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Will it come to Mainland American shores? WWI and WWII didn't.

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Auraptor

Sure, but not in a major way. Regardless of which conspiracy theory you buy on who perpetrated 9-11, you have to admit that it happened in US so to the same extent as peal harbor, there was an attack, and some other attempts, against the united states, which are arguable part of the larger christ-mohammed war, WWIII. But what I meant is, it shouldn't have to wait until there are trenches in the cornfields of iowa for it to be WWIII.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
SAY, YOU DON'T SUPPOSE THAT'S WHAT MIDDLE EASTERNERS MIGHT BE REACTING TO, DO YOU??? A sense of ongoing national, cultural and economic violation? NAH, couldn't be...

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Or is it that us right wingers are the only ones who care about Iraq, Iraqi women, Iraqi children, and also about Iraqi dogs?
That old camel and goat molester, pedofile, wife beater, and animal abuser of Mohammed said it all. According to him, Allah said that dogs and pigs were dirty. Because those terrorists are clean! Fuck Allah, the dog hater. Piss a Muslim, adopt a dog. Make a dog happy, kill a terrorist, pay in kind since they are killing dogs in the name of Allah.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
So I say again

1/2 the world. 3 continents. 25 nations, 45 if you include those that attack, but have not been attacked. 20 million combatants who has seen combat. 40 million somehow connected to combat. 10 million dead and counting.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
AU CONTRAIRE. We and the Brits have been mucking up the Middle East since 1920. We've set up dictators, pitted group against group, coddled religious fanaticism when it suited our purposes, built bases everywhere, invaded on a whim, wrapped the oil money in our banking tentacles and suppressed all secular national movements that even breathed a hint of socialism.

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Originally posted by STDOUBT:
AURaptor,
Please don't use "Islamo-fascists" like it's a real
term. "Islamo-fascists" is part of the propaganda
campaign of the current US admin.

Islam has nothing to do with Fascism.
"Islamo-radical" I can buy. Think about it. Would
YOU rather be called a Christian-Fascist, or a
Christian-radical? Which is more accurate?

Personally, I think people who kill in the name of
religion should be lined up and shot.
(Please try and see the humor)

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So I say again

1/2 the world. 3 continents. 25 nations, 45 if you include those that attack, but have not been attacked. 20 million combatants who has seen combat. 40 million somehow connected to combat. 10 million dead and counting.

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Wow, its like the 19('50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and thats just the last few decades) up to and including the usual folk holding up 'the end is near' signs.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. On the other hand, if this is WW3, then you really should be voting Republican since the "Democrats Can't Defend America" (which is also Ned Lamont's theme song...sung to the tune of 'Oops I did it again').

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Originally posted by antimason:
if you look into the NWO conspiracy, you find these same forces and motives at work PRESENTLY, in America! but because of the "War on Terror" propoganda, Americans are welcoming it

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So you are arguing that we created the dangerous fanatics determined to kill us all. Does this mean that we don't have a right to defend ourselves?H

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So you are arguing that we created the dangerous fanatics determined to kill us all. It seems your so caught up in the "we created" part you forget the "determined to kill us all" part. Personally I think that if they kill us, it doesn't matter if we caused it or not. Lets survive first and then we'll feel bad later. I mean you are the guy urging the settlers not to circle the wagons and fight off the indians trying to massacre them (he's usually the first one killed, by the way). We'll figure out the history later...if anyone is left to write it down.

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Does this mean that we don't have a right to defend ourselves?

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President Bush called the U.N. resolution that took effect Monday a defeat for the Hezbollah militants. Saying Iran was supplying Hezbollah with weapons, Bush added: "We can only imagine how much more dangerous this conflict would be if Iran had the nuclear weapon it seeks."

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WWIII has been happening for at least ...umm... well since Israel was given back their nation. That really pissed them Muslims off.HAHA
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Can't be. 1919, near the end of WWI, Uk cature of palestine. (arguably WWI continues to 1921 because, inspite of the armistice, fighting continued until, yes, a republican was elected.)

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My word I sure hope it doesn't come to fighting in trenches on our own soil...I hope that before it comes to that we haven't let the government take our weapons away.

I've been through the system.
It dont work.

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A post I can wholeheartedly agree with. Gun control would leave american forces alone to defend america. Nothing against our troops, but after Katrina, (&WTC?) I've lost faith in our govt's committment to defending us. We'd need to defend the US george washington style if we want to win.

I'm not sure who would invade america proper, but then, in a war, you never know. I know that there are muslim refugees here who might take arms against us, particularly if our govt. keeps its genocidal campaigns against muslims (count those millions internationally) but it might be someone else entirely, I can see china, or even the bolivarians, doing it in a total oppertunistic move if things got bad enough.

Picture this scenario: The US attacks Iran, and China defense it (she said she would) Pakistan and the former soviet central asians side with Iran-China. Massive US overseas effort, Bang, Ahmadinejaq Nukes Qatar, Iraq, our US bases. Suddenly we have no army. It would only last a brief time, but with US forces including national guard abroad (Oh come on, you don't REALLY believe bush would leave forces behind to defend? Why would he? After all, to be fair, this is a mistake that has been made at least 100 times in history) China might just decide to invade. In spite of all the market reforms, the chinese govt. is still communist, and they still believe that world domination of the communist partt is possible (and they're doing pretty well at it, look at how much of south america they've picked up in the last 10 years, ie. virtually all of it)

So sure, scary thought.


