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Originally posted by rue:
Slick,

B/c the Iranians were made into the 'bad guys' by casting them as effeminate and debauched. And the Spartans, the 'goods guys', were by contrast cast into the prototype heroic western mold. Which historically they don't fit.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

Spartans were not big players in the homoerotic camp like many other Greeks, but most Greeks didn’t accept it nearly as much as some people today want to believe. There was no wide consensus among classical Greek City-states.

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Originally posted by Causal:
Well, and there's the whole thing, I think. There was no "Greece" in 480 BCE the way there is today.

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Originally posted by rue:
Slick et al

Let's see. If I find Slick's posts funny I'm allowed to comment on them. If I don't, then I'm not allowed to comment. Are those the rules? I just want to know.

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Causal - Quoting Thermopylae does not help your postion - it even states that little is known about Spartan society. This person is making statements based on opinion not verifiable fact.

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Actually, please read the quote more carefully. It says the other Greeks knew very little about Spartan culture--not that little is known about them by anyone at all. In fact, there is a great deal of historical data available on Sparta and Spartan culture. I'm sure that Mr. Bradford, as an historian specializing on Mediterranean military history, would have known and used those sources, and because of that, I'm pretty sure that referencing his book exactly helps my position.

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Edited to add: what historical sources has Rue offered? Seems that Rue is just making the assumption that military men living in barracks can't keep their hands off each other. At least I referenced the work of a scholar.

Re-edited to add: when did this thread go from funny to snarky? Oh, wait, we're in RWED, where people disagree with each on the basis of who the other person is, not the argument they're making. Maybe we should petition Haken to change the name of the forum to "Real World Ad Hominem."

Re-edited to add: it was fun while it lasted, Geezer. Next time, post this sort of thing in Talk Story!
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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Why is someone disagreeing with you snarky? When I get snarky - you will know it.

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Originally posted by Geezer:


Rue, it's an action movie, not a scholarly critique of Spartan vs. Persian culture. Sheesh.

The current Iranian reaction, on the other hand, is a hoot.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by rue:
Slick et al

Let's see. If I find Slick's posts funny I'm allowed to comment on them. If I don't, then I'm not allowed to comment. Are those the rules? I just want to know.

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Slick: In a later update, Tehran has moved to sever all diplomatic relations with Sparta in response to their attack on peace-loving Persian invaders 2,487 years ago. ..."

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Rue: The funniest criticism of "300" was written by Ken Turran. ... the Spartans' leather gear looked like leather speedos and they looked like "unusually fit lifeguards marching in the Doo Dah parade".
Now THAT'S funny.

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Slick: Breaking news from our correspondent in Tehran.
Thanks, Bob. In a stunning development ... blah blah blah
This may never get old.

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Rue: Slick,
I keep waiting for the punch line ... are you going to get to it any time soon?

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Slick: Maybe. Maybe not. Does there really have to be a punchline? If no one else has to constantly worry about the arrival of a punchline and you do, do you have an obsession? Have you sought treatment for this punchline obsession?

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Originally posted by JKiddo:
You know Geezer, I'm actually in agreement with your statement It just seems a bit strange to me that folks who are so upset by her method {"joking"}of demeaning her targets would use those same methods to demean her. If you got a problem with her, act rational, don't act like what you hate. Well said!


But now you're just acting mean-spirited and hostile.

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Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
my brain translates it as:

Tehran Condoms 300

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Err, "Joking" wasn't the method that bothered me

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Originally posted by Geezer:
And in enertainment news, Sylvester Stallone, who played tough cop John Spartan in the Sci-fi/action adventure Demolition Man, has taken issue with recent slanderous allegations against the Spartan people and issued a personal challenge to left-wing web-pundit Rue. Said Mr. Stallone, "Meet me outside Spagos, Rue, and I'll show you Uber-man." The humor-challenged liberal commentator and sometimes stalker has not yet issued a reply. More as it occurs.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by rue:
Slick,

Better keep your day job.

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I'm retired. My day job is to make fun of stuck-up killjoys. I think I do it pretty well.

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Originally posted by rue:
Slick,

Not really.

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I'm retired. My day job is to make fun of stuck-up killjoys. I think I do it pretty well.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
I'm retired. My day job is to make fun of stuck-up killjoys. I think I do it pretty well.

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Originally posted by Dayve:
via Huff Po

Monsters And Critics | March 13, 2007 08:14 AM

Iran on Monday strongly condemned the US film company Warner Bros. over the allegedly 'anti-Iranian' blockbuster film 300.

Javad Shamqadri, art advisor to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, told Fars news agency that the film was an insult to Persian culture and in line with the American 'psychological war' against Iran.

Funny, I don't remember such a condemnation over the 1962 film version - 'The 300 Spartans'

from IMDb...
Essentially true story of how Spartan king Leonidis led an extremely small army of Greek Soldiers (300 of them his personal body guards from Sparta) to hold off an invading Persian army more than 20 times as large. The actual heroism of those who stood (and ultimately died) with Leonidis helped shape the course of Western Civilization, allowing the Greek city states time to organize an army which repelled the Persians. Set in 480 BC. Written by Jes Beard


(personally, i was more insulted by 'Ishtar')

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[...] Some biographical sketches suggest that Qutb arrived with a benign view of America, but if that’s true it didn’t last long. During a short stay in Washington, D.C., he witnessed the commotion surrounding an elevator accident and was stunned to hear other onlookers making a joke of the victim’s appearance. From this and a few offhand remarks in other settings, Qutb concluded that Americans suffered from “a drought of sentimental sympathy” and that “Americans intentionally deride what people in the Old World hold sacred.”

