Chavez agrees with me by dreamtrove

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Chavez agrees with me

POSTED BY: DREAMTROVE
UPDATED: Friday, September 29, 2006 15:33
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Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:30 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
You win. I concede. Clinton is the only true son of God. Worship on. Or you could go search for this stuff yourself.

This is partly what I'm talking about in my other thread. You make these claims, then you never have any links or articles, or places to go look for links and articles. You claim it's all "established fact", then hide when you can't offer any proof. If it's established fact, then there's proof everywhere. Instead, you come in claiming you read "an article sometime, in French, in a Russian newspaper you saw while waiting for a flight in London." I call bullshit.

Google is your friend. Snopes is your friend. Media Matters and Factcheck are your friends. Wiki is a research disaster, and even the makers of Wiki assert that it is a tertiary resource at best - but it's still useful.

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I don't have the time to argue this, I'm not the master webreasearcher that PN is.

Yeah. So masterful he's found every crackpot conspiracy theory from here to China. Just because it's on the web does not make it true. PN's taken one too many shots to the head, and whether the occasional article that he posts is interesting or not doesn't make him any less loony.

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I have no time for this, which is why I balied before.

You say this in every post. Then you proceed to post these massive, wordy, lengthy-ass posts; replying two (sometimes three) times to everyone that questions your facts. Just replying to you - and I'm a halfway fast typist - took me 5-10 minutes.
Lets try an experiment:

Bring up new browser: 2 seconds
Use drop down menu to pull up - oh, let's say Google: 2 seconds
Type in, oh, "Bush + Clinton + NAFTA": 10ish seconds
Find a link that may back up an argument: 2-3 minutes
Copy and paste here: 5 seconds
(link grabbed at random for experiment purposes - http://www.historycentral.com/Documents/Clinton/SigningNaFTA.html)

Wow. No one else may have the nuts to say it, but I will. You're full of shit to claim you "don't have time" to back up what you say. It takes two minutes. You can't or won't, is what you're telling me. I may disagree with Hero and AUR., or Finn, but at least they back their arguments up when confronted.

You're all flash and no picture (to quote a line I heard today).

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Sunday, September 24, 2006 6:55 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Chavez was awesome on CSPAN, unedited by the Media Mafia. Too bad he had a female translator, which was probably done on-purpose by the US Govt (ie, "Chavez is effeminate so don't listen to his words"). But even the translator was enjoying herself, and laughing at the El Diablo jokes. The UN gave Chavez a 60-second applause.

Jew Bolton, unelected unapproved nutjob US "ambassador" to UN Corporation, was nowhere to be seen.

Uncle Scam also refused to allow Chavez' fellow diplomats to depart his aircraft to attend the UN. They had to stay on the airliner, even tho they had been sold airline tickets and had diplomatic visas pre-approved by US State Dept.

Does anyone have a link to CSPAN's download?

"You can't stop the signal!"
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV

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Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:43 PM

DREAMTROVE

Okay,

I'm not really back, I just came to see what mud got slung my way.

Signym,

The situation is a lot more complex than you think. A lot lot. Bad businessmen on a greed kick has little to do with it. Corrupt businessment are ameans to an end.

I know you're not Clinton's best friend, but this isn't about shifting blame away from Bush, who gives a damn about Bush? It's about seeing what's coming, and knowing the beast for what he truly is before 2008.

We are in a vicious cycle of re-electing evil. Evil is outsmarting America, and evil is pretty dumb. And the Americam people just seems so much dumber.

7%, and everyone who says "do research man,"

I have absolutely zero time for this. This forum, does not generate income, it does not get work done, and it does not forward political policy. It is not in the means of getting anything done, the amount of time we devote to it is an upper limit. Actually, it's way past the upper limit. I said some time ago "at some point I will make a site, but right now I don't have the time" so, after that point, I just couldn't help but feel that the pressing of the point was to force a partisan "win" of the argument.

