Why can't we be more like Mal? by chrisisall

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Why can't we be more like Mal?

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 07:24
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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:02 AM

He came aboard Serenity and shot Dobson as he began to give orders for departure.
He muttered 'Darn', and kicked the henchman into the engine, then preceeded to tell the next one of his intentions.
He shot the pilot(?) of the ship that killed Book as he was laying out his plan to survive Reaver space...

No 'Arnoldesque' puns at the dead men's expense. No wry smile. In short....
No satisfaction.

Mal clearly takes no pleasure in killing, or seeing others get killed.

Can we not all follow his fine example?

Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:36 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
He muttered 'Darn', and kicked the henchman into the engine...
Can we not all follow his fine example?

Chrisisall

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My God, man. He tortured and killed a wounded prisoner. This couldn't have happened unless he had orders from the very top. The leaders of the Independent government-in-exile should be forced to resign and tried for murder immediately.

"It's all about the Drugs! It's all about the Drugs! It's all about the Drugs!"

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"If Darwin ain't Happy,
Ain't Nobody Happy"

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:42 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Geezer:

My God, man. He tortured and killed a wounded prisoner.

Fair enough, I started it.

1) No torture, physical or otherwise, and Mal wasn't demanding anything of the dude except that he not prove himself to be a direct and imminent threat to Mal's crew.

2) He reluctantly ended that threat (w/no collateral damage).

Hmmph. Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:47 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

What torture? I never saw him torture anybody.

Well, I'm that way, anyway. Or were you reffering to the whole of humanity?

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 6:03 AM

CYBERSNARK

I'm guessing he's talking about Dobson, but note that Mal explicitly told Jayne to just scare him.

Granted, turning someone over to Jayne in the first place is morally questionable, but still, Mal didn't want any blood shed if it could be avoided.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 6:05 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
What torture? I never saw him torture anybody.

Geezer's implying tha Mal is as bad as those who torture prisoners at Gitmo or Abu-Gharib.
I do not hold with that.
And since Mal gives the orders, he's also implying that Mal is not unlike Cheney or Bush, which I think is ridiculous.

Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 6:10 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:

Granted, turning someone over to Jayne in the first place is morally questionable, but still, Mal didn't want any blood shed if it could be avoided.

Now if Jayne had got himself that ear, then Geezer's comparison would hold some water, but there's still the notion that Mal knew Jayne well enough to feel comfortable that no real blood would be spilled.
There's also a difference between questioning someone who tried to kill ya, and a suspect, right?

Nose hairs Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 6:13 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
What torture? I never saw him torture anybody.

Geezer's implying tha Mal is as bad as those who torture prisoners at Gitmo or Abu-Gharib.
I do not hold with that.
And since Mal gives the orders, he's also implying that Mal is not unlike Cheney or Bush, which I think is ridiculous.

Chrisisall

Actually, I was just kidding...kinda riffing on the "Bush is responsible for everything bad." crowd that exists here. Hence the

at the end of the post. I will go back and clarify.

"If Darwin ain't Happy,
Ain't Nobody Happy"

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 6:18 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Geezer:

Actually, I was just kidding...kinda riffing on the "Bush is responsible for everything bad." crowd that exists here.

So Mal is responsible for everything bad in the 'Verse? What, like he causes so much difficulty for the average Alliance citizen? He makes no decisions that do that, save the one to broadband the truth about Reavers, and we know that'll be spun by the best the Alliance has.
Mal is more like....Ralph Nader than Bush.
Well, you know what I mean...

Chrisisall in a frenzy

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 6:55 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
So Mal is responsible for everything bad in the 'Verse?
Chrisisall in a frenzy

Of course not, you silly. Neither is Bush.

When they were handing out a sense of humor did you think they said "sickening tumor" and get out of line?

"Thats a joke, Son"

"If Darwin ain't Happy,
Ain't Nobody Happy"

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:01 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Double post again. Electrons not like Geezer today. Must sacrifice Ram chips.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:06 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
So Mal is responsible for everything bad in the 'Verse?
Chrisisall in a frenzy

Of course not, you silly. Neither is Bush.

Difference is, Mal makes his own decisions, and Bush finds out what his are from his 'advisors' and the peeps that have already done stuff in his name (I think they're called Generals or something).

Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:34 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Double post again. Electrons not like Geezer today. Must sacrifice Ram chips.

You always try to distract me with humour

- Bottom line: Why do you think Mal is a terrorist?

Chrisisall !

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:10 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Um.. cause he IS ?

And in the context of the verse as presented via Firefly/Serenity - that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Terrorism is a tactic, not a country, not a force of people, but merely a tactic - and folks who use it are, well, terrorists.

