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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I see bits of BBC World News and except for the occasional too-pretty reporter, they come off as very factual and even non-judgemental, sort of *gasp* professional...

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Originally posted by charliethebloody:
thats what they want you to think, but really they're sending subliminal messages making you anti-american and causing you to question bush and the war, it's sickening really...

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Originally posted by charliethebloody:
well, yeah, and that's just another sneaky underhand tactic to turn you against them... notice how they don't use the pulse-pounding horror-movie basslines either? how are people supposed to know when to be scared? or when to be angry? the complete bastards.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
....i feel like a sheeple.....

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What about the clear cold fact that the oil is dwindling as we type? Who gives a good gorram who controls those fields in ten to fifteen years? Conservative estimates have them dry in fourty. You're stuck in the past, little one. The future is less crude.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Who really knows how much oil is left and who would tell us if they did?

When I was a freshman in highschool my Physics teacher told us that they were saying there was only about 30 years left of oil reserves left.

By that account, there would only be about 16 years left now.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Bloody....it's cute that you think Europe is all self sufficient and all. It really is!

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I've often wondered if somebody hasn't figured out how to synthesize oil and that's what we're using in our cars now and the oil is simply a red herring to globalize the world. Probably far from the truth, but I don't believe that thought any less than the thought that there's 100 years of oil left, or 30, or 16... etc.... etc... etc...

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Bloody....it's cute that you think Europe is all self sufficient and all. It really is!

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Originally posted by charliethebloody:
oh but they're so witty, how will I ever resist

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
The lack of plastic would hurt us as a society far more than a lack of fuel, in all honesty.

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Originally posted by citizen:
Well, if you'd like a slightly more engaging pursuit that doesn't harm one's grey matter quite so much, allow me to demonstrate:

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The Guardian reports that the polar ice caps are melting, but in reality the Antarctic ice cap is actually growing.

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So the short answer is yes, the cheap oil is running out, that's not the same as saying that all the oil is running out.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
You and I might even see it begin...do you ski?

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Bring it on, buddy. Bring It On. I just bought a new wool overcoat and a clovis point spear; I’m ready for the ice age.

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The sea level rise is usually not attributed to melting ice, though. It’s a generally seen as a result of thermal expansion.

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For a global mean 3.0°C (1.5°C, 4.5°C) temperature rise by 2050 (and with the spatial distribution predicted by three climate models), we estimate the component of sea level rise that is caused by thermal expansion to be about 0.2 to 0.3 m (0.1 m, 0.4 m) by 2050.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Uhhhh, so....more water, basically...

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

The sea level rise is usually not attributed to melting ice, though. It’s a generally seen as a result of thermal expansion.

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I've always heard it attributed to melting ice, not just polar ice caps, glaciers too, but always connected to the water transfering from storage in ice to the sea.

I wouldn't have thought expansion would have that much effect, but I don't know that much about it, I'd be interested to see some links to stuff on that.

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For a global mean 3.0°C (1.5°C, 4.5°C) temperature rise by 2050 (and with the spatial distribution predicted by three climate models), we estimate the component of sea level rise that is caused by thermal expansion to be about 0.2 to 0.3 m (0.1 m, 0.4 m) by 2050.
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hmmm, ok, that's quite a lot, I'm going to look for figures for ice melting...


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Originally posted by charliethebloody:

hmmm, ok, that's quite a lot, I'm going to look for figures for ice melting...

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I tend also to spew venom about how I should exersize more than I do, eat better, write this graphic novel I've been putting off, and remember to take my vitamins on a regular basis, not just when the mood strikes. Is this being 'anti-me'?

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I wouldn't have thought expansion would have that much effect, but I don't know that much about it, I'd be interested to see some links to stuff on that.

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
Just an aside, the things people abroad admired about America was it's self confidence and "can-do" attitude. The general consensus from the 1920's until a few years ago was that an America engagged with the world makes for a better world, not so much due to hard power (though that's handy) but the fact that America could get things done. In addition, at least in the early years the US was seen as an honest broker because it didn't have a 1000 year history of animosity to its neighbours.

