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Nancy Pelosi, house speaker, wants investigation into Ground Zero mosque opposition funding

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:53 AM

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Harry Reid had better watch his back!

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Nancy Pelosi wants some answers.

The house speaker is calling for an investigation into groups protesting the building of the Ground Zero mosque.

"There is a concerted effort to make this a political issue by some," she told San Francisco's KCBS radio on Tuesday.

Pelosi added that she joins "those who have called for looking into how is this opposition to the mosque being funded."

Many Republicans have said they are against the building of the mosque, and have demanded Democratic candidates and incumbents to publicly choose a side.

The GOP said it will keep hammering the issue in a drive to take back Congress.

"It's important to voters right now," Tory Mazzola, spokesman for the National Congressional Republican Committee, said.

Pelosi is one of few House Democrats to make a statement on the mosque. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) broke from the president on Monday and said the mosque should be built "someplace else." The move occurred shortly after his Republican opponent Sharron Angle asked where he stood.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg has previously said an investigation into how the $100 million project is funded would be "un-American."

Pelosi said the matter is a "zoning issue" in New York City and would like the matter to be determined by city residents. She said the issue might be "ginned up" in order to help Republican candidates.

"In New York, I'm sure the New Yorkers would like to make their own urban development decision themselves," Pelosi said.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/08/18/2010-08-18_nancy_p
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This is your America, folks.

It's not fiction. It's actually happening - NOW !





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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:55 AM

KWICKO

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Meanwhile, Newt Gingrich has called for making public the entire list of people and groups behind funding the building of said community center.

This is your America, folks: the GOP wants to make public every person's church contributions!

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:12 AM

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Pelosi is degenerating into paranoid caricature. Soon, she'll be indistinguishable from a conservative, or PN.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:18 AM

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Is this issue like Willie Horton writ large (with a turban)? Seems effective so far. Liberals need a better response than "You're bigoted!" or "they've got the right." Neither persuades; neither is truly on point. The best response, I think, is silence. Perhaps then, the Republicans incessant harping on the issue will be revealed as the non-issue bullshit that it is.

But for now, every Pelosi opens here surgically enhanced maw, I die a little on the inside and move right out of spite.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:19 AM

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We SHOULD know who is funding the Mosque. But Pelosi sure as hell doesn't want any of that. Doesn't want to know any terrorist $$ that's coming in from al Qaeda and the like.


Harry Reid had better watch his back.




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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:23 AM

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And just who are those who are promoting the Mosque at Ground Zero ???


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Some are asking why the Imam who is behind this Mosque isn't speaking out more.

Why isn't he?

Why SHOULD he?

Why in the world should Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf insert himself into this controversy when he has the Mayor of New York, the President of the United States, the New York Times and so many others arguing the case for him? If I had that much firepower behind my plans I would lay lot too!

Since the Imam isn't talking about the Mosque ... maybe you can just rely on some of the things he has already done and said. Perhaps you might like to consider the support he has shown for the Islamic terrorist organization known as Hamas. Maybe you might even want to read his book. In America his book is titled "What's Right with Islam is What's Right with America." Or maybe you might like to read that very same book in Arabic! They didn't use the same title .. the book is the same, but the title is different. If you get the Arabic version of the Imam's book the title will be "A Call for Dawa from the World Trade Center Rubble" Now the only part of that phrase you might not understand is the word "Dawa." So let's replace that word with one that infidels will understand and re-state the title to the Imam's book:

"A Call For The Spread of Islam From the World Trade Center Rubble"

Yup .. that's the guy behind the World Trade Center Mosque! That's the guy your taxpayer dollars are being spent to fly around the world on some sort of strange diplomatic mission. A Muslim Imam who wants to gather Muslims in the rubble of the World Trade Center to pray for the spread of Islam. How very wonderful.

Now remember .. a part of that rubble was the very building that is going to house this Mosque in New York City. The landing gear from the aircraft Muhammad Atta flew into Tower One crashed through the roof of the building in question. Who knows? Maybe they've saved some rubble from that very building to enhance their prayer for the spread of Islam experience.




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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:59 AM

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Pelosi wants to investigate 9/11 first responders!!!!

UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE - BUT TRUE!

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Ailing 9/11 responders slam President Obama: Focus on Zadroga health bill, not Ground Zero mosque

Ailing 9/11 responders slammed President Obama on Tuesday for sounding off on the Ground Zero mosque while keeping silent on a $7.2 billion health care bill.

