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Originally posted by jwhedonaddict:
Is it just me or is it going to be unusually tough for voters this time?

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I think he's talking about the Democratic Primary?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not to pick too many nits, but there is no 'Democratic' party, thus, there is not Democratic Primary.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not to pick too many nits, but there is no 'Democratic' party, thus, there is not Democratic Primary.

The Democrats have a primary, as do the Republicans.

Democratic is a form of Gov't. Democrats are a political PARTY.

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Originally posted by JWHEDONADDICT:
Feel free not to answer if you don't want to, I'm not wanting to start anything because I'm not willing to talk about which potential candidates I'm siding with yet either, just wondering what you've personally got against Hillary since you mentioned her by name.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not to pick too many nits, but there is no 'Democratic' party, thus, there is not Democratic Primary.

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Actually Rapty the party name is The Democratic Party. For proof I offer their website http://www.democrats.org/ Democrats is the plural term for members of that party.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I think it's a great misrepresentation on their part,false advertising

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I've never heard them referred to as the Democratic party, only as Democrats or the Democrat party.

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
Much less so than the Republican Party in my experience.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Are there any Democrats (Democraticats?) who are okay with me owning guns?

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Originally posted by Causal:
They're all oligarchic megalomaniacs who want the reins of power so they can force their version of utopia down our throats.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Are there any Democrats (Democraticats?) who are okay with me owning guns?

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Are you an Iranian terrorist who promises to kill as many Jews as you can? Cause if so I think you can count on just about any of the Democrats to make sure you can own all the guns you want...bigger the better.

If your a Jew looking for self defense or an American looking to hunt...your out of luck.

H

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Are there any Democrats (Democraticats?) who are okay with me owning guns?

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Originally posted by Causal:
They're all oligarchic megalomaniacs who want the reins of power so they can force their version of utopia down our throats.

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At least Republican utopia comes with lower taxes.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
...if Hillary gains the presidency we will be likely looking at 20 years of the presidency dominated by only two American families, and that just feels too hereditary.

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Originally posted by Hero:
Its a really difficult choice. You have the woman you just know is Satan, the young black guy that you really like but just isn't up to the job (yet), the young white guy who you really like but just isn't up to the job (and never will be...but if you need a malpractice lawyer willing to take 60% of your settlement, he's your man), the corn-ee Governor you know can't win, the former VP who shaved his beard and wants to put your car in jail, and Dennis Kucinich.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm confused."

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They're all oligarchic megalomaniacs who want the reins of power so they can force their version of utopia down our throats.

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At least Republican utopia comes with lower taxes.

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Are there any Democrats (Democraticats?) who are okay with me owning guns? Who will defend that right by vetoing bills and such? Cause if so, I'll root for them. I usually vote Republican to protect my gun rights, but I'm willing to switch for the right Democrat.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
There's a couple, but any major party politico has to 'toe the party line' to some degree, and the ones that don't tend to get sandbagged and marginalized by their own party.

You want your rights as advertised, you'd be better off with Ron Paul.

Look him up, check his voting record and his history, you'll see what I mean, he's like a second coming of the founding fathers, I think you'd like him.

I damn sure would vote for him, and that's sayin somethin.

http://www.house.gov/paul/

-Frem

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Originally posted by Causal:
And do you not see the massive tradeoffs for those lower taxes?

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Oligarchy, I'm tellin' ya...

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I do, I really do...big screen tv, nicer car, Playstation 3, higher quality online porn, finished basement, higher stock prices, larger overall tax revenue, retirement account, charitable giving

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Its a really difficult choice. You have the woman you just know is Satan, the young black guy that you really like but just isn't up to the job (yet), the young white guy who you really like but just isn't up to the job (and never will be...but if you need a malpractice lawyer willing to take 60% of your settlement, he's your man), the corn-ee Governor you know can't win, the former VP who shaved his beard and wants to put your car in jail, and Dennis Kucinich.

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That's a pretty damn funny assessment of the gang so far...I was going to go thru the list myself with disdained mocking, but I will cede this to yours.

My opinion on the outcome of the Democrat nomination is that over the next 16 months Hillary & Obama will pull way ahead of the crowd, and by the time their convention is held in August 2008 Hillary will have it locked up.

BUT....It's gonna be a real blast watching them all attempt to DESTROY eachother in the process...just like they always do....destroy eachother so much that they weaken the final candidate for the Presidential election in Novemebr 2008....New Hampshire & Iowa in early 2008 will weed out the wannabees, but psychos like 'Lil Denny Kucinich will always be there telling America that HE and HE alone can save the country....and then another fun part of politics is when the Dems are done ripping eachother apart and they have a candidate...then they go after the Republican nominee...and everyone hugs, kisses, and makes up...as if to say All those horrible things I've been calling you for 18 months don't matter...help support me to defeat the evil Repubs. I'm still waiting to see the other "regulars" declare their candidacy like :
Al Sharpton
Carol Mosley Braun
Wesley Clark
Joe Lieberman
Gebhart
Gore
Daschle
Biden
Kennedy
etc etc

Hell..I want that stage in August 2008 just all filled up( like in 2004)up with these self-centered, do-nothing millionnaire politicians!....great entertainment!

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With complementary assault by costumed park employee!

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Tigger has impeccable timing. The cat woke up its owner, Carole Behr of Clinton, just in time for her and her daughter to call 9-1-1 and escape their burning home.Behr says Tigger jumped on her and then sat on her until she woke up.

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"Mr. Speaker, my subject today is whether America is a police state. If we are, what are we going to do about it? Most police states, surprisingly, come about through the democratic process with majority support. The masses are easily led to believe that security and liberty are mutually exclusive, and demand for security far exceeds that for liberty. Our government already keeps close tabs on just about everything we do and requires official permission for nearly all of our activities. One might take a look at our Capitol for any evidence of a police state. We see: barricades, metal detectors, police, military soldiers at times, dogs, ID badges required for every move, vehicles checked at airports and throughout the Capitol. The people are totally disarmed, except for the police and the criminals. But worse yet, surveillance cameras in Washington are everywhere to ensure our safety. Like gun control, people control hurts law-abiding citizens much more than the law-breakers. Centralized control and regulations are required in a police state. Not only do we need a license to drive, but we also need special belts, bags, buzzers, seats and environmentally dictated speed limits. Or a policeman will be pulling us over to levy a fine, and he will be toting a gun for sure. Let's reject the police state."
—Congressman Dr. Ron Paul, MD (R-TX, 1988 Libertarian Party candidate for President), speech in House of Representatives, United States Congress, "Are We Doomed To Be a Police State?" June 27, 2002
www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr062702.htm

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Originally posted by rue:
"The big problem is the voters want a fresh face with lots of experience."

OUCH ! painfully stupid and true.

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NM Gov. Bill Richardson just threw his hat into the ring, and I think he might fit that description.

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