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Originally posted by BionicBatman:
That people who dont believe in God celebrate the birth of Him?

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Originally posted by BionicBatman:
Yes i am a Christian but i am just saying dont you think its hypocritical. I'm not trying to judge anybody. Dont make up your own assumptions without thinking about what you are typing.

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Originally posted by BionicBatman:
Thats because it IS hypocritical for them to be celebrating it. I asked one simple question. A yes or no question. Judging people and what they are are 2 two completely different things. Dont you agree that it is hyprocritical?

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
If someone who didn't believe in the Roman Catholic version of God took communion at Christmas midnight mass then, yes, I'd say that their actions were hypocritical.

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Originally posted by BionicBatman:
That people who dont believe in God celebrate the birth of Him?

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
But Soupcatcher, some folks like experiencing different cultures and their rituals. All kinds of non-catholics go to Midnight Mass much the same way travelers might do in an exotic land.

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Originally posted by BionicBatman:
That people who dont believe in God celebrate the birth of Him?

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:

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Originally posted by BionicBatman:
Thats because it IS hypocritical for them to be celebrating it. I asked one simple question. A yes or no question. Judging people and what they are are 2 two completely different things. Dont you agree that it is hyprocritical?

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Gliding right past your semantic silliness regarding judging people, I think it would help if you clarify what you mean by, "celebrate the birth of him."

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Originally posted by BionicBatman:
Soup, can you do anything else besides attack me?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
But as Xtian will tell you, there is nothing Xtian about a tree. I'm not sure what tradition the lights come from, or the gift-giving. It's prolly pagan anyway. So I suppose you could say we're all being false pagans?

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Actually, it kind of seems like you agree with me. The question that was posed is whether it is hypocritical to worship the birth of god while not believing in said god. By definition, that is probably hypocritical. The definition of a hypocrite, fundamentally, is one who puts on a false appearance of religion.

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Originally posted by BionicBatman:
I do believe my question has the point in it.

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"Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen.
For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest,
the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold;
they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
They are upright as the palm tree.
Every man is brutish in his knowledge.
My tabernacle is spoiled.
For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD:
therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.
Behold, the noise of the bruit is come, and a great commotion out of the north country,
to make the cities of Judah desolate, and a den of dragons.
Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not."
-Jeremiah 10 (KJV)

TO ORDER YOUR JEREMIAH 10 CHRISTMAS CARDS:

http://www.cafepress.com/piratenews.39079634

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"THE HANGMAN EQUALS DEATH!
THE DEVIL EQUALS DEATH!
DEATH EQUALS DEATH!"
-Initiation ritual in Yale University's Skull & Bones Senior Secret Society, New Haven, Connecticut (Ron Rosenbaum, New York Observer, "At Skull and Bones, Bush's Secret Club Initiates Ream Gore," 4/2/01)
www.prisonplanet.com/initiates_ream_gore.html


Christian (Jewish) presidents Georges Bush and Bill Clinton-Blythe Rockefeller worshipping Molech/Lucifer/Satan at Jewish Bohemian Grove in Monte Rio, California on Summer Solstice. Photo copyright Bohemian Club annual yearbook
http://www.lonelantern.org/bohemian_grove.html

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove
Original full-length version - Infiltration of Jewish Bohemian Grove presidential compound and homosexual nudist colony that performs "mock" human sacrifice to 50-foot-tall idol of Molech - Where Bush Gang and Bill Clinton-Blythe III (Rockefeller) vacation every year to worship Satan and run nekked in the woods with 3,000 homosexual world dictators - Undercover video by Infowars.com
http://www.archive.org/details/DSIBG
http://www.infowars.com/bg1.html

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove and The Order of Death
Two documentaries in one - An employee of Bohemian Grove presidential compound used undercover video to capture the 50-foot-tall idol of Molech and "mock" human sacrifice up close and in broad daylight - Undercover video by Infowars.com
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/

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http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/6737.php

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Alex Jones of Infowars.com interviews Senator John DeCamp author of The Franklin Coverup, music by Counter Coup and Bohemian Club
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/6737.php

Moloch.
an ancient Phoenician and Ammonite god, to whom children were sacrificed by burning.
-Webster's New World Dictionary

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people."
-Leviticus 20:1-5, Christian Bible KJV

"And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon."
-1 Kings 11:6-7, Christian Bible KJV

"Because of all the evil of the children of Israel and of the children of Judah, which they have done to provoke me to anger, they, their kings, their princes, their priests, and their prophets, and the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction. But they set their abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it. And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin."
-Jeremiah 32:32-35, Christian Bible KJV

"And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
-Leviticus 18:21-22, Christian Bible KJV

