I don't know where bin Laden is and I don't care by rue

Oh joy, Adam Pearlman again.

Yeah, that's his name, Adam Pearlman, his dad's a freakin hippy and his grandaddy an ADL boardmember, just so you know.

The boy is an attention whore, allright ?
He has zero connections to any actual organisations of any kind, save maybe american alphabet orgs, and some time ago I ran down his address, people, if *I* know where he lives, certainly the Feds do.

This kid is nothing more than an ego stroking attention whore talking shit, that the federales turn a blind eye to cause it justifies their budgets and ruinous rights violations and gives them a "hobgoblin" to hold up as an excuse.

It's bullshit.
HE'S bullshit.

And the notion that "al-qeada" is giving this apartment-dwelling loser orders is so pathetically laughable it's just downright silly.

The person we're supposed to be so afraid of is a punk kid who can barely hold a subsistence level job and has few if any friends due to a bad case of narccistic personality disorder, whos threat value to us as a whole and individually is less than a single friggin mosquito.

As for Bin Laden, he's dead, been dead since late 2001/early 2002 of kidney failure, but admitting that would take away one of the bogeymen they wish to scare us with, so he's become the modern day incarnation of Emmanuel Goldstein.

If they wanted to hold up a scary boogeyman, maybe they oughta try Cheney, ehe ?
Given the fact that he's so evil that people prefer Bush instead of impeaching his ass cause then we'd have Cheney.

I am not afraid of their damn boogeymen, if I fear anything at all it's the assholes holding them up and trying to scare us with them, really.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 4:55 AM

KANEMAN

"If they wanted to hold up a scary boogeyman, maybe they oughta try Cheney, ehe ?
Given the fact that he's so evil that people prefer Bush instead of impeaching his ass cause then we'd have Cheney."

Funny but true..........Oh, actually kinda scary!

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 10:19 AM

LEADB

Cheney being vice president was a very clever approach for Bush to take. I know I -always- think about that when thinking how nice it would be to have Bush out. Really, we need to find a way to take Cheney first.

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 11:40 AM

MALBADINLATIN

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Originally posted by leadb:
Cheney being vice president was a very clever approach for Bush to take. I know I -always- think about that when thinking how nice it would be to have Bush out. Really, we need to find a way to take Cheney first.

I know this is changing the subject of RUE's thread, and I apologize for that, but has anyone else noticed how the Republicans are getting all cannibalistic on Goerge Bush because of immigration? It reminds me of those spiders from Lost in Space how they eat thier own injured. Even Rush Linbaugh was talkin crap. People who would have hung you by the neck for treason if you bad mouthed the commander in chief last year, are talking crap now too. Many analogies come to mind, like the rats on the Titanic...gosh I could go on but....

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 3:27 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

So al-Qaeda is no longer a threat? We'll see, I guess.

BTW, I think the Patriot Act was the worst piece of legislation ever visited on US liberties. But attacking Iraq, and staying claiming we have to 'fight them there so we don't have to fight them here', was and is abysmally stupid in an abysmally stupid GWOT.

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 3:39 PM

Well, as an organised, heirchal (sp?) group, there's no such thing and never was.

Al-qaeda is actually an americanized derogatory slang for a general movement of folks that don't like us very much, rather than any specific collective, a catch-all for a whole slew of various creepers who'd kill each other just as quick as us, and who mostly do just that cause we are generally out of their reach, you see.

For about 98% of em, that's the limit of it, until we do something abysmally stupid like come over there and present ourselves as handy popup targets for easy disposal, but we'd never be THAT stupid, now would we ?

-F

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 4:22 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"Al-qaeda is actually an americanized derogatory slang for a general movement of folks that don't like us very much"

I happen to think they really did get flight training, box cutters and one-way tickets - not so much with the aid of US agencies as with their blind eye. So IMO al-Qaeda isn't a empty sock-puppet to scare us with.

"until we do something abysmally stupid like come over there and present ourselves ... but we'd never be THAT stupid, now would we ?" Nah - never happen in a million years. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ...

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Friday, June 8, 2007 2:45 AM

REAVERMAN

I believe that there is an Al Qaeda Organization, but it isn't the global monstrosity the Bushites have made it out to be. It's probably a moderately powerful group of folks, now without their main training and supply source (Afganistan), that find themselves being blamed for the actions of a boatload of other groups, and, being the idealistic attention whores that all religious extremists are, they claim responsibility for as much as they can. And the current administration is happy to let them, so they can scare the rest of us with a globe-spanning conspiracy of evil bogeymen who wish us all dead or converted (but mostly dead).

