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Cindy Sheehan says good-bye to America!

POSTED BY: SKYWALKEN
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 05:19
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Monday, May 28, 2007 11:20 AM

SKYWALKEN


It's true. In a column posted on the DailyKos, she writes, "I have invested everything I have into trying to bring peace with justice to a country that wants neither."

She further writes that her son "died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives" and "I will never give up trying to help people in the world who are harmed by the empire of the good old US of A."

She ends the article with the line, "Good-bye America ...you are not the country that I love and I finally realized no matter how much I sacrifice, I can't make you be that country..."

The column is titled, "Good Riddance Attention Whore."

I know a few people who will find that title very appropriate.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/28/12530/1525

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Monday, May 28, 2007 12:42 PM

ANTIMASON


well that was quite an interesting letter there. i am trying to be objective, and displace all my preconcieved media biases(which are largely negative).. so to be honost i cant necessarily disagree with her. i would have tried to take a different approach, but she is does have a point. regarding the war on Iraq, i agree with congressman Paul that our policy ought to be non-interventionist, and i sincerely believe that this is the only way to pre-empt future conflict and warfare. many believe that bad policy over a number of years has contributed to this situation to begin with, so we ought to reconsider our role in the world. and she is just being observant by pointing out that the two parties ARE acting almost too identical

the democrats gained majority of congress because they were critical of the war, but now if youll notice, after their failed political effort of a time line, they have since caved and dedicated MORE money to the war effort! as you can see, they simply want the power to waste the money on their own projects, or more of the same(status quo).

during the republican debates, only Ron Paul was against the war, unlike the other "conservatives", who seemed all too willing to undermine the constitution in order to bipass habeaus corpus, and to continue to pursue aggressive foreign policy. now Bush has given the CIA permission to execute 'black', covert operations to destabelize Iran!

she is making valid points. i think what has counted against her is that she has(understandably)delivered her message too emotionally for the ears of people who are supporters of the war. that and she could probably have better emphasized a solution, which is a return to constitutional government. its hard to resist(i realize), but she came off blaming Bush too often, and realistically congress is just as responsible for the war as the Bush administration. they were almost blindly in lock-step with them, when they should have been executing very critical oversight.

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Monday, May 28, 2007 1:25 PM

SERGEANTX


What Antimason said.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Monday, May 28, 2007 1:32 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Mmmmbuh-bye


Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, May 28, 2007 2:28 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"I have spent every available cent I got from the money a "grateful" country gave me when they killed my son and every penny that I have received in speaking or book fees since then. I have sacrificed a 29 year marriage and have traveled for extended periods of time away from Casey's brother and sisters and my health has suffered and my hospital bills from last summer (when I almost died) are in collection because I have used all my energy trying to stop this country from slaughtering innocent human beings. I have been called every despicable name that small minds can think of and have had my life threatened many times."

She walked her talk. I hope she can go to Canada or another country that has just a little bit more sanity.

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Monday, May 28, 2007 2:29 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Oh, and Finn,

You're the one who says killing innocent lives is wrong. Surely you agree with Sheehan about the war, right?

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Monday, May 28, 2007 2:33 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
You're the one who says killing innocent lives is wrong.
Yes. Yes, I’m the one.

Quite frankly, that exactly how it feels sometimes.


Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, May 28, 2007 3:21 PM

HERO


Quote:
Originally posted by Skywalken:
She ends the article with the line, "Good-bye America ...you are not the country that I love and I finally realized no matter how much I sacrifice, I can't make you be that country..."


I think she wants us to be Venezuela.

H

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Monday, May 28, 2007 3:25 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!


Hero, the voice of conscience weighs in ....

Thanks for the laugh.

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Monday, May 28, 2007 4:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Dude, if I could speak spanish, *I* would likely move there - at the height of it's authoritarianism, even the soviet union did not have as many alphabet agency jackboots as we have now.

