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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Hey Chris.
Every time I start this thread I get a Windows Dialog box about someplace called voltaire.org, that doesn't have a Certificate of Authenticity.

Whass up wid dat?

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Originally posted by Causal:
By the by, I totally understand why the right-wingers among us don't last long on these boards. They're called racists, bigots, and morons and shouted down without any real discussion taking place.

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

I figured somebody peed in the pool.

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Originally posted by kaneman:


Are there any videos of this? I could use an update to my collection.........

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Enough with the axe throwin...

By all means Soup, don't let this derail ya, I am finding it both fascinating and informative.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by kaneman:


Are there any videos of this? I could use an update to my collection.........

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^----Hey everyone, look! A real troll!!

Chrisisall

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Originally posted by kaneman:
I would only add that there is a case to be made that the liberals among us created the built in systematic racism that more people of color{as a percentage} have grown accustomed to rely on. I would say it is more of a socio-economic problem than racism though. Live in any city in the US and watch the 40oz. beers being consumed ad nauseam. Then watch motivation, parenting skills, and self respect go bye bye. Then you can listen to blame "Whitey" or "The man" while the blunts get passed.....PUFF PUFF PASS.......PUFF PUFF PASS........

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
By all means Soup, don't let this derail ya, I am finding it both fascinating and informative.

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Admittedly, this is not my field of training but I've always been fascinated by the history of this country. Especially stuff that never made it into the history books that I was taught from in school. And some of the stuff I've learned puts a lot in perspective.

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Anyhows, back on the topic, the history of racism in this country is quote shameful, but should never, EVER be hidden or glossed over, nor should the perpatuators of it be forgiven in a glossing over of that history, no matter how pure their deeds otherwise.

To do that is to demean any progess we have made since.

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from http://libretto.musicals.ru/text.php?textid=315&language=1
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

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Originally posted by piratenews:

Will Kill For Coke For The Bushes


The Iran-Contra Wiki article censored the fact that the Christic lawsuit used the RICO Act on the Bush Sr White House, and named Bush and his CIA gang as cocaine kingpins and terrorist bombers, and that the lawsuit named Pablo Escobar as Bush's partner and co-defendant. The case was subverted by corrupt federal judges, who banned virtually all discovery in the civil lawsuit, then dismissed the case 2 days before the jury trial, to obstruct justice and perp treason for the Bush Gang. It's also hard to win when witnesses and defendants get murdered. Note that this CIA terror bombings of the La Penca press conference was designed to kill a CIA CONTRA Eden Pastora, not to kill a Communist in the official Sandanista govt. The CIA's bombing ended up killing and injuring journalists from ABC News in USA.

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"'Enterprise' means any individual, sole proprietorship, partnership, corporation, business trust, union chartered under the laws of this state, or other legal entity, or any unchartered union, association or group of individuals associated in fact although not a legal entity, and it includes illicit as well as licit enterprises, AND GOVERNMENTAL, as well as other, entities."
—Tennessee Code 39-12-203, Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations RICO Act

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At any rate, it did lead to felony convictions for members of the Bush sr White House, and Bush lost the 1992 "election", after Ross Perot quit because Bush planned to murder his family at his daughter's wedding. But Bill Clinton-Blythe III (Rockefeller) was his coke partner at Bush's CIA airport in Mena Arkansas.

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"The court finds the actions of the government to be most egregious, indeed appalling."
-Judge Patrick Kelly, Midland Nat. Bank v. Conlogue

Midland Nat. Bank v. Conlogue
720 F.Supp. 878
D.Kan.,1989.
Aug. 4, 1989

CIA cocaine aircraft chased by US Customs and sank in the ocean, so CIA bank and CIA insurance corp sued each other to pay for their doper aircraft. Govt lawyers admitted in court, on the public record, that Uncle Scam knowingly and deliberately imported cocaine into USA.
www.geocities.com/iran_contra_christic_institute

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My dad was on the Dream Team of 100 lawyers suing the Bush Sr White House to start Iran-Contra. He took the deposition of US ambassador Lewis Tambs, who was expelled by Costa Rica for using the US emabassy for CIA narcotics trafficking. He refuses to talk about that case now. When I asked to read some of his historic files, such as public court records, he hired a tractor-trailer shredder truck instead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christic_Institute

Now my dad's on the trillion-dollar dream team sueing Saudi members of Bush & Queen's Carlyle Group for perping the 9/11 terrorist massacres. The Saudi royals and Bin Laden's are defended by Carlyle's counsel James Baker III, who currently has an office in the Jr Bush White House.
www.september11classaction.com/team.html

But the 9/11 victim plaintiffs believe the Bush Gang perped the terror massacres, not the Saudis:

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www.911pressfortruth.com

Our goal has NEVER been to get Bin Laden."
— General Richard Myers, chairman, US joint chiefs of staff at Pentagon, 9/11 Press for Truth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5589099104255077250

“The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. I would like to assure the world that I did NOT plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders’ rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations.”
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

“We've NEVER made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has NEVER been forthcoming."
— Dick Cheney, WhiteHouse.gov, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

"9/11 is NOT mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page. He has NOT been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has NO hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
—Rex Tomb, FBI spokesman, FBI Most Wanted Terrorists webpage, June 6, 2006
www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