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"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"

- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth

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Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:00 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070613/us_nm/security_usa_extremism_dc;_y
lt=AnPWQ38xftVzoW_p9x.tb1Ws0NUE

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Violent Muslim, Christian and Jewish extremists invoke the same rhetoric of "good" and "evil" and the best way to fight them is to tackle the problems that drive people to extremism, according to a report obtained by Reuters.

It said extremists from each of the three faiths often have tangible grievances -- social, economic or political -- but they invoke religion to recruit followers and to justify breaking the law, including killing civilians and members of their own faith.

The report was commissioned by security think tank EastWest Institute ahead of a conference on Thursday in New York titled "Towards a Common Response: New Thinking Against Violent Extremism and Radicalization." The report will be updated and published after the conference.

The authors compared ideologies, recruitment tactics and responses to violent religious extremists in three places -- Muslims in Britain, Jews in Israel and Christians in the United States.

"What is striking ... is the similarity of the worldview and the rationale for violence," the report said.

It said that while Muslims were often perceived by the West as "the principal perpetrators of terrorist activity," there are violent extremists of other faiths. Always focusing on Muslim extremists alienates mainstream Muslims, it said.

The report said it was important to examine the root causes of violence by those of different faiths, without prejudice.

"It is, in each situation, a case of 'us' versus 'them,"' it said. "That God did not intend for civilization to take its current shape; and that the state had failed the righteous and genuine members of that nation, and therefore God's law supersedes man's law."

"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."

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Sunday, June 17, 2007 2:22 PM

Ergo my dislike for "Religious nutters" in general.

They'll kill 'heretics' given half a chance, and while focusing on muslim fanatics, you miss people like William Krar, and that can and will come back to bite us on the ass one day.

-F

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Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:28 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

So, not knowing who William Krar was, I had to look it up.

"HOUSTON – It began as a misdelivered envelope and developed into the most extensive domestic terrorism investigation since the Oklahoma City bombing.
Last month, an east Texas man pleaded guilty to possession of a weapon of mass destruction. Inside the home and storage facilities of William Krar, investigators found a sodium-cyanide bomb capable of killing thousands, more than a hundred explosives, half a million rounds of ammunition, dozens of illegal weapons, and a mound of white-supremacist and antigovernment literature."

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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."

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Sunday, June 17, 2007 4:46 PM

Krar ain't even but the half of it Rue, they've knocked down over a half dozen of these pyschos but it never makes the news cause they're the wrong color for the agenda, and folks like Krar share a similar ideology to the neocons, so they're not pursued quite as vigorously.

Look at how hard they tried to pin the Ft Detrick Anthrax on an egyptian who had nothing to do with it, while ignoring the fact that every scrap of evidence points to Zack instead.

So in our self-imposed blindness, we're all too likely to be blindsided, and when and if such a thing happens, they'll scramble like hell to try at all costs to pin it on muslim extremists.

That kind of blindness is dangerous.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, June 17, 2007 6:16 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

wow, I did some googling as well....

Very scary

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Friday, June 22, 2007 6:52 PM

Yet another for wrong color, wrong religion, so we'll just pretend it didn't happen basket.

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/06/ronald-swerleins-out-on-bail
-and-going.html

Whitey gets bail, Arab gets gitmo, nope, no double standard here, move along, move along, nothing to see.

And all our spooks spend so goddamn much time illegally harrassing decent folk, it took repeated complains to police by pissed off neighbors to get them to leave off harrassin motorists at their illegal checkpoints and get on the freakin ball here.

Blood wonderful.
And no, i'm not kidding about our spooks either.
http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/0622-01.htm
From their very inception, none of our alphabet orgs has been one whit of use in their assigned function, but ten tons of hassle for the folks they're supposed to be protecting - one more reason to vote Ron Paul cause for damn sure he'll gut these bastards to the bone, if he can.

Think about how much of your tax dollar goes into spying on and harrasing you, me, and john q public, while not according us even one ounce of additional security.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:49 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Whitey gets bail, Arab gets gitmo, nope, no double standard here, move along, move along, nothing to see.

There is also no terrorist plot. He is charged with possession of explosives, not intent to use them.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 7:42 AM

Not the point.

Do you *really* think that if this guy was an Arab we wouldn't have "AUTHORITIES FOIL TERRORIST BOMBING PLOT" all over the news, no matter how tenous the data was, complete with spin, distortions and outright bullshit ?

Do you think they'd get bail, and so easily ?

While it's naught more than speculation, I suspect he surely didn't have any hand in directly bombing anyone - but my suspicion is that he was building them for someone who did.