"Why have you failed us? We thought you would be our champion" in pushing the legislation, John Feal wrote to Obama.

One of the thousands who worked at The Pile after the World Trade Center attacks, Feal heads the Fealgood Foundation supporting the responders.

The plight of the Ground Zero heroes, still suffering and dying from illnesses brought on by the toxic cloud over the twin towers' ruins, has taken a backseat to the political posturing over the mosque, Feal said.

The mosque's location "is not an issue for us," he told Obama.

"It is disturbing that you have the time and energy to speak in favor of the mosque, but not on the health crisis caused by the attacks," said Feal, who lost part of a foot when a steel beam fell on him during cleanup work.

Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-Manhattan, Queens), who has worked closely with the responders on the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, seconded their complaints about Obama.

"While I welcome President Obama's comments on religious freedom, I can understand why John Feal and his fellow 9/11 responders would want to hear that the President supports their cause, too," Maloney said.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/18/2010-08-18_focus_on_zad
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These are the folks Pelosi says need to be investigated. If you say otherwise, then you're admitting that Pelosi is just being selective and 100 % partisan on the issue.

Harry Reid and the 9/11 first responders had better watch THEIR backs!




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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:32 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

We SHOULD know who is funding the Mosque. But Pelosi sure as hell doesn't want any of that. Doesn't want to know any terrorist $$ that's coming in from al Qaeda and the like.


Harry Reid had better watch his back.





I find it curious that you only want to single out mosques for such scrutiny.

Why won't you support opening the books of every religious institution? What are YOU hiding?

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:33 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Those are the same 9/11 responders that the GOP has refused to give medical aid to, right?


Why do the Republicans hate the heroes of 9/11?

We really should investigate that, don't you think?

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:34 AM

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- 9/11 ring a bell ?

- Atheists have no religious institutions, thus no such books exist. ( sorry )




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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:37 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

We really should investigate that, don't you think?




Barry doesn't care. He's to busy spending our $$ on sending the ground zero mosque founder over seas, as an "envoy" , to show the world we don't hate Muslims.

And while he's over seas, Imam Rauf will gladly be taking $$ from terrorists, to fund the new Mosque, on hallowed ground, in lower Manhattan.

You're cool with that, huh?




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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:37 AM

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The GOP said it will keep hammering the issue in a drive to take back Congress.
There you have it, the GOP ITSELF saying they're hammering the issue "in a drive to take back Congress". Jeeez, the fact that they are happy to say straight out WHY they want the issue hammered at shows just how much brass they've got!

The PART of that article you posted is misleading. At the end it says
"The freedom of religion is Constitutional right. Where a place of worship is located is a local decision," the Washington Post reported her saying.

Pelosi added that she agrees with the Anti-Defamation League that there is a "need for transparency about who is funding the effort to build this Islamic center. At the same time, we should also ask who is funding the attacks against the construction of the center."

So much for that. I HATE the idea they want to investigate funding of a COMMUNITY CENTER with a "prayer room" in it, but as you said, Mike, "that's America". However, I think if so, it would be worthwhile to see who's funding the opposition as well. Too bad they didn't make it public who was funding the Tea Party hullabaloos, too; I think they'd find the GOP (and several PROVEN racist organizations). Maybe that would have made a difference in how people viewed them. Too late for that now, tho', but I'd like to know how people felt about the Tea Party if they knew who was behind it.

Hey, Land of Equality; if we're going to investigate who's funding the community center, shouldn't we be investigating who's funding community centers all across the nation? Or is it just Muslims whose privacy should be intruded upon?

What about Scientologists? The LDS? I'm sure PN would love to know who funds ANYTHING the Jews do...


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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:39 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

- 9/11 ring a bell ?

- Atheists have no religious institutions, thus no such books exist. ( sorry )







9/11 has nothing to do with this issue. It's a dog whistle for a bunch of right-wing fascists (and there you are, right on cue!), nothing more.

So in your world, there are only mosques, and no other religious buildings or institutions?

If you're going to pry open the books of a mosque, you need to pry open the books of every church, synagogue, and meeting house in the nation. Let's see who's supporting them, and let's see who THEY'RE supporting.

