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In a later update, Tehran has moved to sever all diplomatic relations with Sparta in response to their attack on peace-loving Persian invaders 2,487 years ago. Said President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, "Twenty Persians are the equal of one Spartan infidel any day. We see in this unbelievable tragedy the disguised hand of Bush - and his lapdog Blair."

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Essentially true story of how Spartan king Leonidis led an extremely small army of Greek Soldiers (300 of them his personal body guards from Sparta) to hold off an invading Persian army more than 20 times as large. The actual heroism of those who stood (and ultimately died) with Leonidis helped shape the course of Western Civilization, allowing the Greek city states time to organize an army which repelled the Persians. Set in 480 BC. Written by Jes Beard

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In a related story, state-controlled Iranian media is reporting that the weapons used by Leonidis and his Spartan terrorists are believed to have been supplied by Halliburton Corporation.

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Breaking news from our correspondent in Tehran.

Thanks, Bob. In a stunning development, Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei has issued fatwas against the University of Michigan, Sylvester Stallone, and the town of Spartanburg, South Carolina in the United States. He stated, "By honoring the name of the Spartan infidels, these tools of evil insult our Persian fathers and our God. They must be struck down."

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As a hardcore U of M fan (except during basketball season), I take extreme offense at anyone even insinuating that their mascot is the Spartan. The correct term, if you please, is Wolverine. Spartans are for those infidels in Lansing (otherwise known as Michigan State).

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Originally posted by rue:
Slick,

I keep waiting for the punch line ... are you going to get to it any time soon?

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Here ya go Geezer, go wild.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-03-13-300-iran_N.htm?csp
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Originally posted by rue:
Slick,

Is this the punchline?

"Even some American reviewers noted the political overtones of the West-against-Iran story line — and the way Persians are depicted as decadent, sexually flamboyant and evil in contrast to the noble Greeks."

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You ARE making assumptions, aren't you. TSK TSK

What makes you think I 'constantly worry'? Do you have a problem projecting yourself onto others? Have you sought help for that delusional thinking?

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Before Spartans are portrayed as uber-men in the heroic western mold I think people need to know Spartan men lived together in groups exclusively and never with women. And the men in those clubs had great sex with each other. The Spartans didn't have a whole lot of children who survived, thanks to their bizarre child-rearing practices. Because of that, and despite the massive use of slaves, the Spartan culture died out quite early. If ever a culture deserved the Darwin Award, it would be them.

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Spartan marriage customs fascinated other Greeks, who knew so little about them anyway. ... In fact, in sexual matters, the Spartans, true to their conservative outlook in everything, seem to have had the highest rate of monogamy in all Greece. They undoubtably had a high respect for their women and regarded them as having a greater equality than the Oriental approach to be found in Ionia, Athens, or Corinth. Also, contrary to the attitude that might have been expected among a warrior caste, homosexuality seems to have been little known--quite unlike the Thebans in northern Greece who were to make a cult among their soldiers of coulples fighting side by side together, as in the infamous "Theban Band of Lovers."

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Sorry, Casual.

I forgot that Rue doesn't hold with having the F-word

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in RWED. We must be serious, very serious.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by Khyron:
I find it pretty strange how in one thread Rue vehemently opposes Coulter for calling somebody a "faggot", and here she dismisses an entire culture as a bunch homosexuals who didn't know how to raise children.

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The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

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Before Spartans are portrayed as uber-men in the heroic western mold I think people need to know Spartan men lived together in groups exclusively and never with women. And the men in those clubs had great sex with each other. The Spartans didn't have a whole lot of children who survived, thanks to their bizarre child-rearing practices. Because of that, and despite the massive use of slaves, the Spartan culture died out quite early. If ever a culture deserved the Darwin Award, it would be them.

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Spartan marriage customs fascinated other Greeks, who knew so little about them anyway. ... In fact, in sexual matters, the Spartans, true to their conservative outlook in everything, seem to have had the highest rate of monogamy in all Greece. They undoubtably had a high respect for their women and regarded them as having a greater equality than the Oriental approach to be found in Ionia, Athens, or Corinth. Also, contrary to the attitude that might have been expected among a warrior caste, homosexuality seems to have been little known--quite unlike the Thebans in northern Greece who were to make a cult among their soldiers of coulples fighting side by side together, as in the infamous "Theban Band of Lovers."

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From Thermopylae, by Ernle Bradford, Da Capo, 1980.



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Causal - Quoting Thermopylae does not help your postion - it even states that little is known about Spartan society. This person is making statements based on opinion not verifiable fact.

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I find it pretty strange how in one thread Rue vehemently opposes Coulter for calling somebody a "faggot", and here she dismisses an entire culture as a bunch homosexuals who didn't know how to raise children.

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Just to reiterate what I said, since you seemed to have missed understanding the big words:
Before Spartans are portrayed as uber-men in the heroic western mold...

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Just to reiterate what I said, since you seemed to have missed understanding the big words:
Before Spartans are portrayed as uber-men in the heroic western mold I think people need to know Spartan men lived together in groups exclusively and never with women. And the men in those clubs had great sex with each other. The Spartans didn't have a whole lot of children who survived, thanks to their bizarre child-rearing practices. Because of that, and despite the massive use of slaves, the Spartan culture died out quite early. If ever a culture deserved the Darwin Award, it would be them.

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Boys: Boys were taken from parents at age seven and trained in the art of warfare. They were only give a cloak - no shoes or other clothes, and not enough food so they had to steal (to learn survival skills).

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At age 20 they were placed into higher ranks of the military. To age 30 they were dedicated to the state; then they could marry but still lived in barracks with other soldiers.

The men lived most of their lives in military barracks.

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As to 'how many' children were set out to die fromn exposure, it was enough that the particular cliff has the bones of thousands of infacts at its bottom. (I'll have to find the source for that.)

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I had and have sources of information as well. Now your sources and my sources may not say the same thing. But my posts are, as usual, researched and fact-based. And my sources are credible.

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I wish you would give him the courtesy of calling him by his name, instead of this demeaning nickname (that no one else bothers to use, anyway). Calling him “Slick” just isn't very nice, and it doesn’t seem to promote open dialogue, nor a friendly atmosphere on these boards.

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Re-edited to add: when did this thread go from funny to snarky? Oh, wait, we're in RWED, where people disagree with each on the basis of who the other person is, not the argument they're making. Maybe we should petition Haken to change the name of the forum to "Real World Ad Hominem."

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And you won't find 'gay', 'faggot', or any sexual perjorative term in my post.

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That's YOUR interpretation, probably based on your own homophobia. Oh, and ingnorance. Can't forget the ignorance, either.

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Before Spartans are portrayed as uber-men in the heroic western mold I think people need to know Spartan men lived together in groups exclusively and never with women. And the men in those clubs had great sex with each other. The Spartans didn't have a whole lot of children who survived, thanks to their bizarre child-rearing practices. Because of that, and despite the massive use of slaves, the Spartan culture died out quite early. If ever a culture deserved the Darwin Award, it would be them.

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Actually, I appreciate the nickname Slick. Geezer is a master at moving the topic to exactly where he wants it to be.

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