Well, bully. I went and research for four hours on one part of the rwanda thing and I was no closer to the truth, I just came up with more questions. To "prove" Clinton's guilt is even harder than proving Bush's, not because he's less guilty, but because the media loves him. Here's a hardcore fact: Clinton's govt. vetoed the UN resolution against the Rwandan genocide. That's an insane thing to do. He armed people in the situation after things had died down, a million deaths later. After that point, and with those arms, 7 million more people were killed. I think these facts can be found anywhere. But what does this all mean? I don't know what was in his head when he did these things, or why he did them, or to what effect Clinton's actions impacted the situation in Rwanda. So I'm not Pirate News, so sue me. Yeah, Bush is a big bad bear, eating America, and I have no problem with that position. I'm just the guy pointing his finger and saying, look, another bear. And I kinda feel like everyone in america, with the media cattleprodding them over to it is going "he's the good bear, let's let him kill us"

People just seem amazingly dumb. There is truly no hope for this country. I'm really quite sure that the same crowd that created the Clinton administration created the Bush administration, and will create the Hillary/Kerry administration or whatever it is, and you all will fall right in to its loathesome arms.

7% - I think this is a thousand hour investment that you're calling for.

The sort of link you just did is so obvious that I assume that anyone who reads what I post can google those easy to find items just as easily.

After investing the hours in the misguided idea that you guys were right, and that this was my fault, and that this wasn't some stupid rhetorical trick, I gave up.

What do I care if you people believe me or not? I'm not investing a ton of time in this now, when I have work to do, I had already said some time ago "at some point, I'll make a site" but the press for "now now now!" was a trick to invalidate my statements.

I think you guys know that whether thorough or not, that string of accusations was basically correct. I see no one actually disputed a single claim that I made.

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Friday, September 29, 2006 2:54 PM

SEVENPERCENT

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Originally posted by Dreamtrove:
7% - I think this is a thousand hour investment that you're calling for.

The sort of link you just did is so obvious that I assume that anyone who reads what I post can google those easy to find items just as easily.

Yes. Anyone could. I can. But I'm not making the claims. You are. You. The person making a claim has the burden of proof on them, not the disputee. If you had spent as much time reading and on research as you claim, and know as much as you claim to know, then you'd know that. What you want is carte blanche to say whatever you want and redefine whatever you want without penalty, and force anyone who doesn't agree to spend their time looking for evidence to the contrary. I call bullshit.

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After investing the hours in the misguided idea that you guys were right, and that this was my fault, and that this wasn't some stupid rhetorical trick, I gave up.

What hours? You just told us you have no time to so any research, so what 'investment' have you made? Did some thinking did you?

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What do I care if you people believe me or not? I'm not investing a ton of time in this now, when I have work to do, I had already said some time ago "at some point, I'll make a site" but the press for "now now now!" was a trick to invalidate my statements.

You care enough to have

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came to see what mud got slung my way.

Nobody wants all your hours upon hours of (in my opinion, fictional as a PN conspiracy) research, they just want one lousy link backing up just one thing you said. And can't ever get one.

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I think you guys know that whether thorough or not, that string of accusations was basically correct. I see no one actually disputed a single claim that I made.

We don't know that. No one disputed you because - and hear me when I say this - you haven't made a claim! An accusation without evidence is not worth responding to - it's not a clam, it's just more bullshit. When you back up your 'accusations' with some links or some places research can be found, then we'll call them claims and dismiss or accept them as appropriate.

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Friday, September 29, 2006 3:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Maybe it's tomato-picking season for DT. Winter might be better for him.

But- yeah. I can fling accusations too. Much as I would like[/] not to have to back them up, I don't expect anyone to just believe me. In fact, I would be terribly disappointed if they did.

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Friday, September 29, 2006 3:33 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I have a sadder scenario in mind. When DT goes searching for things, NOT finding them is, to him, evidence. "I went looking to prove that Clinton was a drug mule for Bush and couldn't find it anywhere. That proves conclusively they're hiding the truth. Which means it really IS true. AND the conspiracy is even bigger than anyone knows."

All his claims are things he's put together in his mind. They don't exist on the internet.

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