Or you could just focus on brown people, and continue to tell us all how racist you aren't.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:53 AM

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House Republicans were able to corral enough votes to defeat a bill that would have provided up to $7.4 billion in aid to those sickened by toxins resulting from the 9/11 attacks.
Yeah, Obama and the Dems were FOR funding of the 9/11 responders' health problems, the Republicans are the ones who blocked it. If you're gonna grouse about Obama not speaking up on it, shouldn't you be grousing about the Republican politicians who STOPPED IT??? Obama can't make things happen magically.

I'm astonished there's a fuss about Obama not speaking up, but NOT A WORD ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS WHO DEFEATED THE BILL!

One has nothing to do with the other, in the first place. It's a ploy, and saddens me to see how pavlovian the American people are that they wouldn't recognize the difference, and especially that they'd rail against Obama, who, with the Dems, would have PASSED the bill were it not for the Republicans!

Man, the GOP is GOOD at manipulation! Do Americans just not bother to use their brains?


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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:54 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

9/11 has nothing to do with this issue. It's a dog whistle for a bunch of right-wing fascists...(and there you are, right on cue!), nothing more.





"right - wing fascists ". The term has no meaning anymore, as you idiots use it solely as an ad-hominem against anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view. It's nearly on par with calling someone a 'racist' , because they don't support the massive expansion of Gov't , at the expense of bankrupting the nation. Or for not getting on their knees and praising the Community Organizer OF Chief.

And it certainly isn't in any way descriptive of those who are against the building of a Mosque at ground zero.

Harry Reid and the 9/11 first responders had better watch their backs!





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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:43 AM

KWICKO

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"right - wing fascists ". The term has no meaning anymore, as you idiots use it solely as an ad-hominem against anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view.


You mean like calling someone a "socialist"? You're right - that word has no meaning anymore, because you idiots on the right have used it so often, for everything you disagree with.


Harry Reid and the 9/11 first responders had better watch their backs, because the Republicans are actively trying to kill them, whether by "Second Amendment remedies" or by withholding health care from the sick who rushed to the rescue on 9/11.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:51 AM

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" Socialist" applies.

You're either too stupid to see that, or too intellectually dishonest to admit it. Either way, you are pathetic.




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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:18 PM

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Go ahead, Nancy. Investigate these folks...


I DARE YOU!!!







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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:37 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

" Socialist" applies.

You're either too stupid to see that, or too intellectually dishonest to admit it. Either way, you are pathetic.




Hey, "fascist" applies to the right-wingers at least as much as "socialist" applies to the left, if not a million times more. After all, what else would you call it when they - and YOU - want to specifically target a group of people based on nothing but their religious beliefs and an over-arching fear of "the other"?

Truly pathetic, stupid, and dishonest; yup, that completely sums you up.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Go ahead, Nancy. Investigate these folks...


I DARE YOU!!!







I think she wants to investigate why you and your little "Party of NO" want to keep blocking any attempts at taking care of them.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:48 PM

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I think she wants to investigate why you and your little "Party of NO" want to keep blocking any attempts at taking care of them.


Again, and as usual, you're wrong.

That's not what she said, and that's not what the first responders said.. They wonder why Obama has abandoned them.

The GOP ? They can't obstruct anything. Don't have the numbers.

Hopefully, come November, we can change that, and get REAL help for them, and not the b.s. expansion of Gov't under the false pretenses.


*and you're so utterly far off base on the 'fascism / socialism' issue, there's no point in even trying. You're wrong, completely , from start to finish. Yours was a garbage reply.




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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:16 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:



The GOP ? They can't obstruct anything. Don't have the numbers.





Good of you to finally admit that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd had nothing to do with the financial collapse!

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Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:24 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:



The GOP ? They can't obstruct anything. Don't have the numbers.





Good of you to finally admit that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd had nothing to do with the financial collapse!




Never admitted any such thing.




The GOP didn't have the large majority that the Dems now have. One is not the same as the other.




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Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:01 AM

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LET THE INVESTIGATIONS BEGIN!!!!!!!!!

ALL COWER AND KNEEL BEFORE THE ALMIGHTY PELOQUIMADA!!!!!

BEWARE PELOQUIMADA, OFFICIAL GRAND HIGH EXALTED INQUISITOR OF INAPPROPRIATE SPEECH AND POLITICAL GINNING!!!!!!!


Speaker of the House said WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Are you kidding me?. The woman MUST be removed from Congress IMMEDIATELY (preferably with a barbed hook), put in a straight jacket, and sent off to an insane asylum.

Hey Nancy, tell us about these investigations, will ya hon!?