This became the lens through which Qutb read nearly every American encounter—a clash of New World versus Old. Qutb easily satisfied the requirements at the graduate school of the Colorado State College of Education (now known as the University of Northern Colorado) and devoted the rest of his time to his true interest—the American soul, if such a thing existed. “This great America: What is its worth in the scale of human values?” Qutb wondered. “And what does it add to the moral account of humanity?” His answer: nothing. [...]

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Originally posted by Geezer:

I'm retired. My day job is to make fun of stuck-up killjoys. I think I do it pretty well.

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Just released today..." In a stunning development related to the "300" story, the highest of highs...the magilla-mullah of Teheran, Iatoilet Khomaniac issued a belated fart-twat today calling for the death of all survivng members of the band A Flock Of Seagulls." It seems their 1982 hit "I Ran", with it's homosexual theme, is being heard there for the first time(thanks to free Iraqi radio stations) and has sent the muzzy-wuzzies of Iran into another one of their outraged epileptic, body-twitching fits of dementia and death. Fortunately,they at least have some form of recreation to enjoy after a long day of genuflecting and burning American flags & jumping up & down like horny toads.....they can always gang rape a young Muslim girl nearby, have HER tried and convicted of a crime against Sharia...followed by a mere 90 lashes from the whip....that's a real hoot in the zany world of Islam.

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Originally posted by rue:
Well Causal, you've joined the ranks of the assholes. Good for you.

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Originally posted by rue:
Well Causal, you've joined the ranks of the assholes. Good for you.

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Originally posted by Decaf:
I think we should rely on the more general term here. Rue is a heckler. If a stand-up comic tells a joke, the appropriate responses are to laugh, or not to laugh. If it is too offensive to take, you walk out. Those are the rules, but since we're in "no one can hurt me" land here on the internet, hecklers are free to look for places to cause a ruckus and feel important.

In case the parallel eludes you, what happens when a heckler starts up? The comic gets dragged off track and suddenly it becomes an argument between the two of them, the routine left aside, much to 99.9% of the audience's chagrin. The comic sees that and tries to get back into the flow of things, but the heckler won't let him. Either the heckler has to get tired of being an ass, or the comic walks off stage in frustration. I could be off base on this, but it sounds awfully familiar.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Just released today..." In a stunning development related to the "300" story, the highest of highs...the magilla-mullah of Teheran, Iatoilet Khomaniac issued a belated fart-twat today calling for the death of all survivng members of the band A Flock Of Seagulls." It seems their 1982 hit "I Ran", with it's homosexual theme, is being heard there for the first time(thanks to free Iraqi radio stations) and has sent the muzzy-wuzzies of Iran into another one of their outraged epileptic, body-twitching fits of dementia and death. Fortunately,they at least have some form of recreation to enjoy after a long day of genuflecting and burning American flags & jumping up & down like horny toads.....they can always gang rape a young Muslim girl nearby, have HER tried and convicted of a crime against Sharia...followed by a mere 90 lashes from the whip....that's a real hoot in the zany world of Islam.

Congratulations ShinyED......
I think this may be the funniest post I've ever seen on this board or any other I've ever been on. I take it back if it is true though...

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Iranians buzzed with resentment at the film's depictions of Persians, adamant that the movie was secretly funded by the U.S. government to prepare Americans for going to war against Iran.
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The morning newspaper lay on the table with the headline "300 AGAINST 70 MILLION!" (the population of the country). It was echoed by the evening news: "Hollywood has opened a new front in the war against Iran."

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Iranians buzzed with resentment at the film's depictions of Persians, adamant that the movie was secretly funded by the U.S. government to prepare Americans for going to war against Iran.
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The morning newspaper lay on the table with the headline "300 AGAINST 70 MILLION!" (the population of the country). It was echoed by the evening news: "Hollywood has opened a new front in the war against Iran."

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http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1598886,00.html?cnn=yes

Do you think most Americans even know that the Persians are the Iranians?

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Originally posted by Geezer:
I did notice that, in their outrage, the Iranians do tend to gloss over the fact that their Persian forefathers were attempting to invade and conquer Greece. They also avoid the fact that, regardless of the merits of their respective cultures, they got their asses handed to them by a much smaller force.

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Originally posted by JKiddo:
Back in the Ann Coulter thread- which you probably didn't read- there was a group of folks joking about Ann's reptilian hands, big adam's apple, undead appearance, and questionable gender. Geezer came in like a big buzz-kill and took everyone to task for their prejudice against transexuals, blacks, Jews, and gays.... I kid you not! He harped on how terrible it was to have fun at someone's expense based on prejudicial or personal characteristics. And here, he's doing the same thing that he crapped about in the other thread.

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Originally posted by Geezer (Ann Coulter thread):
John Edwards is a bunch of sticks? Well, he always did seem a little stiff...

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Originally posted by JKiddo:
And here, he's doing the same thing that he crapped about in the other thread.

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Originally posted by Causal:
Now, the Iranians are up in arms, it seems, primarily because Xerxes (and, by their lights, all Persians) was depicted as a decadent, self-indulgent ruler, surrounded by all manner of debauchery.

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Gotta love those Persian family values.

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Gotta love those Persian family values.

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Originally posted by JKiddo:
It seems to me that he's assuming that Iranians are religious nut-jobs. Prejudicial because it "pre-judges" Iranian reaction.

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
The difference between Geezer and Rue is the difference between Odysseus and Achilles.

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