An actual investigation would be nice, but since he's the wrong color and religion, I doubt they'll bother.

And that is my whole issue with it, nutters who wanna blow things up come in every flavor, and this tunnel vision is gonna cause a slip up, screw up, or what have you - and people are gonna die, more than likely.

I have a rather large beef with that, and would like to prevent it in so much as these things can be prevented while operating within the law.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 7:58 AM

I think that authorities would have to believe there was some intent to use these explosives for malicious means before there would be a terrorist plot. Were he an Arab, or more accurately a Muslim, then that could be a clue for the authorities to carefully consider whether he was involved with any Mulsim extremist movements given the current political climate, but in the end, regardless of this man’s nationality or religion, authorities should not, and likely would not, charge him with intent if there is no intent to charge him with.

And he was released on bail, which means the charges have not been dropped. There very likely is an investigation that is ongoing.

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:06 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

I apologize ahead of time to everyone for this completely unrelated post. Please disregard and carry on your conversation.

Frem. Do you get PM's when I'm sending them? I never get a reply. I get your PMs. I don't know if I'm doing it right.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:16 PM

You know, I was actually gonna try yet another reasonable response, but forget it, you just don't get it, you don't wanna get it.

If people are not treated equally under the law, than it is not law but rather a tool of malicious mischeif, and it's doublestandard application is gonna boomerang, and it's gonna be too late for some people, but you know what ?

At this point, since most folk are as blind as you, I don't really care anymore, the burned hand teaches best - my primary concern at this point is not winding up a victim of the stupidity of the rest of ya.

Frankly, mostly due to folks like you, my sympathy for fellow americans hovers maybe a decimal point above jack and diddly.

And the fact that I am square in the sights of the backlash caused by folks like this makes me rather hateful, so imma just leave it at that, don't expect any sympathy from me when one of these homegrown goons we try so damn hard to ignore slips through and does something awful.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 5:13 AM

CANTTAKESKY

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Well, as an organised, heirchal (sp?) group, there's no such thing and never was.

Al-qaeda is actually an americanized derogatory slang for a general movement of folks that don't like us very much, rather than any specific collective, a catch-all for a whole slew of various creepers who'd kill each other just as quick as us, and who mostly do just that cause we are generally out of their reach, you see.]

THANK YOU.

They were a bunch of low-rent loser wannabes for whom an international recruitment campaign was launched by the USA, so that we can have a new "enemy." Nowadays, I don't know just how much clout they have since they've gotten so much help from us. Even the most pathetic group of people can pose a terrorist threat if they are adequately supported by an economic superpower.

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If they wanted to hold up a scary boogeyman, maybe they oughta try Cheney, ehe ?
Given the fact that he's so evil that people prefer Bush instead of impeaching his ass cause then we'd have Cheney.

ROFL. That is great.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
And the fact that I am square in the sights of the backlash caused by folks like this makes me rather hateful, so imma just leave it at that, don't expect any sympathy from me when one of these homegrown goons we try so damn hard to ignore slips through and does something awful.

I don’t know what backlash you’re talking about, but I really don’t think this is a good enough reason, for me, to start prosecuting people for crimes there’s no evidence they committed.

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Well, as an organised, heirchal (sp?) group, there's no such thing and never was.

Al-qaeda is actually an americanized derogatory slang for a general movement of folks that don't like us very much, rather than any specific collective, a catch-all for a whole slew of various creepers who'd kill each other just as quick as us, and who mostly do just that cause we are generally out of their reach, you see.]
THANK YOU.

They were a bunch of low-rent loser wannabes for whom an international recruitment campaign was launched by the USA, so that we can have a new "enemy." Nowadays, I don't know just how much clout they have since they've gotten so much help from us. Even the most pathetic group of people can pose a terrorist threat if they are adequately supported by an economic superpower.

Al Qaeda is a not figment of imagination; it is quite real. And for a while even had an identifiable headquarters. These days, it is, for its own protection, heavily shrouded in secrecy, but it’s quite real and very much a threat.

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 5:54 PM

CANTTAKESKY

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Al Qaeda is a not figment of imagination; it is quite real.

That they exist is not in dispute.

We disagree on how organized and how competent Al-Qaeda is, or was at the time of 9/11. The official story is they were organized and competent enough to execute 9/11 and other terrorist plots since. My opinion is that Al-Qaeda was a molehill that we made a mountain out of in order to have a convenient enemy to blame for 9/11. That is, the official story exaggerated their organization and competence.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:04 PM