You can start with Howard Dean, Harry Reid, and about half the Dem candidates, all who have said they oppose the mosque. Then investigate 911 families, then investigate me & 65% of all Americans.

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Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:50 AM

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The GOP ? They can't obstruct anything. Don't have the numbers.
Best laugh of the day so far. That’s such pathetic bullpucky. You know perfectly well that they have tried to obstruct EVERYTHING and have been quite effective the majority of the time. The mere threat of a filibuster has had the wimpy Dems cow-tow; utilizing rules of Congress to stop other things dead in their tracks has done so; and the fact that the Dems weren’t able to “herd their cats” to overcome the filibuster threat, and now are even less able to without 60, has obstructed far more than it’s allowed to pass. How you can even USE that excuse eludes me, since the entire country is well aware that the GOP has used every trick in the books and CLEARLY STATED that was their intent from the start!

Despite the Dems having included things the Repubs have wanted—still getting no votes on anything—and the fact that they’ve proposed things the Republicans ORIGINALLY PROPOSED or backed, you have the gall to actually say they “can’t obstruct anything”? That’s truly pathetic and a blatant lie.

As to the 9/11 responders, Obama hasn’t “deserted” them at all. I repeat: IT WAS THE REPUBLICANS WHO STOPPED THE BILL, exclusively, so it is THEY who have abandoned the 9/11 responders and you know it perfectly well. They could EASILY have voted for the funding; they refused because they couldn’t tack on any amendments. Just to refresh your memory:
Quote:

A bill that would have provided up to $7.4 billion in aid to people sickened by World Trade Center dust fell short in the House on Thursday.

GOP critics branded the bill as yet another big-government "massive new entitlement program" that would have increased taxes and possibly kill jobs.

To pay the bill's estimated $7.4 billion cost over 10 years, the legislation would have prevented foreign multinational corporations incorporated in tax haven countries from avoiding tax on income earned in the U.S.

Bill supporters said that would close a tax loophole. Republicans branded it a corporate tax increase.

So we even know WHY they killed it; they’re protecting corporate tax increases and the closing of loopholes for their private-enterprise “buddies”.

By the way, just as an afterthought, they ALSO blocked improvements in communication for future responders way back in 2006:
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In the same week Americans commemorated the fifth anniversary of the September 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks, and less than two weeks after the anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, Congressional Republicans in Washington are again blocking Democratic efforts to fund improved communications for our nation's first responders. The Washington Post reported today that Congressional Republicans are blocking the $3.1 billion in funding for our first responders, despite well documented accounts of how "the inability of police and firefighters to talk by radio was a critical factor" on 9/11 "according to the Sept. 11 commission."

This stunning failure comes despite the fact that the 9/11 commission cited this as a key failure in the response to the September 11th attacks, and after the same problem contributed to the disastrous response to Hurricane Katrina. But Republicans dropped the "$3.3 billion over five years in interoperable communications grants" earlier this year from a Senate bill to overhaul FEMA, and Congressional Republicans are now fighting to stop the funding and "over jurisdictional" matters.

“This stunning report shows how Bush Rubberstamps like Senator Mike DeWine have made America less safe by failing to stand up to the President and his failed agenda. After twelve years in control of Congress, after the 9/11 commission recommendations, and after the failed response to Hurricane Katrina, Republicans shouldn't need another national catastrophe to give our first responders the tools they need to save American lives. Democrats offer a new direction that offers real security, and real support for our first responders."

It seems that the Republicans don’t care about improving the situation in disasters, and the most recent effort was JUST as successful in doing so as others.


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Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:49 AM

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Guess we'd better add Howlin' Howie Dean to the ' better watch your back, Jack ' list.

I know, I know... more hate filled, racism from the ......Left ??



Dean Stands By Mosque Remarks, Charges Liberal Critics With Being Inflexible

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Q: Governor what’s your position on the controversy surrounding the Mosque near Ground Zero?

DEAN: I gotta believe there has to be a compromise here. This isn’t about the right of Muslims to have a worship–or Jews or Christians or anybody else to have a place to worship where— anyplace at Ground Zero. This is something we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith. And we have to understand that it is a real affront to people who lost their lives, including Muslims. That site doesn’t belong to any particular religion. It belongs to all Americans and all faiths. So, I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit.

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Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:23 PM

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bump

Because some of y'all have salmonella egg all over your faces.







