The Duke Case Dismissal : Who Deserves What Now? by ShinyEd

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The Duke Case Dismissal : Who Deserves What Now?

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UPDATED: Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:24
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Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:35 AM

Yesterday all charges were dropped against the Lacrosse players..."completely innocent", "no evidence" were the terms used by No. Carolina AG...also said Nifong acted as a rogue prosecutor.

Lots of pundits on TV last night offering all sorts of future lawsuit possibilities. What do you all think? I'd like to see Nifong disbarred first, then sued for every cent he has personally...he has no legal shield on this as he acted irresponsibly and with malice, all in his disgusting, but successful attempt to use the racially charged case to woo black voters for his re-election.
Others to be sued :
Duke University...for the assumed guilty postion they took and their actions
Durham County... same thing
Jesse Jackson...for jumping on the media bandwagon and convicting those boys with extreme prejudice all over the airwaves...slander, defamation of character, et al.
All the Duke professors who signed the original petition asking for their dismissal from school, even before any evidence was presented.
Many others for sure.

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:59 AM

FREDGIBLET

Meh, I think the woman who filed the complaint should be locked up and Nifong should be at least officially admonished by the Bar if not dis-barred but Duke was trying to cover their own asses as was Durham. Jesse Jackson on the other hand should be hunted for fun and profit.

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

oops

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The woman who filed the complaint should be charged with filing a false police report. I understand Nifong will be prolly be censured.

A prime example of the system gone nuts in some kind of Kafaesque way, and a good explanation as to why habeus corpus and all our other legal protections are required for everyone (including detainees) and the MCA should be repealed.

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:56 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Duke University...
Durham County...
All the Duke professors who signed the original petition asking for their dismissal from school,

Bet the lacrosse guys don't even get an apology from these fine folks. At least Don Imus apologized.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:56 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I admit a lot of this has no interest for me. So, what did Jesse Jackson say?

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:25 AM

SHINYED

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The woman who filed the complaint should be charged with filing a false police report. I understand Nifong will be prolly be censured.

A prime example of the system gone nuts in some kind of Kafaesque way, and a good explanation as to why habeus corpus and all our other legal protections are required for everyone (including detainees) and the MCA should be repealed.

I understand that the girl has a mental illness history, another little fact that Nifong kept from the Grand Jury, along with all the other exculpable evidence that would have cleared the boys a year ago. Instead he presented only what he wanted to show them to get indictments. It is unlikely that the girl will be charged with anything. As far as Nifong...first let the NC Bar dis-bar him, and then the civil/tort lawyers will rake him over the coals & bankrupt him & ruin his life...just like he did to these 3 innocent kids and their families. I didn't hear one attorney, not one...from any political or ethnic side even try to defend anything Nifong did during this 390 day travesty. I would bet that he's planning and plotting right now how to cash out his life & flee to France while he can. That's where all the world's fugitives from justice run to. I also understand there is now a Federal investigation looking into his actions with respect to civil rights violations, but with our Justice Dept. handling it I doubt anything will happen.

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:20 AM

MALBADINLATIN

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Yesterday all charges were dropped against the Lacrosse players..."completely innocent", "no evidence"

What do you all think?

Duke University
Durham County
Jesse Jackson
All the Duke professors.

Remember "Revenge of the Nerds"?...Animal House?...Trust me I'm going somewhere with this...Frat boys have been portrayed as snobby white boys who drive daddy bought porche's and loose the girl in the end to some deserving nerd after doing all sorts of infuriating things...alright, you get it.

Take a little bit of the above, sprinkle in some outrage about a woman raped, and those boys didn't stand a chance. Untill of course the truth came out in court.

We should be happy they weren't put away, but every time someone Google's thier names in the future "rapist" and "Trial" will come up, so thier tough times are not over. Which means there are damages to come. Quantifying and proving those damages is the the key.

When these young men do file a suit, I hope they can get future damages, if that's possible. Where is Hero for a consult when you need him.

"The world is still turning and you're on it....count yourself lucky" My Dad, 2007.

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:21 PM

FREDGIBLET

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
I admit a lot of this has no interest for me. So, what did Jesse Jackson say?

Basically he played up the race card, a lot. I don't have any specific statements but the general idea that I got was that he was saying that if the Duke players weren't harshly punished then it would be proof of systemic racism etc. etc., the standard crap.

