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Friday, August 31, 2007 8:41 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I must be really naive - I never noticed

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/08/31/bathroom_sex/index_np.html

When Idaho Sen. Larry Craig says, "I'm not gay," I believe him. But that doesn't mean he wasn't cruising for sex last June when he was arrested in a bathroom at the Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport on charges of disorderly conduct.

Surely any homosexual worth his capri pants saw the loopholes in Craig's televised declaration of non-gayness, amplified by the presence of his wife. Even some straight folks, wised up after the scandals of Ted Haggard and Mark Foley, must have noted that Craig did not add a qualifying phrase like, "Nor am I bisexual," "I've never had sex with a man" or even one of those oldies but goodies like, "Doing what I did doesn't make you gay," "I was so drunk!" or "I'm only queer for some guys."

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Friday, August 31, 2007 9:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I've always figured that Guckert was Rove's little party-toy. The self-hating gay... seems to be a Republican trademark lately.

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Always look upstream.

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Friday, August 31, 2007 10:00 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

You know, the things I read about Ken Lay's sleep-overs at the WH - wet towel spanking, calls for his aides to "get Laid" whenever he wanted to see Kenny - the number of off-hour and overnight visits by Guckert - and so on - the WH sounds like a frat house peopled by teen delinquents with a strong overtone of bath house.

And that seeps into all the GOP stuff that's 'coming out' (so to speak).

PN is getting a little more credit with me the more I read.

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Friday, August 31, 2007 12:34 PM

FREMDFIRMA

As I mentioned in another thread, careful diggin too deep into that, the deeper you go, the darker it gets and you really, truly, honestly wouldn't wanna know - and yes, at the rock bottom of it, the two issues *are* tied together, since you'll prolly suspect as much from my reactions anyways.

PN ain't even half as crazy as most people think he is, but boy he sure plays crazy for all it's worth sometimes, you bet.

Even so, I advise caution, cause when you stare into the maw of the monster, it gets to stare back, and no one's ever the same afterwords - content yourself with knowing that dark substrata is there, and that below it is "worse" and concentrate on making sure none of your own sink into it - that's advice only, as it's not in me to make folks decisions for em, but for me to be holding up a stop sign, trust that it's pretty seriously awful, right ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, August 31, 2007 4:15 PM

REAVERMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
The self-hating gay... seems to be a Republican trademark lately.

Ahhh, so many republicans, so little closet space...

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"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"

- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth

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Friday, August 31, 2007 4:47 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Soon to be 'former' Senator Craig sure does put a different spin on the phrase " a toe tappin' good time ".

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, August 31, 2007 11:25 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

I say execute Larry Craig, for voting for Bush Jr's amnesty for 400-million illegal aliens. No trial allowed at Gitmo, just waterboarding until sudden death.

Senator Larry Craig Arrest Reenactment

Dragnet: Senator Larry Craig's arrest

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"I don't trust government. And neither should our citizens."
—US Senator Larry Craig, United States Senate, Committee on the Judiciary, "DOJ Oversight: Terrorism and Other Topics", testimony by US Attorney General John Ashcroft re President George Bush Jr.'s Executive Orders to "legalize torture" of US citizens and refusal to release that memo (felony Contempt of Congress), C-SPAN2, June 8, 2004
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=1212

"If I were one of these sickos I would be nervous with America's Most Wanted on my back."
-Congressman Mark Foley (R-FL), co-chair of the Committee on Missing and Exploited Children, America's Most Wanted, who resigned from Congress after getting caught performing pedophile cybersex while voting in Congress

Bush Jr's CIA sex slave Jeff Gannon toured the White House 200 times
www.tedgunderson.com/Investigations/Russell%20Nelson.htm
www.johnnygosch.com

Mayor Victor Ashe hugs pedophile serial killer Sir George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire

Blackmail is such a useful political tool. Our former mayor Victor Victoria Ashe, announced on national TV from San Francisco as "the openly gay mayor of Knoxville", was arrested twice for soliciting gay sex in public restrooms in Atlanta and DC, while dressed as a woman. Now Ambassador Ashe runs CIA torture camps in Poland, for his Skull & Boner boytow Bush Jr.

Donald Trump sucks Mafia mayor Julie's tits

Mann Coulter and Matt Drudge celebrate Gay Pride

Head cheerleader George "Lips" Bush at Andover School for Boys

FOX, MYSPACE & FIREFLY OWNED BY COMMUNIST CHINA!
www.piratenews.org/pntv-schedule.html

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Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation

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Does that seem right to you?
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Saturday, September 1, 2007 12:10 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

A textbook example of why you should never talk to the police without a lawyer. Basically, Craig was arrested and lost his job because of completely benign activity. At best this is a misunderstanding by the police and any good lawyer could have ended this whole affair in Craig’s benefit, but he chose to waive his right to counsel and it cost him. And of course the fruitcakes will use this as an excuse to attack Republicans and Conservatives, even as they preach tolerance towards homosexuals – you can’t really get much more hypocritical then that. But at worst Craig is guilty of stupidity.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 12:41 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"And of course the fruitcakes will use this as an excuse to attack Republicans and Conservatives, even as they preach tolerance towards homosexuals – you can’t really get much more hypocritical then that."