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Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:04 PM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Noted conservatives Grover Norquist and Ted Olson support the mosque.

How do those eggs taste?

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Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Noted conservatives Grover Norquist and Ted Olson support the mosque.

How do those eggs taste?



You tell me. That only proves my case all the more.

But is he calling for an investigation into those who don't agree with him ?

No. That's only Princess Pelosi.

" Off with their heads! "





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Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


No, that's your buddy Newt, demanding to know where all the funding for the mosque is coming from, and who the donors are.


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Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:40 PM

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It would be prudent to know where the $$ came from, if it's known terrorists, who view the mosque as a triumph of Islam over the West, which is exactly why it's being put there in the 1st place.

The tyranny of Princess Pelosi will not go unanswered.

Newt , as a private citizen, has no such power, and would never abuse the power of Speaker. Nancy is truly corrupt.




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Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:56 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

It would be prudent to know where the $$ came from, if it's known terrorists, who view the mosque as a triumph of Islam over the West, which is exactly why it's being put there in the 1st place.

The tyranny of Princess Pelosi will not go unanswered.

Newt , as a private citizen, has no such power, and would never abuse the power of Speaker. Nancy is truly corrupt.



Newt DID abuse the power. Were you high through the entire 90s, or just too stupid to realize what was going on?

He abused his power, was forced to resign, and paid the largest fine in the history of the House. And you'll rush to his defense because your heroes are all criminals.

Peter King is also calling for an investigation into everyone who disagrees with him, by the way. ;)


This community center is being put there because there's a need for it there. There is a mosque there already, two blocks away, but it's overcrowded. They bought this land because it was cheap, because nobody wanted to build there. Apparently Americans are too afraid to actually build things anymore, but get irate when someone else tries to build something.

If you want to investigate where the funding comes for ALL religious institutions, go for it. Propose that law, and let's see where it goes. Otherwise, since you ONLY want to target Muslims, you're just being xenophobic and bigoted, as usual.

If you're still really this upset about who attacked us on 9/11, why do you support Fox News? They are, after all, partly owned by the Saudi royal family, and it was Saudis who were the vast majority of the 9/11 hijackers. Seems you'd have a beef with them before you would anyone else. But no; Dubya kisses the Saudi prince's ring (and lips), and you're all too willing to kiss his ass.

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You're too stupid to even bother with.






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Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:39 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So stop bothering. Stop replying to my posts. I dare ya.


You can't do it. You are simply U N A B L E.


You DO realize that posting that someone's "too stupid to even bother with" is, in fact, bothering with them. Right? You get that, don't you?


As usual, when someone posts up uncomfortable facts that you can't handle, you resort to your usual childishness and name-calling, and then claim that they aren't worthy of your response, and then you run away. So go already. Leave. Don't reply, just leave.

You. Can't. Do. It.

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Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:04 PM

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"Stop replying to my posts. I dare ya."

Hello,

Jesus, Mike, if you would do this to him, I wouldn't even know the man was still here.

--Anthony


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Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Sorry, Anthony.

Thing is, Rappy posts up his opinion, calls it "fact", and says there can be no debate about any of this. So I, rebel that I am, say, "No, there IS a debate about this, and here's why...", and than I post up several FACTS, all cited and well-sourced and part of the very public record, to which Rappy's standard (and only, really) response is along the lines of "Those are all lies, pure fabrications, end of story, you have no case, and besides, you're too stupid to speak to, and your mother smelt of elderberries..."


So I'm not allowed to disagree with his OPINION, but he's free to dismiss readily-verifiable FACTS, and if questioned on these facts that he refuses to acknowledge, his response is basically to stick his fingers in his ears and yell "I can't hear you! LALALALALALALALALALALAALLAA!"

So yes, I'll ask him just to not respond to me at all, if that's the only response he's got. He clearly isn't able to refute the facts, and has no interest in a rational discussion based on facts.

Newt Gingrich has called - several times - for restriction of First Amendment rights, be they free speech OR freedom of religion, or both. Newt Gingrich and several others, including Congressman Peter King, HAVE called for a deep investigation into who is donating money to a church, based SOLELY on the religious beliefs of the members of that church - something they would scream bloody murder about if anyone ever suggested that maybe someone should investigate THEIR funding (as witness their reaction to Nancy Pelosi's modest suggestion to do just that...). These people and more have tried to hold this land up as "sacred" or "hallowed" ground - yet were completely happy to leave it dilapidated, unused, unwanted, and uncared-for for the last 8 years, and have made no move at all to "hallow" any of the other ground in the area, whether it be the "sacred" strip club across the street, the "holy" Burger King which directly overlooks Ground Zero, or the "hallowed" off-track betting parlor on the same block.