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:36 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

You know, I can't help but compare this to the Imus thread. Are people here saying it's OK for Imus but not Jackson? There was so much outrage that Imus might feel some pain for his remarks, I got the sense people were saying he's 'entitled' to his race-baiting. Whereas Jackson was being a bad 'boy'.

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:48 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
You know, I can't help but compare this to the Imus thread. Are people here saying it's OK for Imus but not Jackson? There was so much outrage that Imus might feel some pain for his remarks, I got the sense people were saying he's 'entitled' to his race-baiting. Whereas Jackson was being a bad 'boy'.

The test will be if Mr. Jackson apologizes for jumping to conclusions about the guilt of the Duke lacrosse players, and for his "That fantasy's as old as slave masters impregnating young slave girls" remarks. Please google if you're not familiar with this quote.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:43 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Well finally ! I was asking for what was it that Jackson said/ wrote. I did some googling of my own and came up with a number of quotes, none of which had anything objectionable. Like this for example:

Duke: Horror and Truth

By Reverend Jesse L. Jackson, Sr.
© Tribune Media Services

“Divorced Mother Of Two, Working Way Through College, Allegedly Raped, Abused By Gang.” Had the headline read that way, the fury would have been great. The facts that the police didn’t arrest anyone, that the gang was not talking, that it took two days for the police to search the scene of the crime would have added to the anger.

But that’s not how it was reported. Rather, it was reported that a black stripper was accusing members of the Duke lacrosse team of rape after she and another woman were hired to dance for them at a party. That method of reportage put race and class in the center of the story. Predictably, the right-wing media machine has kicked in, prompting mean-spirited attacks upon the accuser’s character. Rush Limbaugh called the two women strippers “hoes,” and later apologized saying “I regret you heard me say that.” And Michael Savage referred to the alleged victim as a "Durham dirt-bag" and "dirty, verminous black stripper". And, it is in this tense atmosphere that the accuser flees from home to home, fearing for her safety. The players got lawyers immediately, who advised them to talk to no one. Duke University boosters hired big-time legal gunslinger Bob Bennett – who counts the Catholic Church as well as then-president Bill Clinton among his clients – to step in as spokesman for the newly-formed “Committee for Fairness to Duke Families”.

We don’t know exactly what happened that night. Initial DNA tests came back negative, incriminating no one. But something happened on the night of March 13th – something so compelling that Durham District Attorney Michael Nifong was prompted to say, “This case is not going away”. Indeed, he asserts that the lack of DNA evidence "doesn't mean nothing happened. It just means nothing was left behind." The District Attorney is putting the case before a grand jury. And, while unresolved racial, gender and class issues dictate and divide perspectives, these facts are not in dispute.

The players say that they used aliases to hire strippers for a team party at the house rented by the team captains. The accuser goes to school full-time at North Carolina Central, and for the past two months has worked at an escort service to help pay her way through school and support her two children. This was the first time she had been hired to dance for a party, but she expected it to be a bachelor party of five men. She and her partner found themselves in a party of more than 30 white male lacrosse players. The one African American on the team wasn’t there.

We know that the two women were abused. The accuser says they were met with racial slurs, and stopped dancing and decided to leave. “We started to cry,” she said, “we were so scared.” They left, but team members came out, apologized, and convinced them to come back. A neighbor reports seeing them leave and then come back, and confirms hearing racial slurs.

The accuser says once they returned, they were separated and she was pushed into a bathroom by three men, strangled, raped, kicked and beaten. The players deny that that happened, but they immediately retained lawyers and stopped talking. The woman was picked up afterward by police, who reported her as “passed out drunk.” Admitted to a hospital, tests showed injuries consistent with rape and physical assault.

The team was notorious for its gross behavior. 15 of the 47 players had been previously charged with misdemeanors ranging from underage drinking to public urination. After the party one player sent out an email saying that he planned on inviting strippers over and then “killing the b…. as soon as they walk in and proceeding to cut their skin off,” an act he said would be sexually satisfying.

Black women; white men. A stripper; and a team blowout. The wealthy white athletes – many from prep schools – of Duke; and the working class woman from historically black North Carolina Central. Race and class and sex. What happened? We don’t know for sure because the Duke players are maintaining a code of silence.

The history of white men and black women – the special fantasies and realities of exploitation – goes back to the nation’s beginning and the arrival of slaves from Africa. The patterns associated with this history arouse fears and evoke too many bad memories.

