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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
You mean like the rest of the world?

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No matter how stupid they are I've never known anyone to not know who George Bush is, or for that matter Jacques Chirac, so anyone not knowing who Tony Blair is, is pretty bad, what with Britain being your closest ally and all.

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And really the overwhelming attitude that comes across is that to Americans there is AMERICA and some other, things, some stuff that you know, isn't American, not really important.

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But really one of the big things us 'foreigners' don't like is when genuine grievances are dismissed as, "They're just jealous cause they're not American."

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Originally posted by citizen:

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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
You mean like the rest of the world?

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Because to not cowl down and beg like a dog whenever the US president hollers and fucks you over is mean spirited.

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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
Yeah, they are pretty bad. But I don't believe that they don't have an equivalent in your country, or that they're anything but a minority in this country. Like I said, they could have asked 100 people that day and kept the 8 retards.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
World affairs? Hell, many Americans don't even know what goes on in their own borders! Too often ( Jay Leno, Dave Letterman ) have done the 'man on the street ' type interviews, and it's pathetic.

Ask them who the VP is , or if they can find Texas on a map of the US, and watch the hilarity follow.

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The "attitude"? As in, what everyone assumes is what must be going through every American's mind? I'd call you a might presumptuous if you subscribed to that line of thinking.

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Chances are if someone's saying this, they're either trying to piss you off, or they live in a trailer park. If you actually want to discuss grievances, talk to someone who's willing, or better yet, someone who's able to do something about them. I don't know why you think that giving Joe Schmo American "The biz" is going to get you anywhere, but be my guest...

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just remember, we don't argue with your soccer hooligans about politics, so don't argue with our trailer trash.

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Originally posted by kaneman:
"Didn't say there wasn't, but there are reasons for people 'hating' America"

Blah blah.......

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Another hate filled post from an American hating limey............

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Then why don't we see them with stunning regularity?

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I'm sorry but this level of disconnect has never been demonstrated in the populations of other developed nations. Please note that I'm not calling them stupid, you're inference not mine, merely ignorant and lacking of perspective.

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Actually it seems to be the heartfelt from many. I remember seeing an interview with an American Woman whose Husband was killed in a terrorist attack who assumed the world wide dislike for Americans was because they "were Jealous". Maybe she was trailer trash, maybe she wanted to piss the world off even more, she didn't look it.

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More over giving "Joe Schmo" American the real reasons why people tend to dislike America if they think its because the worlds jealous of them would be an adroit course of action wouldn't it? Unless you think education is useless to open the eyes of people who may be ignorant? Perhaps teaching the above who Tony Blair actually is wouldn't help? Also since I'm unlikely to be in a position to talk to someone in the higher echelons of government, so it seems fairly unlikely that I'll be able to talk to anyone other than "Joe Schmo American", so really the only way that we can realistically take your statements is as a polite way of saying "shut up about your grievances johnny foreigner, nobody over here cares". Which would be rather proving my point no?

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Which brings me on to my almost final point. If you don't wish to discuss things, no one's holding you down with a gun to your head. You are free to participate, or not, and the appropriate course of action is to not post, rather than getting overly defensive and throwing gilded insults around.

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You're still describing this "attitude" as a sentiment that "America" exports. If "America" exports the attitude, then you're implying that it is the attitude of "America", right? And that would be assuming, on your part, that all Americans feel it?

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Actually, I just did a word search on the page for "stupid", and I never said that you called all Americans stupid. So, no, that's be your putting words in your own mouth.

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And that attitude's only apparent to people who want to see it that way.

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A U.S. government official just got his ass kicked by a bunch of anti-war Americans on a college campus where most of the people think the same way you do about America.

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So my problem here is that you're assuming it's coming from "America" in general.

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Finally, forgive me if I saw snideness where there was none (as I'm certain there was none in that final sentence, either.).

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But at least I'm being man enough to admit I could be wrong.

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I can tell you that out of my friends, there's... 0 who don't know who Tony Blair is.

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So my problem here is that you're assuming it's coming from "America" in general.

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You said I was saying all Americans were like them [the people in the video], who I said were ignorant. That is putting the following words into my mouth:
"All Americans are ignorant" which is most defiantly not what I'm saying.

I simplified the sentence while preserving the sentiment, I hadn't realised that we would be nitpicking the exact words so closely.

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Is that right? So let me get this straight, the fact that I recognise that this 'attitude' is not representative proves nothing, but the fact that I notice it proves that I want to see all Americans as ignorant. Nope you're really going to have to run that by me again.