The only time they gave two shits about the abandoned Burlington Coat Factory building - or anything in the area (notice that gargantuan hole in the ground where NOTHING stands? That's the REAL Ground Zero, NINE YEARS LATER!) - was when someone decided that the urban blight in the area was becoming overbearing and was a desecration of the memories of all those of all faiths who had died that horrible day almost a decade ago, and they decided to step up and actually do something positive for the neighborhood by building a community center with a pool, a gym, basketball courts, and more, which would be open to all, but which would contain - GASP! - a small "prayer room" so that people who follow Islam would have a handy place for their daily prayers. All they asked in return was the city's permission to build their dream - permission which was unanimously given.

So much for the idea of letting the local and state governments have any say in what goes on in their area...

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Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:38 PM

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Hello,

You spoke eloquently and logically on all points, including addressing (perhaps unintentionally?) the futility of your continued engagements with Mr. Raptor.

You do remember that he said he has no use for me or for anyone who agrees with me, don't you?

What more is there to say? Let the man slip away.

--Anthony



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Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

You spoke eloquently and logically on all points, including addressing (perhaps unintentionally?) the futility of your continued engagements with Mr. Raptor.

--Anthony



That's about the biggest crock of shit every deposited by you on this board. You intentionally have misrepresented Kwickie's babbling ,idiotic, false interpretations and comparisons with any measure of 'eloquence and logic'.

I love how this issue continues to unfold, all because Barry had the incompetence to shove his foot fully into his mouth, that the nation is getting more and more furious. Add to that, how you few sycophants are still clinging to utterly misplaced ideals of " fairness " and "tolerance ", where they absolutely do not apply.

As more and more see this Mosque ( and that's exactly what it is ) issue for what it truly is, a symbol of conquest and victory over the West, on the rubble of the WTC, you only isolate yourselves further and further. Just like Barry Imam Obama.


There's no fixing stupid, and you folks are flat out broke.




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Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:59 PM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

You spoke eloquently and logically on all points, including addressing (perhaps unintentionally?) the futility of your continued engagements with Mr. Raptor.

--Anthony



That's about the biggest crock of shit every deposited by you on this board. You intentionally have misrepresented Kwickie's babbling ,idiotic, false interpretations and comparisons with any measure of 'eloquence and logic'.

I love how this issue continues to unfold, all because Barry had the incompetence to shove his foot fully into his mouth, that the nation is getting more and more furious. Add to that, how you few sycophants are still clinging to utterly misplaced ideals of " fairness " and "tolerance ", where they absolutely do not apply.

As more and more see this Mosque ( and that's exactly what it is ) issue for what it truly is, a symbol of conquest and victory over the West, on the rubble of the WTC, you only isolate yourselves further and further. Just like Barry Imam Obama.


There's no fixing stupid, and you folks are flat out broke.



So you're 100% against applying bullshit concepts like "fairness" and "tolerance" in places "where they absolutely do not apply" - like, say, in AMERICA?

You also seem to be insisting that other bullshit concepts - like the U.S. Constitution, that "goddamned piece of paper" - don't apply, either.

That overwhelming support you think you have? Look behind you; you're all alone.

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Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:05 PM

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70 % of Americans are against this mosque being built.

I'm not alone.

you are.




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Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:15 PM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Fortunately for America, the Constitution isn't a popularity contest, no matter what you might think. This isn't the first time a majority of Americans have been wrong.

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Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:26 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


By the way, Rappy - thanks for proving me 100% correct. I knew you couldn't NOT reply to me, despite your insistence that I'm not worthy of your effort. Kudos on making my point for me.

You keep saying I'm too stupid for you to talk to. So how pathetic a loser are you, to keep talking to someone you claim isn't worth talking to?

If I'm not worth your time, if you can't reply with verifiable FACTS, then just stop replying to my posts. Seriously. Give it a try. Put some money on it, even.

What are you afraid of? Surely you can't be worried that I might be able to sway a few people to my side; after all, I'm far too stupid for that, right? And you, being the super-genius and the most eloquent of debaters among all the posters on this site, you would surely be able to win the day every day, by dint of your superior debating skills, right?