Hell, the Boston Tea Party was an act of terrorism, to be absolutely blunt about it.

Chasing your little sister with a large plastic spider to make her stay out of your room is 'terrorism' by the book, for cryin out loud.

That's why one finds this whole GWOT thing ludicrous, it's like declaring war on fog, just plain silly.

In effect, we're all terrorists.

So fekkin what.

-Frem

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:22 AM

CHRISISALL

Why, that would mean that the GWOT might include as it's enemy the U.S. and other 'good guy' countries!

I see your point, I doubt certain others will.

Chrisisall, advancing the Global War On Stupidity

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:22 AM

CHRISISALL

And, the Global War On Double-posts

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Actually, I was just kidding...kinda riffing on the "Bush is responsible for everything bad." crowd that exists here.

What crowd is that? Everyone knows that it's Cheney who's responsible for everything bad!

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:05 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
Actually, I was just kidding...kinda riffing on the "Bush is responsible for everything bad." crowd that exists here.
What crowd is that? Everyone knows that it's Cheney who's responsible for everything bad!

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

Isn't it the Queen of England? I thought that PN said....

"If Darwin ain't Happy,
Ain't Nobody Happy"

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:13 PM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?

Agreed Frem...

So, were we FOR Global Terror before 9/11?

Make a name, present it, and see who disagrees.
Who will? That is why it is pointless to announce this agenda and have the admin. poke their chests out.

Was it the National War on Terror after Okla. City. This was just as disturbing for me when this happened. (far less people died, I know) I didn't get a color coded terror alert after that though.

GO CANES!!!

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:14 PM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Um.. cause he IS ?

And in the context of the verse as presented via Firefly/Serenity - that's not necessarily a bad thing.

All we see of the verse is Mal's point of view.

I wonder how we'd all see the West if we only saw it from Osama's view?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:26 PM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Isn't it the Queen of England? I thought that PN said....

I am sick and tired of having to tell my slaves this:

She is the Germany Jewish Queen of England, head of the British-Commie-Nazi-Alien-Jew Super-Conspiracy that is setup to keep PirateNews from fulfilling his destiny as most amazing intelligent and talented Human being ever. The only reason he seems like an untalented psychotic dribbling arse is because of our efforts.

Now if you'll excuse me I have a Jewish-Germany-Commie homosexual orgy to organise, her Britannic majesty is having a celebration and I still haven't found any Virgins for sacrifice. Modern Britain, short on virgins, long on teenage pregnancies, how the hell is a servant of Moleck supposed to make a living exactly?

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:34 PM

SIMONWHO

Why on earth would we want to be like Mal? The guy's a loser!

He has no sense of direction or focus ("the wind blows North, I go North")
He's too chicken to go after the girl he wants.
His income keeps dropping, despite being willing to do almost any job.
He gets over-sentimental about his passengers (keeping River and Simon on board) and over-harsh on those he doesn't know (throwing the guy to the Reavers)
He fought a war, lost and still hasn't gotten over it years later (say it with me: therapy)
He has one outfit and it's all patches and stitched up.
He also suffers from bed hair.

Looo-hooo-hooooooooo-ser!

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:47 PM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?

Ohhh.... the topic!

I am like Mal in at least one way.
I get all fogged up when I see Inara.

If we could just get rid of the whole EGO and GOLD thing that has been spreading around the planet, we might get a lil closer to so-called Mal-like killings.

GO CANES!!!

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:52 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Double post again. Electrons not like Geezer today. Must sacrifice Ram chips.

Since there's no

I gather those RAM chips are in for it.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:53 PM

SAMEERTIA

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:

Granted, turning someone over to Jayne in the first place is morally questionable, but still, Mal didn't want any blood shed if it could be avoided.

Mal can turn me over to Jayne any day of the week! Talk? Heck, I'd even sing!

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Seriously???

'Cause Mal has one thing we ain't got...

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(To be continued!)

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:14 PM

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Though he takes no pleasure in it, he's also a little too kill happy for my liking (in a real world context I mean, in a sci-fi western context it makes perfect sense).
He shot the surrendering pilot of the ship that killed Book, a step too far in the real world.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:35 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh this is too, tooooo easy, i can't help myself!!

Please forgive me....

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I didn't get a color coded terror alert after that though.

I'm waiting for my color-coded lollipop to remind me of what the threat level is today, mmm, extra PAXy, if you please, with a side of the Kool-Aid, too.

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Now if you'll excuse me I have a Jewish-Germany-Commie homosexual orgy to organise

I believe we called that the Weimar Republic.