Antimason,

Do you really think republicans and democrats matter here? I don't think the GOP has much to do with this, nor the Dems, it's the bipartisan groups, neocons, trilaterals, etc. Dem party leadership *is* the republican party leadership. Dems as a whole are more blind to the situation than republicans, no offense dems, (Oh yeah? Try asking each to see how many would desert their party to vote for their values on third party ticket, elections have shown us about 20% of conservatives and 2% of liberals, ie. you guys really need to pry yourselves away from the dems, Clinton is Bush, Bush is Clinton. Ben is Glory - sorry I can't say it enough times)

I really this is going to be the Hillary Admin pretty soon here, and nothing is going to change. Some surface stuff for appearance, but the central core of ideas will be go zion, go wwiii, go mergers and monopolies, kill your civil rights, it's your birthday.

A terrorist attack is always real, even if the terorrists are americans. It's never 'staged' like the Reichstag fire, because the attackers were not the same as the attacked. I think everyone has ruled out the WTC, port authority, or at the very least the companies with, as potential conspirators. I make this point because I know a guy who is an idiot but he got caught staging a robbery of his own store. WTC is not Perle's property, or Cheney's, and so if they blew it up, they're still terrorists. It changes little, except who we need to try for the crime.

The play on Iran is actually more complicated than it seems. Bush want to arrange it so that no one opposes it. The US needs to know that it can attack Iran without being at war with China, it doesn't give a rat's ass what the american people think.

On the US sovereignty, I think the illusion of America will persist for a long time. Most americans, even the smart ones, are pretty dumb, and it will be easy to pull the wool over their eyes for a long time. Just look at some of the arguments that people post here, and you'll see exactly how much wool has already been pulled over the eyes, and people here are far more aware than the general public.

I've read the biblical analysis. All of this was just to get the believers on board, most of the key things in revelations have already happened. Check and see, if we make an official withdrawal from Iraq on Aug. 30th 2006, the biblical mandated withdrawal date, then revelations still matters, otherwise, we're deviating from the plan. I still expect a lot of things in that playbook to appear, like the seven golden vials, but I think the real key here is to read up on Shachtman and co., and whole super-national entity stuff.

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I'm not blind to the conflict. I think more than anyone I'm fully aware of how much people around the world hate us, especially the Middle East. But the conflict is not just about religion.

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Might as well say that the conflict between the USA and the USSR was about the godlessness or that WWII was about fascism. But if you, Bush, and other fanatics keep pushing that button it WILL become a war about religion.

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There is ONLY ONE REASON why we're fighting, and it's all about oil and has always been about oil.

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Take oil out of the equation and we'd be more than happy to leave the Middle East with it's religion and it's peasant economy, no matter how stupid and benighted we see it. Without oil the whole Middle East just becomes a big hot dusty sandbox, something to go around on the way to more interesting places, as vital to us as... oh, say... Rwanda.

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Put oil IN the equation and all of the sudden there's a whole history of puppet governments and military bases and foreign interference. The Shah, the Saudi Royal family, the Taliban, Saddam, bases all over, American troops everyhwere...
SAY, YOU DON'T SUPPOSE THAT'S WHAT MIDDLE EASTERNERS MIGHT BE REACTING TO, DO YOU??? A sense of ongoing national, cultural and economic violation? NAH, couldn't be...

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Unfortunately, religion is a convenient TOOL to rouse people. It's happening here... and DT you're being worked as well as anyone... so why shouldn't it happen there?

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you really should be voting Republican since the "Democrats Can't Defend America" (which is also Ned Lamont's theme song...sung to the tune of 'Oops I did it again').

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
So I say again

1/2 the world. 3 continents. 25 nations, 45 if you include those that attack, but have not been attacked. 20 million combatants who has seen combat. 40 million somehow connected to combat. 10 million dead and counting.

Where does World War Three begin for you? Or where did it being? Where does it end? Is that end in sight? Will it come to Mainland American shores? WWI and WWII didn't.

The war between christians and muslims is on, and has been on since at least the 1990s. Are we on the right side?

And all the questions that follow such as what do we do about it?

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The war between christians and muslims is on, and has been on since at least the 1990s. Are we on the right side?

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Bang, Ahmadinejaq Nukes Qatar, Iraq, our US bases.

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Who said it was {a conflict about religion}?

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...The situation is far more sinister than you envision it. I think I was on this page back in 2003 when we invaded, but there's much more digging to to, and not just for oil. Oil funds the war, but the war exists for the purpose of the war, it is its own end, it's fear and power and permanent global domination, the end to independence anywhere.

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But oil is a means to an end. Think about it. Why control the world's oil? where does it get you? Is there a purpose to doing it? What if you're already ungodly rich? would anyone do this to be richer? yes? no! they would do it for power. control the oil, hold the world hostage and push your extremist agenda. It's a complicated multilayered conflict, each level is probably more sinister than the last.

