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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
If you are ages 18-30....And you're in favor of the war in Iraq, you have a moral obligation to enlist right now. And don't give me any of that stuff about the family you just started, plenty of our boys have given thier lives and had infants at home. People are dying right now because of your convictions....doesn't that affect you at all? Don't tell me that's not the only way to serve your country...It IS the only thing your country desperatly needs from you right now. You keep saying your country is in such peril from the people our brave boys face in the streets of Baghdad!.....Why are you pro war young people still sitting while people fight, suffer, and die in your stead.

Pro War Young People...go save Iraq yourself!

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Originally posted by rue:
How about you Rap ?

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Originally posted by rue:
How about you Rap ?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What makes you think that's not happening now already?

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Originally posted by rue:
How about you Rap ?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
How about me what ? Give any credence to this silly thread? Naw....I think not.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh BTW the age of service (at least for the Army) is 18-45. It's not too late Rap! You too, Hero, Bigdamnnobody, Skywalken, and Jongsstraw! Unless you've got some really good excuse- like, you're blind- your next post should be from basic training.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh BTW the age of service (at least for the Army) is 18-45. It's not too late Rap! You too, Hero, Bigdamnnobody, Skywalken, and Jongsstraw! Unless you've got some really good excuse- like, you're blind- your next post should be from basic training.

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Signy, there's believing, and then there's believing. These peeps believe in the war like Bush believes in God. Like in, as long as it doesn't inconvenience them. Here we see the bulls**t most plainly. There is no answer to these posts they can make that won't make them sound like cowards or hypocrites.
It's worth OTHERS dying for. Yep. Effue too.

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My work is done here...only one thing....where did all the pro war people go?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
How about me what ? Give any credence to this silly thread? Naw....I think not.

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
If you are ages 18-30....And you're in favor of the war in Iraq, you have a moral obligation to enlist right now.

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
My work is done here...only one thing....where did all the pro war people go?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh BTW the age of service (at least for the Army) is 18-45. It's not too late Rap! You too, Hero, Bigdamnnobody, Skywalken, and Jongsstraw! Unless you've got some really good excuse- like, you're blind- your next post should be from basic training.

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Cowards and hypocrites.

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Originally posted by rue:
I don't know what you're talking about. We're talking abut life and death. Specifically, people who want other people to die for a cause they themselves (theoretically) believe in. It's not about the money, or the time, or effort.

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
very few of you are actually willing to do even that for the causes you "believe" in.

But ok if you want to play the dire danger card I'll play. I'm sure you believe in law and order, so you're a cop right? You expect someone to risk their lives rescuing you from a fire so obviously you yourself are a volenteer firefighter?
No?
So you have no problem expecting these folks to die in your defence but you yourself dont join up. Coward, hypocrite.

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Originally posted by rue:
And now that I have a (very few) minutes - FWIW Fletch my priorities are my family, my job and the environment. So it's a good thing my job is the environment.

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Idon't know how you have time to post from all your humanitarian work in Africa, not to mention all that peacekeeping work you do? I mean you BELIEVE in that stuff right? So you must be posting via your Peace Corp account via satelite from Africa right?

Maybe that's too hot for you, I understand, I won't trouble you again you're probably tired from feeding folks at the homeless shelter?

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Originally posted by rue:


Iraq OTOH was entirely optional. So it's appropriate to test the sincerity of its proponents. Optional for who, exactly ?

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Originally posted by SignyM:

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Idon't know how you have time to post from all your humanitarian work in Africa, not to mention all that peacekeeping work you do? I mean you BELIEVE in that stuff right? So you must be posting via your Peace Corp account via satelite from Africa right?

Maybe that's too hot for you, I understand, I won't trouble you again you're probably tired from feeding folks at the homeless shelter?

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God, now THAT'S a stupid argument! I'm not forcing people, or even encouraging people, to do those things. What I believe in, I do. What they believe in, they do. But I DON'T make others do it for me.

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Originally posted by Hero:
We have jobs. Got paid last Friday. Am planning on buying a new computer and paying for my expensive vacation. About a third of my check went to buy ammunition and flak vests for the boys in Iraq...none went to the National Endowment for the Arts, thats were your money goes if you oppose the war.

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Originally posted by rue:
Wow, you really had to walk a few blocks out of your way to avoid that one. So I'll be explicit, since I want an answer. Rap - since you are all for the war in Iraq, why don't you go fight there?

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Originally posted by rue:
How about you Rap ?
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How about me what ? Give any credence to this silly thread? Naw....I think not.

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Originally posted by rue:
Fletch and Rap,

Both of you appeared to have breezed past my earlier response just to repeat a meaningless argument. Though Fletch tried to divert the point by saying 'all wars are optional'. Maybe he should talk to the few remaining Polish soldiers who fought when Germany rolled over their country. There is such a thing as fighting for survival.

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And, BTW, what does this have to do with asking people to walk their talk when it comes to entirely the optional killing and dying of Iraq ? Not that you'd try to derail a discussion when you had nothing valid to add or anything ...."


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It was concocted in what I think of as the perfect storm of mendacity. PNAC got their ME opportunity, Halliburton got billions of tax $$$$ for nothing, oil interests if nothing else blocked France and Russian development contracts, the rapturites who apparently don't trust god's inscrutable timetable want to make it all happen, there were no WMD (poink poink poink Rap ), there were no links between 9/11 and Iraq ... and on and on and on.

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Originally posted by rue:
Letch,

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Originally posted by rue:
Rap,

"You and I see things entirely differently. This has far less to do w/ PNAC , Haliburton or rapturites. And yes, there were WMD.

It's pointless to deny that, the debate is over."

I used to wonder how you could post these sort of things. But since SignyM uncovered your phenomenal ability to dismiss your senses, science, logic, and most of history, now I know how you manage. So now I don't even consider debating you anymore. You are in your own little folly which is pretty much disconnected from reality. You're not truamatized by 9/11, you've got bigger problems.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Mal, Rue, Signy, Chris
How do you feel about the American forces in Afghanistan?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Afghanistan is a decision I could back, and we had (HAD!!!!) enough troops to deal with the Taliban in a timely fashion with minimal losses. My physical participation was not necessary.

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Iraq, OTOH, is taking a great toll for nothing much, and peeps that don't get killed there just spend years there due to insufficient numbers to relieve them. They shouldn't be there.

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You can't support both the war AND the troops.

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I support the troops and want an end to this war of ours.
Others support this war. They should be fighting it.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

In your humble opinion.

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But they are there and most are in agreement that up and leaving could be more ruinous. I hope the troops in Iraq believe they are there for a very good reason, to help stabilize that country and end the violence.

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"You can't support both the war AND the troops."
Please expound.

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In your humble opinion.

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Originally posted by rue:
"a specific challenge to anything in particular with you, is it ?"

I spent many posts quoting speeches, the Senate Report, and any number of factual data to inform your opinions, which you just ignored. I'm not going to bother this time.

"It's my recognition of science, history and logic ..." OMG, you are seriously delusional. Out of curiosity, did you make it through high school earth science, chemistry, biology and physics ?

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Originally posted by rue:
BTW, this is a sampling of your pattern:

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