Do you really think what liberals have against him is that he's gay ?

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 1:15 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"And of course the fruitcakes will use this as an excuse to attack Republicans and Conservatives, even as they preach tolerance towards homosexuals – you can’t really get much more hypocritical then that."

Do you really think what liberals have against him is that he's gay ?

I think some don’t have any problem exploiting accusations of homosexuality in a bigoted fashion when it suits them. Many Liberals like to talk a lot about tolerance, but then they ridicule a Senator for supposedly being gay or make bigoted comments about someone's skin color, if it suits their agenda

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 1:18 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I haven't heard any. What I've heard is people criticizing his hypocrisy and opportunism.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 1:28 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

I'm sure you haven't.

All I've heard is people criticizing a man for being gay. I’ve yet to see any reason that being gay is a criticism, or that he is gay. What I see is a man who should have known to retain a lawyer, but it suits certain people’s agenda to criticize him by making his supposed homosexual an issue.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 1:33 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"All I've heard is people criticizing a man for being gay."

Who does the criticizing ? Any particular paper, website, tv or radio station, or organization ? I've listened to AirAmerica (the only progressive radio station) and there has literally not been one negative comment about him being gay.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 1:59 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Let’s take the Salon article, or what I could read of it. The Salon article evidently criticizes Craig with innuendo about what he didn’t say. First why is his being gay an issue? Why does he have to state that he’s not gay in a certain way? So what if Craig is bisexual, not that there is any evidence of that, but why is that an issue at all? Especially if you believe that a person’s sexual persuasion shouldn't be used to attack them?

I can’t help but think that if we were talking about a Democrat the issue wouldn’t be his sexual persuasion but why a Senator was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct for nothing more nefarious then tapping his foot while taking a crap in an airport stall?

Although, the obvious answer to that is that he didn't retain a lawyer. If he had he probably wouldn't have been charged with anything.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 2:21 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

First why is his being gay an issue? So what if Craig is bisexual ... why is that an issue at all? Especially if you believe that a person’s sexual persuasion shouldn't be used to attack them?

Because he plugs 'socially conservative" anti-gay values in the Senate, which makes him a hypocrite :

http://mediamatters.org/items/200708280013

... an August 28 CNN.com article noted his votes on gay and lesbian issues and reported that "Craig's voting record has earned him top ratings from social conservative groups." ... such as the American Family Association, Concerned Women for America and the Family Research Council.

Craig voted for the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act and, in 2006, voted to cut off debate on a proposed constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. He also voted against a 1996 bill prohibiting employment discrimination based on sexual orientation, which failed by one vote in the Senate. (and opposed) ... legislation that would expand the federal hate crime law to cover violent acts based on a victim's sex, sexual orientation, sexual identity or disability.

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Why does he have to state that he’s not gay in a certain way?

Because his answer looks evasive.

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... arrested and charged with disorderly conduct for nothing more nefarious then tapping his foot while taking a crap in an airport stall ...

It was more than that. There was the two minutes of peering into the stall of the officer, the foot-touching and the hand-swiping - a roughly 5 minute come-on.

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... he didn't retain a lawyer ...

Ah, but he did. I don't remember the transcript well enough to find it on the internet, but in it Craig tells the police he'll get the papers back to them after his lawyer looks at them.

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You posted "All I've heard is people criticizing a man for being gay." In fact, you found one example where he wasn't actually being criticized for being gay.

Do you have any other examples ?

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 2:55 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Because he plugs 'socially conservative" anti-gay values in the Senate, which makes him a hypocrite

Like I said, when it suits you you’ll attack someone for their sexual orientation. You’ve proven my point.

I don’t see anything that says Craig is gay. I see a lot of desperate innuendo to paint him as gay in order to criticize his sexual orientation to suit some political agenda. But even if he were gay, I don’t see anything wrong with that. I don’t see any reason why someone must support hate crime legislation because they are gay or why they wouldn’t support the Defense of Marriage Act because they are gay.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 3:03 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"Like I said, when it suits you you’ll attack someone for their sexual orientation."

No one's said they're anything wrong with being gay. No one's attacked anyone for being gay. Please, find me a place where anyone has said being gay is a negative thing.

The issue is being a hate-filled person and a hypocrite.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 3:08 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"Like I said, when it suits you you’ll attack someone for their sexual orientation."

No one's had said they're anything wrong with being gay.

No, just something wrong with someone being gay if they don’t support what certain people consider to be appropriate “gay” politics.