So why waste your time debating ME? Talk to THEM, everybody else on this site. Wow them with your rhetoric. Slay them with your rapier wit.


Or just yell "You're a idiot!" and run away, like you usually do.


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Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:28 PM

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You know it has zero to do w/ the Constitution, or ' rights'.

I said that. Howard Dean has said that, as have countless others. But you keep hoisting that straw man argument up, because you know you've lost this debate, and it wasn't ever close.


Most recent time the majority of Americans were wrong?

Nov 4, 2008.




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Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:47 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You know it has zero to do w/ the Constitution, or ' rights'.

I said that. Howard Dean has said that, as have countless others. But you keep hoisting that straw man argument up, because you know you've lost this debate, and it wasn't ever close.


Most recent time the majority of Americans were wrong?

Nov 4, 2008.



Obama wasn't elected by "the majority of Americans". He was elected by the majority of people who voted in the 2008 election. That WASN'T the majority of Americans. Fewer than 130,000,000 voted, and Obama won by around 10,000,000.

Again, facts. They matter.


If these people are well within their rights, as you've just claimed, then what's your problem? Why do you want the government to step in and stop this?

Would you protest a church near the site of the former Murrah Federal Building? (And why didn't you?)

Why aren't you protesting the Muslim employees at the Pentagon, who pray there multiple times every day? The Pentagon was hit on 9/11, too, ya know.

You say you don't think ALL Muslims are terrorists. Apparently, though, you certainly think THESE Muslims are, or you wouldn't be pitching such a shit-fit about it. So post up your evidence. Prove your case. Show us all the evil terrorist masterminds behind the 9/11 "mosque".

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Thursday, August 19, 2010 7:24 PM

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It's implied, when talking about 'most Americans' and voting for President, that THOSE WHO VOTED is what is meant.

Even you can't be so petty and anal as to try to play that card, can you ?

I guess you can.

Muslims praying at the Pentagon only proves my point, again. They didn't build anything that wasn't already there. There is no "new " mosque. It's the Pentagon, not a stand alone structure. ( you really are some sort of a nut job, that much is clear, if you can't see the difference. )

Timmy McVeigh wasn't a Christian, so your question about a church being built near the Murrah building is moot.




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Friday, August 20, 2010 1:27 AM

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The Progressives & Elitists are hanging out to dry on this one for sure. New Time Poll says:
70% NYers oppose the mosque
70% all Americans think the mosque being there is offensive
61% all Americans oppose the mosque
26% support the mosque...the typical far-left gang that is for anything that the rest of the country is against. Lets' see any Dems run on that! But please do by all means!!!!!

What else can Dems NOT run on? :

Obamacare? : Dems are not campaigning on that "accomplishment"....57% of Ameerican want it repealed, and all Americans will never forget how low in the gutter the Dems went to shove it down our throats.

Stimulus? : Obama wasted $ 1+ trillion tax dollars, and unemployment got much worse, gdp growth is worse...a total failure...Dems can't run on that either. But please do by all means!!!!!

Arizona Lawsuit? 65%-70% of all Americans support Arizona Law. Obama sued against the will of the people. Dems certainly can't run on that issue. But please do by all means!!!!!

Sheik Khalid Mohammed NYC Civil Trial?: 70% of all Americans oppose, no Democrat will campaign for it.

Oil Spill? 70% of all Americans thought Obama did a lousy job..Well Dems can't tout that one either.

And now, as the economy continues to get worse, and businesses are not hiring due to Obamacare cost fears, the arrogant Harvard Professor Arrogant Elitist Fool In Chief wants to RAISE our taxes! Hey, just shoot the economy point blank in the skull why dontcha! The clueless idiot President went to Nevada, which has the highest un-employement in the country, and actually tried to say how great everything was, and this would be the Summer of Recovery!!!LMAO!!!! Democrats are not going to campaign on the Econonmy, are they?? But please do!!

So all the so-called "accomplishments" of Obama/Pelsoi/Reid are SO in conflict and against the will of the American People that no Democrat candidate can run on them. All they have left is the same old Bush/Republican bashing. The Harvard Lecturer in the White House just led by example as he swooped into Miami, spent tax-payer dollars for the trip to raise money for some Dems in Fla that are all going to get trounced. Then he bashed Bush, and jetted off to hang with the Swells in Martha's Vineyard!!

Then there's the great Democrat Leader Nancy Pelosi. How many Dems want to be associated with her in any way? But hey, please do!!!