QUESTION: "Mr President, in your speeches, you rarely mention Osama Bin Laden. Why is that?"
GEORGE BUSH JR: "I don't know where he is. I just don't spend that much time on him."
— WhiteHouse.gov,

"Operation NORTHWOODS may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. Operation Northwoods had called for nothing less than the launch of a secret campaign of TERRORISM within the United States in order to blame Castro and provoke a war with Cuba."
—James Bamford, ABC News, "Friendly Fire: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba", May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

"We could develop a Communist Cuba TERROR campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal."
—General Lyman Lemnitzer, Jewish Zionist chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon, Memo to Secretary of War Robert McNamara, Subject: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba - Operation NORTHWOODS, March 13, 1962
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

"The FBI has issued a BOLO on suspected terrorists driving a white delivery van from New York City to the Mexican border. The suspects are using ISRAELI passports. They are considered armed and dangerous."
— Emergency 911 Dispatch, BOLO (Be On the LookOut), All-Points-Bulletin (APB), City-County Building, Knoxville, Knox County, Tennessee, September 11, 2001, 11am EST -- Fox News Video

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"Tasks are typically divided into small parts, and no single person can complete any job alone. Moreover, people are generally not encouraged or rewarded for doing other than their assigned jobs or for undertaking actions independent of their supervisors. It is possible for individuals... to do their jobs well and still produce a deviant action. Courageous insiders may blow the whistle and alert the rest of us, or suspicious outsiders may take a careful look and reveal what they have found."
—Professor M. David Erman, PhD and Professor Richard J. Lundman, PhD, from college textbook Corporate and GOVERNMENTAL DEVIANCE: Problems of Organizational Behavior in Contemporary Society



"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, heh heh heh, just so long as I'm the dictator, heh heh heh."
— George Bush Jr, a homosexual transvestite cheerleader, a convicted drunk driver, an AWOL draft deserter demoted from pilot to mail clerk for refusing lawful order for drug test and sentenced to six months extra duty, arrested for theft, vandalism and cocaine (confessed guilt and expunged after paying restitution by diversion), sued for rape and sued for perping the 9/11 terrorist massacres, who performs mock human sacrifice to worship Satan at Bohemian Grove, who ate off Adolf Hitler's Nazi silverware at Yale Skull & Bones, whose father is the narco kingpin of North America partnered with Pablo Escobar who perped terrorist bombings during Iran-Contra and told Saddam Hussein to invade Kuwait, whose grandfather Prescott Bush was arrested and handcuffed 3 times and paid a $750,000 forfeiture under the Trading With The Enemy Act for arming Nazi Germany DURING World War 2, whose ancester Constable Thomas Percy was gunned down and summarily executed for the terrorist bombing of British Parliament in the Gunpowder Plot of 1605 (aka V for Vendetta)
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/piratenewsrss/message/174

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When James Baker was Bush Sr's secretary of state, he ordered US ambassador April Glaspie to tell Saddam it was okay with USA to invade Kuwait.

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US Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie: "I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business."

President Saddam Hussein: "As you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settlement on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a meeting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only this one more brief chance. (pause) When we (the Iraqis) meet (with the Kuwaitis) and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death."

Glaspie: "We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."

President Saddam Hussein: (smiles)
-Videotaped meeting between Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and US Ambassador April Glaspie, July 25, 1990 (Eight days before the August 2, 1990 Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait)



Journalist 2: "You knew Saddam was going to invade (Kuwait) but you didn't warn him not to. You didn't tell him America would defend Kuwait. You told him the opposite - that America was not associated with Kuwait."

Journalist 1: "You encouraged this aggression - his invasion. What were you thinking?"

US Ambassador Glaspie: "Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait."
-US Embassy, Baghdad, Iraq, September 2, 1990

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Iran-Contra was actually Iran-Iraq-Israel-Contra, since the US weapons Bush illegally gave to Iran and Iraq were brokered by Israel.

The only difference now is that Afghan and Mexican heroin production are up 1,000%, thanks to Jr Bush, CIA, MI6 and WWW.SPP.GOV.

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George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography

Chapter -XVIII- Iran- Contra
www.kmf.org/williams/bushbook/bush18.html

by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin
www.republicbroadcasting.org

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According to Dr Tarpley PhD, the Bush Iran-Contra Gang perped the 9/11 terrorist massacres in USA. They are criminals. That's what criminals do when nobody has the guts to arrest them.
www.piratenews.org/911con.html



My job in US Air Force in England was sabotage of US jet bombers, and sabotage of US nuclear bombs, using explosive demolitions (C4 shape charges) and detonation cord. The only way 1,000s of Super Thermate and British RDX bombs could be installed in WTC was with years of work, under full supervision of Sir Rudy Giuliani Knight of the British Empire and Uncle Scam.




"You can't stop the signal! Even when you stab me with that sword, you effin psycho copster."
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
https://video.indymedia.org/en/2007/02/716.shtml
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=8cd2bd0379340120e7a6ed00f2a53ee5
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www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org


Does that seem right to you?
www.scifi.com/onair/

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Frem,

I look at pictures from the twenties and thirties of lynchings. Smiling crowds with children dressed up in their Sunday best. Well those children are still alive. Any bets on whether or not those experiences shaped what they passed on to their children and grandchildren? I watch news reels of angry hateful screaming people protesting school desegregation. Well, those people are still alive. Do you think they passed that hatred along?

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