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Originally posted by citizen:
Didn't say there wasn't, but there are reasons for people 'hating' America. For instance the do as we say not as we do international attitude. Expecting fair and equitable trade TO other countries but not FROM other countries.

No matter how stupid they are I've never known anyone to not know who George Bush is, or for that matter Jacques Chirac, so anyone not knowing who Tony Blair is, is pretty bad, what with Britain being your closest ally and all.

And really the overwhelming attitude that comes across is that to Americans there is AMERICA and some other, things, some stuff that you know, isn't American, not really important.

But really one of the big things us 'foreigners' don't like is when genuine grievances are dismissed as, "They're just jealous cause they're not American."

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Citizen - the US is 50 times LARGER than the UK. Quite frankly, many Americans have what to them are more important things to worry about than some country they will never see and know little about.

You know what I found really amazing about the media in the UK? They spent (and I am talking telly and radio and tabloids) an alarming amount of time bashing America and making "only in America" statements that had no basis in fact. Is America wonderful - not always, but then neither is the UK. Like the US has the patent on stupidity. I once had a British woman that wore a UK size 22 tell me that all Americans were fat. I told her to oder anthoer fish and chips.

It is all just stupid. Neither country is better than the other. There are wonderful things about the UK just as there are wonderful things about the US. And if it makes you feel any better. I have never heard anyone, either in our media or in conversation say that "they are just jealous because they aren't Americans".


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And "to Americans there is AMERICA and some other, things, some stuff that you know, isn't American, not really important." is not the same as saying that Americans are ignorant, then you're kidding yourself.

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
You know what I found really amazing about the media in the UK? They spent (and I am talking telly and radio and tabloids) an alarming amount of time bashing America and making "only in America" statements that had no basis in fact. Is America wonderful - not always, but then neither is the UK. Like the US has the patent on stupidity. I once had a British woman that wore a UK size 22 tell me that all Americans were fat. I told her to oder anthoer fish and chips.

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It is all just stupid. Neither country is better than the other. There are wonderful things about the UK just as there are wonderful things about the US. And if it makes you feel any better. I have never heard anyone, either in our media or in conversation say that "they are just jealous because they aren't Americans".

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Citizen - the US is 50 times LARGER than the UK. Quite frankly, many Americans have what to them are more important things to worry about than some country they will never see and know little about.

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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
"And really the overwhelming attitude that comes across is that to Americans there is AMERICA and some other, things, some stuff that you know, isn't American, not really important."

Happy? Still looks the same to me. Sorry if cutting down on the words took away from your original intent, but maybe I was just lost on what it was to begin with.

Care to restate your point?

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Also, she never said that you said the UK was better than the US. I think she was making a general statement to address and diffuse what seemed to be a growing sentiment on this thread that it was turning into UK vs. US.

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Again, you managed to find conflict with someone not looking for it. You're talented like that.

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Originally posted by yinyang:
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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
Why's that?

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
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You don't get the difference between "to Americans there is " and "really the overwhelming attitude that comes across is that to Americans there"? The sentances, intent and meaning are entirely different.

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Not by me, I remember you brought up footbal hooligans. I responded to what appeared to be an accusation that I was saying "the UK is better than the US" which was neither my intent nor my actions as far as I can see. I merely voiced that I never said such a thing because I do not know why FMF was telling me otherwise.

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While we're on the subject why do you bring me to task for saying all Americans are ignorant, when my words were that the attitude appears to come accross that America doesn't care about the outside world so much, but praise FMF when she outright says it?

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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
No, because they both express the sentiment that Americans are ignorant to the rest of the world, and either way you say it, it's your opinion, whether or not you put the buffer "The overwhleming attitude" before the statement. But like I said, I'm open to the possability of me misinterperating it. So sorry if that's the case.

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I think she was saying it to everybody. But again, I could be wrong.

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As to the "Pot. Kettle. Black.", well, re-read that last sentence. I wasn't the one who took issue with a freggin joke.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
How about this one ?


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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
How about this one ?


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Sorry, when I hit the link it goes to a bumper sticker

A picture of Bush with his idiot smile and next to it " George doesn't work here "

and underneath, " Canada : America done right "

I thought it funny

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Oh and how, exactly in a medium where there is none of the normal tells of intent, such as how something is said, body language and so on was I supposed to know it was a joke? Crystal ball?

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