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Friday, August 20, 2010 5:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Fortunately for America, the Constitution isn't a popularity contest, no matter what you might think. This isn't the first time a majority of Americans have been wrong.

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Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.





You invoking the constitution in an argument with Auraptor is priceless. Where was your constitution waving during the Obamacare debate? Or anything this administration has done? Gay hypocrite.

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Friday, August 20, 2010 7:47 AM

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Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Once again, it's a community center with a prayer room within it, not a mosque.

They've had an actual mosque right there for 30 years.

It was approved and none of you cared (INCLUDING those on Fox News and others) until a whacko made an issue out of it.

They have the right to build it on land they purchased, just as everyone else does.

The Constitution isn't up for popular vote, and the people who don't want it are not aware of the real facts and are being manipulated by the Republicans as a tool for the 2010 elections: THEY SAID SO STRAIGHT OUT.
Quote:

Muslims praying at the Pentagon only proves my point, again. They didn't build anything that wasn't already there. There is no "new " mosque. It's the Pentagon, not a stand alone structure.
Incorrect in all statements. The Muslims have had a mosque near Ground Zero for 30+ years, they are REPLACING the structure with a new community center which happens to have a room for prayer. No "mosque", no minarets, no outside sign that anyone prays there. There, as well, there is no "new" mosque; they want to build a community center with one room devoted to prayer, exactly like the room in the Pentagon where they can pray.
Quote:

You invoking the constitution in an argument with Auraptor is priceless. Where was your constitution waving during the Obamacare debate? Or anything this administration has done?
Where was YOURS when Bush did away with privacy rights, legal rights and Geneva Convention rights? Nothing the Obama administration has done in any way goes against the Constitution; Bush did many things which were both illegal and unconstitutional. Where were your vociferous complaints then?

You claim “straw man” arguments when you’ve made many yourself; and the fact that people have the right to build on their own land, AND to pray within that building, is in no way a straw-man argument.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Friday, August 20, 2010 8:04 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The majority of Americans were in favor of slavery at the time

The majority of Americans were against interracial marriage at the time

The majority of the military were against Jews serving at the time

Most Americans support repeal of DADT

Most Americans favor legalizing pot

Most Americans favor universal healthcare

Most Americans favor teaching creationism

Most Americans favor cloning

When we invaded Iraq, most Americans were in favor of it

In 2008, most Americans favored the stimulus bill

Nearly 3/4 of Americans think Tibet should be independent

Most Americans favor Afghan timetable

Most Americans favor program to help illegal immigrants

In 2007, majority of Americans thought Cheney should be impeached

Churchgoing Americans are the most likely to be in favor of torture

Most Americans favor stricter gun laws

Most Americans favor needle exchange programs

I could go on and on. I assume you agree with all of the above, and that you think the government should step in and force what "most Americans" feel is right?

I disagree. I believe what people feel TODAY will change in future, which is why we have documents like the Constitution, to ensure that popular public opinion of the time doesn't rule our country.
Quote:

26% support the mosque...the typical far-left gang that is for anything that the rest of the country is against. Lets' see any Dems run on that! But please do by all means!!!!!
Unnecessary partisan sniping; what about the Republicans who have spoken up in favor of the community center...those are a "far-left gang thta is for anything the rest of the country is against"?




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Friday, August 20, 2010 12:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

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Muslims praying at the Pentagon only proves my point, again. They didn't build anything that wasn't already there. There is no "new " mosque. It's the Pentagon, not a stand alone structure.


Incorrect in all statements. The Muslims have had a mosque near Ground Zero for 30+ years, they are REPLACING the structure with a new community center which happens to have a room for prayer. No "mosque", no minarets, no outside sign that anyone prays there. There, as well, there is no "new" mosque; they want to build a community center with one room devoted to prayer, exactly like the room in the Pentagon where they can pray.

You claim “straw man” arguments when you’ve made many yourself; and the fact that people have the right to build on their own land, AND to pray within that building, is in no way a straw-man argument.



They're renovating and making a new structure, so NONE of my points are incorrect.

Pre-existing mosque in the Pentagon, pre-existing mosque near the WTC site. Fine. I have no problem w/ mosques, temples or churches and that's plain to see. The NEW building, however, is yet another outward sign ( 13 - 15 stories and 100? million dollars ) of in-your-face, boot-on-your-neck domination over the infidels.

That's exactly what it is, straight up.




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