I think it's past time we as a country owned up to what we are.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, May 28, 2007 4:14 PM

ANTIMASON


what suprises me is that she decided to leave the country. shed already made it this far, i would have just stuck it out.. and maybe in time her sons death could be vindicated by the changes taking place in american politics. i know i wouldnt leave America, i think our constitution is the greatest contract between man and government in the world, and as neglected as it has become, a big movement is afoot to restore the ideals our republic was founded on, and i find this incredibly encouraging

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Monday, May 28, 2007 4:17 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Dude, if I could speak spanish, *I* would likely move there -
It’s not hard to learn – six months, tops.

Pimsleur has a good program:
http://www.amazon.com/Spanish-I-Pimsleur-Language-Program/dp/067131592
7

One way ticket to Caracas is only about $500.
http://travel.travelocity.com



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, May 28, 2007 6:19 PM

PIRATECAT


Sad deal there, the lady has not been able to get over her son being killed in action. I never bashed her thought the neo cons should have left her alone and the dems just used her. Just a sad deal.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Monday, May 28, 2007 7:22 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Finn

"Yes. Yes, I’m the one.
Quite frankly, that exactly how it feels sometimes."

But only when the innocent life is unborn in the US - right?

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Monday, May 28, 2007 7:25 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
But only when the innocent life is unborn in the US - right? :wunk:
Sure. What ever you say.


Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, May 28, 2007 10:42 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Yes, yes, I know ...: pats Finn on head : we've all read your endless font of compassion for christian lives.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:39 AM

SERGEANTX


Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Dude, if I could speak spanish, *I* would likely move there -


Stick around Frem. We're gonna run the fascist chickenshits out of town with pitchforks. It'll be fun. Afterwards, we'll through a party.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:28 AM

FREMDFIRMA


I'll bring the tar, you bring the feathers...

Frankly and brutally tho, I don't think the rest of america's got the frickin balls no more to do it.

If they ain't willing to run em out of town on a rail, they deserve the bastards.

-Frem

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:40 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Yes, yes, I know ...: pats Finn on head : we've all read your endless font of compassion for christian lives.

How about all life in general? Most of the innocent lives being taken in Iraq now are a direct result of sectarian violence. I used the analogy before and it still fits IMHO. It is like saying it is okay to loot the electronics store because a hurricane blew out the front windows. Is there no one who can or will stand up and say this is wrong, we should put an end to this?
Do you wish that Saddam was back in control? Iraq being run into the ground by a small, wealthy rulling elite? And if yes, why is that okay in Iraq but not the U.S.?

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 5:10 AM

SERGEANTX


Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Do you wish that Saddam was back in control? Iraq being run into the ground by a small, wealthy rulling elite? And if yes, why is that okay in Iraq but not the U.S.?


The way I see it, our responsibility as a citizens is, primarily, to keep our own nation in proper working order. The conditions in Iraq are, ultimately, up to the Iraqis. If they want a 12th century theocracy, fine. Let 'em have at it. I don't care.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Iraq being run into the ground by a small, wealthy rulling elite? And if yes, why is that okay in Iraq but not the U.S.?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... ahahaha... mmphhh!.... giggle... heh heh heh

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
what suprises me is that she decided to leave the country. shed already made it this far, i would have just stuck it out.. and maybe in time her sons death could be vindicated by the changes taking place in american politics. i know i wouldnt leave America, i think our constitution is the greatest contract between man and government in the world, and as neglected as it has become, a big movement is afoot to restore the ideals our republic was founded on, and i find this incredibly encouraging
The Constitution isn't the problem, nor is it the solution. You can't fight the media. And the media, as the whore for the rest of the corporate world, has taught us to be satisfied with bread and circuses (credit cards and stupid TV shows).

ETA: It seems that the Deomcratic vote to approve funding without timelines was the last straw. The Deomcratic Party is - for the most part- corrupt. (As is the Republican Party.) Too bad we won't see a Ron Paul/ Russ Feingold ticket anytime soon. Also, I haven't read anything about her leaving the country. I can't access Daily Kos at work (profanity).
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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:42 AM

CREVANREAVER


Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
The conditions in Iraq are, ultimately, up to the Iraqis. If they want a 12th century theocracy, fine. Let 'em have at it. I don't care.


