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you should never justify poor behavior & leadership by comparison to other poor behavior & leadership.

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Yea...but...then what will we do for fun around here???? I mean in RWED, 2 wrongs do make a right you know!.

Only one thing though Ed, all sides are doing it, though I can't site the example, you probably do too, correct me if I'm wrong. It happens all the time out there in the world politics, why shouldn't it happen here.

"The world is still turning and you're on it....count yourself lucky" My Dad, 2007.

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Originally posted by Malbadinlatin:
I mean in RWED, 2 wrongs do make a right you know!.

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
(satellites are predictable and thus avoidable)

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Originally posted by citizen:

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
(satellites are predictable and thus avoidable)

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Yeah but you do have to know the orbits, and one would hope the top secret US military spy satellites are, well, top secret.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar

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Originally posted by citizen:

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar

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There's a lot of crap up there Fred, which dot is which?

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Originally posted by citizen:
You also don't have many people that the US will need to recon that has access to that sort of kit.

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Yeah, that's why not just everyone with a radio shack radar set can track satellites, but there are methods to determining which is which. The most basic is just watching rockets that go up and paying attention to whether or not commercial interests have been announcing satellite launches. There are other methods too for instance geosynchronous satellites are almost worthless for spying, SIGINT can be used to figure out which satellites are sending which kinds of data etc. etc. It isn't easy to find spy satellites but it's doable with a fair degree of accuracy.

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Originally posted by citizen:
I submit that it isn't as easy as you seem to make out, if it was the US wouldn't spend billions of dollars designing building and deploying them.

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I work for the military I know what SIGNIT is .

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Anyway I doubt the Russians know much anyway, they've been effectivly out of the game too long,

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and even during the 80's British intelligence was cracking Russian code because they were still using human cyphered Russian morse long after NATO had switched to machine crypto.

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I can't really talk for the Chinese, they're more of an unknown variable.

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The other thing to remember is that it is entirely possible to produce an unbreakable cypher, just not particularly practical for most communications.

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If I were an intelligence agency I'd be sending up my spy satellites as part of civilian satillites or military ones, or just you know, lie.

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Is anyone going to go up there and check that that brand new professional baseball satellite has actually got spysat™ stickers on it?

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Not that I know whether or not that's actually how they do it, but it's how I'd do it, you can't hide from every satellite in the sky even using Tom Clancy's Patriot Games tricks.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
How can America, England, & the world just sit by and let it happen again?

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
We are? I'm not...you're not. What the hell was the UN created for if not this? Are we AFRAID of these Junga-Muslim mutherfuggers?

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How can America, England, & the world just sit by and let it happen again?

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
screw them! Humanity comes first!

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Practically unbreakable yes, theoretically unbreakable no (IIRC, crypto isn't my area of expertise but I've heard that any reusable system is breakable).

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No no no, we put "You can't see me I'm invisible" and "definitely NOT a spy satellite" stickers on them.

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Practically unbreakable yes, theoretically unbreakable no (IIRC, crypto isn't my area of expertise but I've heard that any reusable system is breakable).

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Any finite key system is theoretically breakable as the key is reused so the underlying entropy of the data stream can remain to some extent, which is why it's also a good idea to use compression on encypted signals. Not only does it make the signal shorter so harder to intercept but it also destroys a lot of the entropy. But yes all block cyphers (such as AES) are theoretically breakable. Though not all practical code schemes are, there are coded messages from Russian agents in the 50's that will never be broken because they use a message length random private key.

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Originally posted by rue:
The US and other countries DO have a very powerful weapon against the Sudanese government - it's called economic sanctions. Unfortunately the US (and other countries) continue a divided approach - decry the inhumanity on the right, and pass money on the left.

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"how ineffective economic sanctions are in actually inspiring change"

It works on N Korea.

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