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I'm not taking sides here. Just saying big war, wake up guys. 10 million and counting dead,

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I don't buy it. There's more connection in these campaigns, they're all post-cold war global conquest issues, and all involve the west and islamic radicals. It's not just a coincidence.

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Since YOU defined the "sides" as xtian and muslim you don't leave much of an option to choose "other", do you?

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Iran has nukes?? Since when? If anyone were to nuke the USA, it would be Pakistan.

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Who said it was {a conflict about religion}?
Er, that would be... you?

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Well, if you want my opinion, it's all about capitalism.

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Sure, but why frame it as muslim v xtian?

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Where? When? Millions of people die every month from totally preventable causes and has nothing to do with muslim or xtian. The biggest "war" that I see is the "war" of the rich on the poor.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
3. Opinion polls are irrelevent. Most folks in the US don't agree w/ the theory of Evolution, despite the literal mountains of evidence for its support. Sorry, but the opinions of those who are woefully uninformed simply don't matter. Since Iraq was never tied directly to the 9/11 attack, or any any operational involvement w/ any of the previous terror attacks against the US ( except for the attempt at Bush 41's life when he visited Kuwait, after leaving office )

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WWIII has been happening for at least ...umm... well since Israel was given back their nation. That really pissed them Muslims off.HAHA
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Can't be. 1919, near the end of WWI, Uk cature of palestine. (arguably WWI continues to 1921 because, inspite of the armistice, fighting continued until, yes, a republican was elected.)

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My word I sure hope it doesn't come to fighting in trenches on our own soil...I hope that before it comes to that we haven't let the government take our weapons away.

I've been through the system.
It dont work.

Do it on their soil not ours.

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A post I can wholeheartedly agree with. Gun control would leave american forces alone to defend america. Nothing against our troops, but after Katrina, (&WTC?) I've lost faith in our govt's committment to defending us. We'd need to defend the US george washington style if we want to win.

I'm not sure who would invade america proper, but then, in a war, you never know. I know that there are muslim refugees here who might take arms against us, particularly if our govt. keeps its genocidal campaigns against muslims (count those millions internationally) but it might be someone else entirely, I can see china, or even the bolivarians, doing it in a total oppertunistic move if things got bad enough.

Picture this scenario: The US attacks Iran, and China defense it (she said she would) Pakistan and the former soviet central asians side with Iran-China. Massive US overseas effort, Bang, Ahmadinejaq Nukes Qatar, Iraq, our US bases. Suddenly we have no army. It would only last a brief time, but with US forces including national guard abroad (Oh come on, you don't REALLY believe bush would leave forces behind to defend? Why would he? After all, to be fair, this is a mistake that has been made at least 100 times in history) China might just decide to invade. In spite of all the market reforms, the chinese govt. is still communist, and they still believe that world domination of the communist partt is possible (and they're doing pretty well at it, look at how much of south america they've picked up in the last 10 years, ie. virtually all of it)

So sure, scary thought.

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{Just throwing this out for chum}
Not so much a theory but a plan already in the making.
I think the Chinese own a major port in California...usta be a military base... I think Clinton sold it to them and gave them a multiple warhead missle plan also?

I was just a kid when that happened so I don't know all the details.
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Im gone again for a few days ...yall play nice...{Thats what my Captian always says}

I've been through the system.
It dont wurk.

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3. Opinion polls are irrelevent. Most folks in the US don't agree w/ the theory of Evolution, despite the literal mountains of evidence for its support. Sorry, but the opinions of those who are woefully uninformed simply don't matter. Since Iraq was never tied directly to the 9/11 attack, or any any operational involvement w/ any of the previous terror attacks against the US ( except for the attempt at Bush 41's life when he visited Kuwait, after leaving office )

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You heard it here first folks! Democracy is irrelevant! Anyone with the wrong opinions doesn't matter!

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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{Just throwing this out for chum}
Not so much a theory but a plan already in the making.
I think the Chinese own a major port in California...usta be a military base... I think Clinton sold it to them and gave them a multiple warhead missle plan also?

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Originally posted by citizen:
USBROWNCOAT:
Well you're poor and 'cowardly' attempt at a personal attack aside :

Since I know AURaptor better than you, and how he tends to think anyone with the 'wrong' (i.e. different to his) opinion is an idiot, I believe my post has more than a little truth in it.

As for the rest of your post I see you don't believe in representative Democracy either, you and AU should get on famously.

The word for the system you want is Oligarchy. Just out of curiosity, who decides who's smart enough to vote? What level of competence? Will there be a test to make sure they're "right thinkin'" folk?

The fact that voter opinion can be swayed by donuts and coffee is a fault with your education system and indeed your culture, and is not indicative of needing to keep the dumb down. You could start with actually funding public schools and not giving them over to be propaganda factories for the corporations.

"What's the atomic weight of Balonium?"
"Delicious?"

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Originally posted by USBrowncoat:
Why do I have the feeling you assume it would be the poorer citizens that get disqualified to vote?

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