Same here. Congressman Paul has it right. The domestic policies of other country's are none of our business, just as our domestic policies are none of their business.

Isolationism is Americanism. It's what true American patriots expouse. Adventurism, internationalism, and foreign aid are all the precepts of anti-Americanism!

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:34 PM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
The Constitution isn't the problem, nor is it the solution. You can't fight the media. And the media, as the whore for the rest of the corporate world, has taught us to be satisfied with bread and circuses (credit cards and stupid TV shows)


If you eat at McDonalds, shop at WalMart, drink coffee at Starbucks, and buy clothes at Target...not only are you boring, but you're the problem with America. It's not the media, it's the American people. Same with the corporate world, they give us what we want. And right now...what WE want are some shitty things. Republicans still think WE want revenge for 911. The corporations think we just want everything faster and cheaper, and they're right. We want the rest of the world to be free and democratic with free enterprise, now cheap competition is our enemy. Remember the old Chinese curse "May you get what you wish for"

It's amazing how much panic one honest man can spread among a multitude of hypocrites

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:46 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"they give us what we want"

They give is what we're taught to want. The person who dies with the most toys wins, the amount of stuff you have is the measure of your worth (this being a meritocracy of course), to the victor belongs the spoils, and all that crap.

Too bad people can't spend a year or so in an different culture and get a clue.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:57 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Siggy ? Feingold ? errr..

Ron Paul/Mike Gravel on a split ticket, now there ya go!

Not real fond.. of Feingold, or Kucinich anymore for that matter, I can't stand folk who don't believe in self defense, they're welcome to their opinion but damned if i share it, or would vote for it.

-Frem

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:32 PM

ANTIMASON


Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:

The way I see it, our responsibility as a citizens is, primarily, to keep our own nation in proper working order. The conditions in Iraq are, ultimately, up to the Iraqis. If they want a 12th century theocracy, fine. Let 'em have at it. I don't care.


exactly!

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:26 PM

HKCAVALIER


Quote:
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
If you eat at McDonalds, shop at WalMart, drink coffee at Starbucks, and buy clothes at Target...not only are you boring, but you're the problem with America.

I've never eaten at McDonalds in my life (true story), never shopped at WalMart, don't drink coffee, and I only buy tp and kitty litter at Target! I'm not part of the problem with America! Yay me!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:27 PM

SERGEANTX


Quote:
Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
Isolationism is Americanism. It's what true American patriots expouse. Adventurism, internationalism, and foreign aid are all the precepts of anti-Americanism!


I really wouldn't go that far. And I don't think RP is suggesting as much. Isolationism usually refers to countries that don't want to have anything to do with the outside world. That kind of extreme position is just as dangerous as the interventionist policies we're now pursuing. I was, for example, in favor of invasion of Afghanistan. And I see nothing wrong with regular cooperation with other nations to promote trade and the general welfare.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:46 AM

KANEMAN


Ruse..
"The person who dies with the most toys wins, the amount of stuff you have is the measure of your worth (this being a meritocracy of course), to the victor belongs the spoils, and all that crap."

Crap! What do you mean crap? This is SO true, unless of course, you are a limp wristed, peace-pipe smoking, capitalism hating, America hating, degenerate bath-house attending, dildo......Well, in my book anyway...........

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:47 AM

KANEMAN


"Ron Paul/Mike Gravel on a split ticket, now there ya go!" - FREM


I'm in..........

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Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:19 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The person who dies with the most toys wins
But, you're still dead. What did the toys get you?

The amount of stuff you have is the measure of your worth
So basically Albert Einstein was less worthy than Bill Gates. With that kind of mind-set, how do we advance?

To the victor belongs the spoils
Sad but true.
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Quote:
Crap! What do you mean crap? This is SO true, unless of course, you are a limp wristed, peace-pipe smoking, capitalism hating, America hating, degenerate bath-house attending, dildo......Well, in my book anyway....
Kaneman you have a weird sense of humor.

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