And the king sent, and they gathered unto him all the elders of Judah and of Jerusalem. And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the LORD all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Bethel. And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove. And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech. And he slew all the priests of the high places that were there upon the altars, and burned men's bones upon them, and returned to Jerusalem. Jehoahaz was twenty and three years old when he began to reign; and he reigned three months in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Hamutal, the daughter of Jeremiah of Libnah. And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD. And Jehoiakim gave the silver and the gold to Pharaoh; but he taxed the land to give the money according to the commandment of Pharaoh: he exacted the silver and the gold of the people of the land, of every one according to his taxation, to give it unto Pharaohnechoh. Jehoiakim was twenty and five years old when he began to reign; And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his fathers had done."
-2 Kings 23:1-37

"But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time - it is the most faggy goddamn thing that you would ever imagine with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."
-President Richard "Dick" Nixon, White House audiotape, Nixon Presidential Library, 1971
http://www.prisonplanet.com/032604nixontape.html (audio download)

More photos and news from Bohemian Grove:
http://www.nwowatcher.com/smf/index.php?topic=152
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove


Christian (Jewish) presidents Georges Bush and Bill Clinton-Blythe Rockefeller performing "mock" human sacrifice to 50-foot tall idol of Molech/Lucifer/Satan at Jewish Bohemian Grove homosexual nudist compound. That's a "live" human body burning as it screams in agony over the loudspeakers. 45-million children have been sacrificied in USA since 1973. 2.5-million innocent Iraqis have been sacrificed by the Bushes and Clinton-Blythes, including over 600,000 children. Photo copyright Bohemian Club annual yearbook
http://www.43places.com/places/view/379646

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Have gift exchanges and feasts over the course of several days and nights as was done of old

Adorn the home with sacred herbs and colors; decorate in druidic holiday colors of red, green and white

Hang a sprig of mistletoe above a major threshold and leave it there until next yule as a charm for good luck throughout the year

Have family/household members join together to make or purchase an evergreen wreath

If you choose to have a living or a harvested evergreen tree as part of your holiday decorations, call it a solstice tree and decorate it with pagan symbols

Reclaim Santa Claus as a pagan godform by decorating him with images that reflect his various heritages ranging from the Greek god Cronos (father time) to Odin, the Scandinavian all-father riding the sky on an eight-legged horse

Place pagan mother-goddess images around your home, possibly including one with a sun child, such as Isis with Horus

Honor the new solar year with light – light candles, burn a yule log and save a portion for the following year, put colored lights outside your home, and with the popularity of five-pointed stars, consider displaying a blue or white pentagram.

www.circlesanctuary.org/pholidays/SolsticeArticle.html

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For 100s of years it was illegal to celebrate Xmas, according to the Puritans who ran the British and American colonial governments.

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Christ Mass is celebration of the Jewish Sanhedrons' murder of Rabbi Jesus, according to the Catholic church.

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Yule logs (Feast of the Dead) were made from the fat of child sacrifice, just like Jack-o-lanterns on Halloween.

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The US Supreme Court ordered that Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity (Lynch v. Donnelly, 465 U.S. 668, March 5, 1984).

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Christmas was historically a pagan orgy for Saturnalia, aka Satan (aka Santa).

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Xmas is Satan's birthday, according to Jewish Christians.
Xmas trees represents Satan's penis. Xmas wreaths represent Satan's vagina. Satan's an hermaphrodite, BTW. What does that say about pagans?

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85% of artificial xmas trees are manufactured in Communist China, which outlaws Christianity under penalty of death.

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9-million US citizens are suffocated every year by cutting down Christmas trees.

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Originally posted by BionicBatman:
Thats because it IS hypocritical for them to be celebrating it. I asked one simple question. A yes or no question. Judging people and what they are are 2 two completely different things. Dont you agree that it is hyprocritical?

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
If someone who didn't believe in the Roman Catholic version of God took communion at Christmas midnight mass then, yes, I'd say that their actions were hypocritical.

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
I wanta weigh in on this.
In the Methodist church I attend, I wouldn't trake Connunion for years.
Then one Communion Sunday , a new pastor read a slightly different ritual. He said, " The Methodist church practices an open Communion table. You do not have to be a member of this church or any other to take Communion. You must merely seek to follow the teaching of Christ , and to seek Divine assistance with your sins." ON those terms, I could , and do, participate.

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Little kids...your children, my children...they dont know any of that crap and they dont care....THEY JUST LOVE SANTA CLAUS, CHRISTMAS TREES, CHRISMAS PRESENTS, AND ALL THE HOLIDAY CHILDREN'S SPECIALS!...SOme of you folks here sound like you'd want to just strip all that away just because you can't find any love in your heart...that's pretty sad!..I say..GROW UP!

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