Duke University is clearly embarrassed by the incident. The president cancelled the lacrosse team’s season, and accepted the resignation of its coach, who had taken the team to the national championship last year. He convened five panels to look into various aspects of the incident. At Duke, North Carolina Central, and schools across the country students and administrators began discussing once more the combustible realities of racial and sexual harassment on campus.

Durham, North Carolina where Duke is located is not the old South. Its Mayor is black, as is its police chief, and the majority of its city council. It is relatively prosperous, with low unemployment, home of high-tech companies. The largest black owned insurance company is located there as are two black owned banks. There is also poverty, disproportionately African American. And there is Duke, a private school stocked with affluent, mostly white kids, often referred to as the plantation.

But Duke is alas probably no worse than other schools in the way African American women are too often perceived. As Rebecca Hall of the University of California in Berkeley, who studies images of African American women in the culture, states, “Turn on a music video. A black woman is somebody who has excess sexuality….It’s excess sexuality that white men are entitled to.”

In the wake of the Duke scandal, black women across the country report on how often they are harassed or treated as simply objects available to hit on by white men. This image is magnified in our culture – and not simply by white producers, but on black music videos and black networks as well.

The Duke scandal should lead colleges across the country to hold searching discussions about racial and sexual stereotypes, exposing the myths that entrap so many. But it shouldn’t take the brutalizing of a mother of two to raise these issues. Justice must be pursued at Duke. But Duke should not be treated as an isolated extreme – but as a goad to probing discussion and concerted action to lift students above the hatreds, the fears and the fantasies that still plague our society.

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:51 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

This is some of the best news I've heard in a long time. I've been behind these kids since the beginning. Even girls they went to school came to their defense the entire time. If some girl cries rape against you, you're guilty until proven innocient. These poor kids had that compounded by Jesse "The Racist" Jackson and his race card.

Rape claims are starting to sound like the boy who cried wolf now. It's unfortunate for girls who are truly abused that when they make the claim, nobody is going to believe them anymore, what after trials like this and all the other Kobe Bryants of the world.

Sick, sick people looking for their Lotto ticket is all that it is. Law in America is becoming dirtier than prostitution. Filthy evil pigs.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Friday, April 13, 2007 1:39 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Well finally ! I was asking for what was it that Jackson said/ wrote. I did some googling of my own and came up with a number of quotes, none of which had anything objectionable.

How 'bout this one?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12370994/

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, April 13, 2007 2:59 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

DA Mike Nifong issues a "carefully worded" apology to the Duke players.

Quote:
In his first comment on that decision, Nifong said in a statement Thursday: "To the extent that I made judgments that ultimately proved to be incorrect, I apologize to the three students that were wrongly accused."

He issued what appeared to be a plea to the students not to take any further action, saying, "It is my sincere desire that the actions of Attorney General Cooper will serve to remedy any remaining injury that has resulted from these cases."

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=104&sid=1113842

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, April 13, 2007 7:10 AM

FREDGIBLET

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Well finally ! I was asking for what was it that Jackson said/ wrote. I did some googling of my own and came up with a number of quotes, none of which had anything objectionable.

How 'bout this one?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12370994/

That's more like what I remember hearing, he's such a racist dick. I never thought I'd be on the same side as Tucker Carlson...

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Friday, April 13, 2007 10:49 AM

KANEMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Well finally ! I was asking for what was it that Jackson said/ wrote. I did some googling of my own and came up with a number of quotes, none of which had anything objectionable.

How 'bout this one?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12370994/

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Where is Ruse?

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Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:27 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

So where do these young men go to get back their reputations?

And what of the 88 Duke professors who put their names to a public ad in the local paper which essentially painted the school as racist and the lacrosse players as rapists ? Where's their letter of apology ? What reparations are THEY willing to give the tarnished names they helped soil ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:24 AM

CAVALIER

I do not know what will happen to the people involved in the "investigation", but I look forward to finding out. Especially if they continue behaving with the decency and honesty they have shown up to now.

I doubt the members of Lynch Mobs 'R' Us will suffer much. It is not a crime to say something, however much they wish it was.

I doubt the accuser will be charged – mentally unstable etc. I imagine she will keep custody of her children, which is politically consistent, if not logically so.

This will probably go into the textbooks as a classic example of how white men escape punishment for gang raping black women.

The defendants could probably get damages from the County, and a book deal or two.

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