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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I come here very seldom lately

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Originally posted by SergeantX:

Not much to my request. PN, please give it a break, you've had more than your share of cheap attention. Not that it matters to you, but you've ruined RWE for me. Maybe that was your intention. I come here very seldom lately because any good stuff that does get posted is washed away below your constant waterfall of lurid junk.

SergeantX

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Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist

by H. Michael Sweeney
www.MKZine.com
Spring/Summer 2003

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

www.whale.to/m/disin.html
www.911review.org/Wiki/RulesOfDisinformation.shtml
www.whale.to/b/sweeney.html

Examples & response:
www.proparanoid.net/truth.htm

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Abbie Bernstein:

Do you believe a government can be shamed into or out of what it's doing by the actions of individuals?

Joss Whedon:

The idea was to say that people can make a difference, they can show the wrongs that are being done. They can speak out against them and make people aware of them. They can even create giant scandals. Sometimes they can topple governments. The point is that the truth is always more important than the power structure, and whether you make a dent or not, the fact that you succeeded in trying is a victory.

-Serenity - The Official Visual Companion

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Originally posted by piratenews:

Are you suicidal?

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I too am sick of PN.

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
See, this is what Sergeant was talking about.

I rarely post on RWE, mostly because of people like PN. It starts to get really unpleasant posting an honest opinion when trolls (not just PN) start to shoot you down with incoherent jibberish. Agressive debate is fine and all, but not when it starts to become bogged down with juvenile sniping. As you can see, many of us have had enough of it. If you can't be civilized about posting, find somewhere else to voice your ideas, somewhere that will accept it.

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This is my story...

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I too am sick of PN.

Perhaps if everyone just stops posting when he comes into a discussion - he will give up and go away.

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Originally posted by Ruxton:
Actually, we all don't disagree with PN. Much if not most of what he posts is FACT, easily proven if you follow his links. I actually see some grand humor in his posts.

But of course my posting here will, as always, kill this thread -- so it really doesn't matter.

I'm gone, chillun. Be back in six months or so, perhaps never; unless my prediction for 1 July holds true, in which case you'll hear about it.

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Originally posted by citizen:
I don't think there's even a teensy weensy bit of truth in me being an evil baby killing homosexual Nazi, thanks HK.

PN shouldn't be on these boards, he should be in a hospital where he can get the help he needs and not trying to get Jews and other people he's decided are evil murdered.

I find the idea we should tolerate the mad ravings of an insane psychotic fasicst in our midst objectionable.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
But tolerate such folks is exactly what we need to do in a free society, ya big goof! Lest we become insane psychotic fascists in our zeal to quarentine insane psychotic fascists. God damn, people, PirateNews has got y'all by the tail!

HKCavalier

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Not much to my request. PN, please give it a break, you've had more than your share of cheap attention. Not that it matters to you, but you've ruined RWE for me. Maybe that was your intention. I come here very seldom lately because any good stuff that does get posted is washed away below your constant waterfall of lurid junk.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
But tolerate such folks is exactly what we need to do in a free society, ya big goof! Lest we become insane psychotic fascists in our zeal to quarentine insane psychotic fascists. God damn, people, PirateNews has got y'all by the tail!

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
Oh please you guys need to leave P.N alone for some who claim not to like his postings , they sure do be in his threads with something to say..I think you guys like P.N's post if you didn't you wouldn't constantly make him the focus of your topic

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.No we don't, he does it himself to massage his ego and have a soap box to extend his racist hate.

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There is a seed of truth in what he posts

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objection of most people is the WAY he does it.

I have no great love for the state of Israel but that does'nt mean that all Jews are Satanic genocidal maniacs.
I have no great confidence in modern medicine but that does'nt mean that all doctors are trying to murder me.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
But tolerate such folks is exactly what we need to do in a free society, ya big goof! Lest we become insane psychotic fascists in our zeal to quarentine insane psychotic fascists. God damn, people, PirateNews has got y'all by the tail!

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You're going too far, the logical conclusion to your argument is closing down mental health facilities and prisons, hey if the inmates murder someone their just expressing themselves and this is a free society after all.

There are limits even to freedom of speech, if someone is standing on the corner of a road screaming at everyone telling them Jews are evil and must die and threatening random passersby then frankly they have stepped over the line of what you can reasonably expect anyone to tolerate.

You're not advocating allowing PirateNews his right to free speech, he already has that on his website, you're advocating that in a free society we should all invite him round to tea.

Lest you forget while defending PirateNews's rights: we all have rights to you know.

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I think this is what pisses some people off.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I'm sorta kinda taken aback by the "will of the people" on this thread--reminds me of a past life I lived in Salem, Mass a couple hundred years ago. This is not the place for censorship and ostricization. And why scapegoat such an easy mark? Has he really succeeded in driving folks away? Shame on you for letting his actions control you like that!...

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
you do have a point, has anyone ever asked P.N what he has against Jews and gays, I'm just wondering..

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Trying to silence him makes you look small.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:

And on a totally unrelated tangent: how does one private message someone on this board? Some posts I've read recently imply that such is possible and I have long wanted to correspond with the likes of you and Rue and SignyM more directly than this board affords. You know, how's Mrs. Isall and all the little Isalls doing these days?

HKCavalier

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Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Go to the person's profile page and on the left hand side of the screen you'll see a little area to send them a message. Your message will be sent to the email account they used to sign up to this board. Easy Peasy!

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Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Seems the high and mighty here have decided to jump on the weak-minded to justify their own issues when we all know that deep down inside they are just as bigoted and confused.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:


Chris, what draws you in? What compels you to read him past the first few lines? We all of us internet habituees learn to filter garbage and move on--what is it about PN's rants that won't let you do that?

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