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He shot the surrendering pilot of the ship that killed Book, a step too far in the real world.

Well, being that Book wasn't likely to reach the same destination as his fellow citizens of Haven, maybe Mal wanted to make sure he had some company on the ride down ?

Bwaahahahahahah

Couldn't resist the straight lines... imma bad, bad man.

-Frem

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Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Because Mal has a clever script-writer, that's why!

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Wish someone was scripting MY life!

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Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:50 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Why on earth would we want to be like Mal? The guy's a loser!

He has no sense of direction or focus ("the wind blows North, I go North")
He's too chicken to go after the girl he wants.
His income keeps dropping, despite being willing to do almost any job.
He gets over-sentimental about his passengers (keeping River and Simon on board) and over-harsh on those he doesn't know (throwing the guy to the Reavers)
He fought a war, lost and still hasn't gotten over it years later (say it with me: therapy)
He has one outfit and it's all patches and stitched up.
He also suffers from bed hair.

Looo-hooo-hooooooooo-ser!

Damn.
All of the above sorta describes me.
Except I don't have passengers.

Bed hair Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:58 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by chronicthehedgehog:

He shot the surrendering pilot of the ship that killed Book, a step too far in the real world.

Me an' Citizen got into a big duke-aroo over this point a while back, and again I must ask (whether they're on a moon in the future, or a desert in RL), what was Mal to do? Tie him up and leave him to die of de-hydration?
Couldn't take him along...no time to watch him, seein' as they needed to leave, PRONTO!
What- let Kaylee give him a two minute lecture on his poor choice of allegiance and hope he switches sides?

From a short list of bad choices, I still think he made the best one.

Am I missing an option?

Ready for the next firestorm Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:17 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

From a short list of bad choices, I still think he made the best one.

Am I missing an option?

How about tying him up, and leaving him for his Alliance cronies to find after he doesn't return to base. Then he can try to explain how he got shot down by a man of the cloth while he is sliding down the Operatives sword.

De-lurking to stir stuff up.

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Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:21 AM

DEEPGIRL187

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Why on earth would we want to be like Mal? The guy's a loser!

He has no sense of direction or focus ("the wind blows North, I go North")
He's too chicken to go after the girl he wants.
His income keeps dropping, despite being willing to do almost any job.
He gets over-sentimental about his passengers (keeping River and Simon on board) and over-harsh on those he doesn't know (throwing the guy to the Reavers)
He fought a war, lost and still hasn't gotten over it years later (say it with me: therapy)
He has one outfit and it's all patches and stitched up.
He also suffers from bed hair.

Looo-hooo-hooooooooo-ser!

Maybe my sarcasm meter is a might off, but wth?

He has no sense of direction or focus - Maybe. But out on the rim, that isn't always a necessity.

He's too chicken to go after the girl he wants. - Inara hasn't been very proactive in that area either.

His income keeps dropping, despite being willing to do almost any job. - The Alliance makes it harder to get decent, well-paying jobs, which means he has to make decisions that keep him from earning a steady income.

He gets over-sentimental about his passengers (keeping River and Simon on board) and over-harsh on those he doesn't know (throwing the guy to the Reavers) - Maybe he was too harsh on that man, but Mal's main priority is to look after his own first. And keeping River and Simon on board is a little thing called compassion. It's a sign you're still human.

He fought a war, lost and still hasn't gotten over it years later (say it with me: therapy) - I'll agree, he could use a few sessions with a shrink, but a war that spans the entire universe has a tendency to stay with a person.

He has one outfit and it's all patches and stitched up. - See comment about income.

He also suffers from bed hair. - Mal's bed hair is cute, thank you very much.

If Mal's a loser, then paste an "L" on my forehead, cause I'm one too.

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Wash: Only if it's someplace with candlelight.

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Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:50 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

How about tying him up, and leaving him for his Alliance cronies to find after he doesn't return to base. Then he can try to explain how he got shot down by a man of the cloth while he is sliding down the Operatives sword.

Nah, it was a hit and run, those that can't run are left behind, so again we have death by de-hydration.
I'd rather be shot.

Not fluffy Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:22 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Seriously,

Seen a lot of people die, but never killed one (except possibly by medical misadventure, and that one time it wasn't me, it was the other dude - I just cleaned up). I have to say I took no pleasure or satisfaction in anyone's death.

But as to all the other stuff about Mal, its' TOO DAMN HARD to be so cussed independent you can't fit into the system anywhere!

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Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:31 AM

CHRISISALL

You sayin' Mal is independent to the point of self-destruction?

Hmmmm.