It’s a way of thinking I don’t subscribe to. I’m pretty sure that gay people have as independent a thought process as anyone else, and therefore there are gay people out there who do in fact support conservative causes. In fact, I know Conservatives who are gay. They're not hypocrites. They just don't happen to agree with the Liberal point of view.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 3:17 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Then he's sincere in his belief that gays are lower-class people not entitled to legal equaliy. That makes him a bigot. Is that better than being a hypocrite ?

In any case - no one "attacked" him "for being gay" - as you claimed.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 3:22 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Then he's sincere in his belief that gays are lower-class people not entitled to legal equaliy. That makes him a bigot. Is that better than being a hypocrite ?

I don’t know what all of his beliefs are, but I’m not sure your characterization of them is accurate.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 3:25 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Back to your original statement - do you still think that "All I've heard is people criticizing a man for being gay."

And if you do, can you find me specific examples where that happened ?

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 3:32 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

I’ve already answered this question. You’re welcome to scroll up to one of my earlier posts.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 3:34 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

You posted one example that didn't actually criticize Craig for being gay. I was hoping you'd post something relevant.

To refresh your memory, here is the text:

When Idaho Sen. Larry Craig says, "I'm not gay," I believe him. But that doesn't mean he wasn't cruising for sex last June when he was arrested in a bathroom at the Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport on charges of disorderly conduct. Surely any homosexual worth his capri pants saw the loopholes in Craig's televised declaration of non-gayness, amplified by the presence of his wife. Even some straight folks, wised up after the scandals of Ted Haggard and Mark Foley, must have noted that Craig did not add a qualifying phrase like, "Nor am I bisexual," "I've never had sex with a man" or even one of those oldies but goodies like, "Doing what I did doesn't make you gay," "I was so drunk!" or "I'm only queer for some guys."

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 3:43 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
You posted one example that didn't actually criticize Craig for being gay. I was hoping you'd post something relevant.

You mean something you wanted to hear? That’s up to you. I have no control over that.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 3:44 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

For a start, please point out to me how Craig was criticized for being gay in the above text.

Mocked for being evasive, I'll give you that. But then, so was Clinton.

16:30
Well, you seem to be having a hard time responding so I thought I'd help you out. Did it call him a fag, or say he was a pervert ? Did it say he was a pedophile ? A sinner ? Where exactly did it attack him for being gay ?

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 6:02 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Larry "Manho" Craig... putting the ho in Idaho.

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

A textbook example of why you should never talk to the police without a lawyer. Basically, Craig was arrested and lost his job because of completely benign activity. At best this is a misunderstanding by the police and any good lawyer could have ended this whole affair in Craig’s benefit, but he chose to waive his right to counsel and it cost him.

That was what it appeared on the police audiotape, no solid evidence whatsoever.
www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0828071craig1.html

Craig sounded believable, but the cop sounded like a lying sleazebag trying to justify his paycheck by keeping up with his illegal quota. Long-term exposure to fart gas might have caused brain damage.

I've been in a lot of airport restrooms, and I've never seen any indication of fags in heat.

This tape is an excellent example of police sticking their badge where it don't belong.

If he caught the senator with his dick in his hand that's one thing, but wait... that's what all hetero guys do in a restroom.

No videocam evidence in the airport, just like on 9/11/2001...

Cop didn't even use an audiotape recorder in the stall, nor a handheld videocam. This allows the cop to "testilie", as cops call it.

Craig treated this like a misdemeanor traffic ticket, which all prosecutors and courts use for extortion purposes. Big mistake for Craig.

Now the Idaho governor will appoint another homo pedophile in Craig's place.

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Can you imagine working at the following company? It has a little over 500 employees with the following statistics:

29 have been accused of spousal abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
19 have been accused of writing bad checks
117 have bankrupted at least two businesses
3 have been arrested for assault
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
21 are current defendants in lawsuits

In 1998 alone:

217 traffic violations
Over 100 were stopped for drunk driving
3,000 unpaid parking tickets were issued

Can you guess which organization this is? Give up? Scroll down for the answer...

It's the 535 members of your United States Congress. The same group that perpetually cranks out hundreds upon hundreds of new laws designed to keep the rest of us in line. By claiming "Constitutional immunity" our political overseers avoid criminal prosecution for all traffic crimes. These are only statistics for Washington DC, Virginia and Maryland police files, and do not reflect traffic crimes committed in other jurisdictions. Tennessee Congressman Zack Wamp is a convicted drug dealer. Tennessee's serial-killing heart-transplanter Dr. CanniBill Frist's family butcher business Hospital Corporation of America (HCA) was criminally convicted of Medicare/Medicaid fraud and paid an $840-Million fine, and its executives sent to prison, so Frist was promoted to Speaker of the US Senate in his freshman year. As tie-breaker in the Senate, Dick Cheney has 2 DUI convictions.

PS: This is not a joke.

http://chblue.com/Aug1999/081999/criminalclass4-081999.htm
http://geocities.com/idiotboxwars

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