionary; leader of the Bolsheviks Communists; former premier of the USSR)

"I am one who believes that as a first step the U.S. should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols and revolvers…no one should have a right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun."
-Professor Dean Morris, former Director of the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration (L.E.A.A.)

"The manufacture of armaments would be prohibited except for those of agreed types and quantities to be used by the U.N. Peace Force and those required to maintain internal order. All other armaments would be destroyed or converted to peaceful purposes."
-Excerpt from State Department Paper 7277

"How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: what would things have been like IF every police operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been UNCERTAIN whether he would return alive? …IF during periods of mass arrests people had NOT simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they HAD NOTHING TO LOSE and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? ...the organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers…and not withstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt."
–Major Alexander Isayevich Solzhenitsyn (Russian author & Nobel Prize recipient who spent 11 years in Soviet slave labor camps)

www.tacklingthetoughtopics.net/Eberhart/eberhart_gun_control_stinks.ht
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Dial 911 and Die: The Shocking Truth about the Police Protection Myth
www.jpfo.org

Operation Vampire Killer 2000
by Police Against the New World Order
Officer Jack McLamb Radio Show
www.JackMcLamb.com
www.theamericanvoice.com

In 1870, there were no laws regulating the possession, purchase, and peaceful carrying of firearms in Britain. Anyone, child or adult, could buy a pistol, load it, and carry it under his coat with no legal consequences. As late as 1920, the law presented no obstacle to an adult without a criminal history purchasing a rifle, shotgun, or pistol, and carrying it concealed upon his person.[1] Yet today, Britain has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the world.

"The Firearms Act of 1920 was a watershed of British firearms control. From its passage, the ownership of firearms ceased to be a right of Englishmen, and instead became a privilege -- one increasingly restricted over the intervening 75 years. Under the direction of the Home Office, police discretion in licensing throughout Britain has made ownership of firearms an increasingly rare event. Why was the Firearms Act of 1920 passed? There are several possible causes for the Firearms Act of 1920, all of which are plausible explanations: concern about criminal misuse of firearms; gun-running to Ireland; increased political violence in the pre-World War I period. Yet examination of the Cabinet papers declassified in 1970, and Cabinet Secretary Thomas Jones' diaries, shows that all of these other concerns were insignificant compared to the fear of Bolshevik revolution. First of all, it is necessary to clearly understand that the absence of firearms controls was not because low crime rates made them unnecessary, but because Britons considered the possession of arms to be a right. The English Bill of Rights (1689) asserted by its passage that the people were "vindicating and asserting their ancient rights and liberties," including the seventh article:

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7. That the subjects which are protestants, may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions, and as allowed by law.

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-FEAR AND LOATHING IN WHITEHALL ENGLAND: BOLSHEVISM AND THE FIREARMS ACT OF 1920
www.claytoncramer.com/firear~1.htm

"United Nations efforts relating to disarmament and demobilization have advanced considerably. It is acknowledged the weapons are political bargaining tools and have significance beyond their function. Restore the power monopoly of the state: Limit access to and usage of arms to legitimate security forces in an environment of respect for human rights and international humanitarian law."
-United Nations Corporation (53 votes by British Commonwealth), SECTION 3 DISARMAMENT AND DEMOBILIZATION, October 2004
www.iss.org.za/pubs/Monographs/No106/Sec3.htm

GOA TV and Live Fire Radio
http://gunownersofamerica.com

The Battle of Athens Tennessee
All-night gun battle and Citizen's Arrests of the entire McMinn County Sheriff Dept for election fraud in 1947
http://geocities.com/redneckelectiondeathmatch

"Those that vote decide nothing, those who count the vote decide everything."
-Uncle Joe Stalin, convicted felon bank robber, genocidal president of Communist Russia

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"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."
-Prince Philip, de facto King of British Empire, married to his incestuous cousin the German Queen of England Elizabeth Sax Coburg Gotha
www.propagandamatrix.com/prince.html

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you lazy illiterate Commie.

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Originally posted by piratenews:
2 judges already ordered that the State of Tennessee must pay all court costs, which includes my $600 invoice for my court reporter, police records and travel costs.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Guns: dangerous things!