Has that changed? I think it has in part because even before 9/11 the world was begining to understand that the US had its own agenda. It was never the case that the US didn't have its own agenda but from WW2 though the cold war it was the same agenda as much of the free world (except France.) Once the cold war ended country's interests diversified and America became both ally and rival to a lot of nations. I suspect that as things go on and climate change and competition for resources become larger issues the distance between the US and the rest of the industrialised world will continue. What's interesting is the continued interdependence between the US and China. Perhaps the Anglo-Sino Alliance wasn't as far fetched an idea as we thought?

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Mr Troll, the builders just called. Your bridge is ready for you.

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I don't know you son (sister), but I'm sure you're very nice. And I'm sure you didn't have time to read all of this, so I'll give you the skinny: I don't hate America, and The Brooklyn Bridge is the only one I would consider living under.

Gotta problem wit dat Chrisisall

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Many people are far too critical of themselves, often seeing themselves stridently as the sole villain in their lives and solely responsible for their failures while unwilling to also recognize their strengths.

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Many Americans are often far too critical of the US, as well, holding a similarly uncompromising one-sided view of America. Learning to accept oneself and finding positive ways of encouraging one’s strengths and overcoming one’s weaknesses is vital to a healthy lifestyle and a similar argument could be made about a healthy political thought and discourse.

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When you view yourself with loathing, you are less likely to appreciate the strengths that you need to succeed and less likely to make the compromises or take the steps needed for that success, and as such you fail. Similarly, when you are unable to distinguish an American president from a Middle Eastern fascist tyrant, you are not healthy either.

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...we may very well fail as a nation, not because we are what some claim, but because we believed it.

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that minor inconvenience they'd experienced with that Austrian fellow.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Looks like you're not the only one who HATES America, Chris. Just look at all those unpatriotic, terrorist-supporting cowards who protested in Washington. Don't they realize that the war is all for their benefit, so that they don't have to live in constant fear of dangers from the outside?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I hate the America that the Bush Administration envisions.
An America that has no problem torturing whom it pleases.
An America that fights wars for economic control and world domination in the guise of national defense.
An America that brands disent as un-patriotic.
An America that allows the President to piss on that "Goddamn piece of paper"- our Constitution.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I hate the America that the Bush Administration envisions.
An America that has no problem torturing whom it pleases.
An America that fights wars for economic control and world domination in the guise of national defense.
An America that brands disent as un-patriotic.
An America that allows the President to piss on that "Goddamn piece of paper"- our Constitution.

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Probably not a fan of Lincoln, Roosevelt, or any other American President who has to understand that their oath is to "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution, not to uphold it.

Lincoln suspended Constitutional rights for millions of Americans, fought an illegal war, and placed the Supreme Court under house arrest. Roosevelt censored the media, restricted commerce, and imprisoned without trial hundreds of thousands. One Republican, one Democrat. The exigencies of war require many sacrifices, including a little inconveniance of liberty today to ensure that liberty is around for all the tomorrows.

I think the real problem is that your all about hate. Hating comes easy to you. You hate what Bush stands for so you hate what he does and you hate those who support him and you hate the good that comes from it and you hate the unfortunate and unintended bad that it causes. You hate every job he created, hate every free vote cast for Bush in America and and free vote cast by Iraqis, Afgans, Kurds, and anyone else who took to liberty from our example or opportunity. You hate every Afgan female freed from oppression, every educated Afgan girl, every drop of Iraqi oil, every mile of new road, every dollar sent, every dollar spent, every person, place, thing, or idea fostered by the American government under President Bush. If we cured cancer tomorrow you'd curse the cure. If we killed Bin Ladden, you weep for his soul. If, God forbid, they killed our President, you'd run cheering into the streets just as you smile for every dead soldier killed serving the America your hate has poisoned you against.

You are a shell empty of hope, devoid of inspiration, and so desperate for misery that you'd crawl through the mud choosing to believe the worst of others to justify the worst you've found in yourself. Shame on you.
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You hate every job he created, hate every free vote cast for Bush in America and and free vote cast by Iraqis, Afgans, Kurds, and anyone else who took to liberty from our example or opportunity. You hate every Afgan female freed from oppression, every educated Afgan girl, every drop of Iraqi oil, every mile of new road, every dollar sent, every dollar spent, every person, place, thing, or idea fostered by the American government under President Bush. If we cured cancer tomorrow you'd curse the cure. If we killed Bin Ladden, you weep for his soul. If, God forbid, they killed our President, you'd run cheering into the streets just as you smile for every dead soldier killed serving the America your hate has poisoned you against.

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