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PIRATENEWS SAID:

"Read the communist Manifesto to see that victim dissarmament zones and abolition of the death penalty are designed to ESCALATE violence"

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O.K. so I've got a copy of the Communist Manifesto right in front of me now (which you must have read to have made that statement right? So don't tell me I'm a commie for having one).
Kindly point out to me the passage to which the above statement refers (just so you can prove yourself right). It must be in there otherwise you would'nt have said it right?

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I realize you have never heard of Google, so I'll do your homework for you, you lazy illiterate Commie.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Guns: dangerous things!

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Yeah, weapons commit you to some degree, ironically taking total control out of your hands.
Better to Jackie Chan or Kwai-Chang Cain it and put hands on...

Living in the world of perpetual motion Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Are you happy with a person being executed for being in his own home when a criminal decides to break in and kill him? The victim can’t know what the intent of a criminal who breaks into his or her house is, and the law shouldn’t require him to know what he can’t.

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If I know that’s all he’s after then you might have a point, but criminals rarely break in with a requisition order to assure me that he’s after my VCR. If I mistake him for trying to kill my daughter, I don’t think I should be held responsible for that mistake.

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And don’t I have a right to protect my VCR? If it’s my VCR shouldn’t I have the right to take it back from him in a way that isn’t intended to kill him? Or does the act of breaking into someone’s house necessarily imply that the ownership of my VCR passes to the invader?

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And I don’t think someone should be penalized for protecting his property.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Citizen, what do you think of these scenarios?

A)I wake up to a noise and go downstairs to find two men stealing stuff. I say in a very manly, Terminator-like voice "Get out." They run, still holding some stuff, and I don't follow.

B)I wake up to a noise and go downstairs to find two men stealing stuff. I say in a very manly, Terminator-like voice "Get out." They drop what they're holding and rush me. I smash a lamp in one's face, and as I get grabbed by the other, I reach around and pinch his throat, Drunken-style. Maybe one dies, I dunno, because I'll leave it there...
Did I do wrong?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I try to ignore PN. Arguing only encourages him.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
On the other hand, I'll take my one chance in ten, thank you very much, rather than leave the entire matter in someone else's hands... someone else who is burglarizing my house.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:


I do not think that size and strength of an attacker should play into the force of your defense.

While I am not a martial artist, I have heard enough of them give the same tired old speech.

Namely, that your size and strength are unimportant. A 90 pound 5 foot weakling can take apart a 7 foot 300 pound individual with the right training.

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Originally posted by citizen:

I see nothing particularly wrong with either scenario apart from that, except pinching the guys throat, you should palm strike to the face to tip the head back and expose the neck, then shaolin punched to the throat.

Much more satisfying.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Wing Chun would have me combine both moves in one motion, as if favours directness and not wasting time, however, a throat strike in a moment of violence would probably bring about the same result: the inability for the guy to breathe.

Ahh, I'm playing Devil's advocate here, avoiding violence is most always the way to go.

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Originally posted by citizen:
Ahh I see. Yeah I know those sequences. Basis for part of the Sum Chein, don't know if you have that in your style?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I'm not sure where I said I had two guns, or that I would leap in like Yosemite Sam and blaze away, filling the air with lead. If you can find any of my statements that demonstrate a lack of caution or care, I'd appreciate it. What I HAVE said is that I'd rather have a gun than not have one, and that if I feel threatened, I'd like to be able to use lethal force in my defense without being brought up on charges. I am a very safe and sane gun user, thank you very much, and so please leave your stereotypes at home. If I was RAMBO, perhaps I'd feel better about taking chances with my life. I am Anthony Toledo, and not being an invulnerable Action Hero, I will take any actions necessary to defend my life, without a long meditative session on the relative strengths between my attacker and myself.

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I guess I could hope a gunman won't shoot me, won't hit me, or won't wound me seriously. But then, that's the case if I'm armed, too. The difference is, there's a chance I will stop him with MY gun, and that's one more option for survival. Because, you know, if he's shooting at me, and I have no weapon, I've got Nada.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I try to ignore PN. Arguing only encourages him.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
That which we call a lop sau by any other name, would still intercept as well.

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Originally posted by citizen:

There's a quick example of the Sam Chien on the video here:
http://www.namyang.co.uk/martial-arts/kung-fu/shaolin-kung-fu.php

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I'll DEFINITELY need my firearm now. Or just Chrisisall and his Kung Fu.

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By the way... Multiple Armed People? Did this go from a home invasion to a Ninja Death Squad? I'll DEFINITELY need my firearm now. Or just Chrisisall and his Kung Fu.

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