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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:


the way I see it...the blame America, denigrate America, surrender with humiliation crowd of Americans fall into two categories :
Those with their heads buried in the sand...and
those with their heads buried up their asses.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
And the way I see it...the blame America, denigrate America, surrender with humiliation crowd of Americans falls into one category :
Those that want to see America fall...HARD, of which I am not one.

I want America to be strong and secure, but not at the price of a potential slide into the sewers of fascism.

We want the same thing, I conjure, just differ in the accepted methods is all.

American Chrisisall

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Originally posted by SignyM:

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blame America, denigrate America, surrender with humiliation crowd of Americans fall into two categories :
Those with their heads buried in the sand...and
those with their heads buried up their asses.
That t'aint evil pal...just my opinions is all.

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So in your humble opinion America is always right. Right?

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blame America, denigrate America, surrender with humiliation crowd of Americans fall into two categories :
Those with their heads buried in the sand...and
those with their heads buried up their asses.
That t'aint evil pal...just my opinions is all. JSSTRW

So in your humble opinion America is always right. Right? -Signy

I 'aint goin' there buddy.-JSSTRW

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

That is excellent is all! Well said.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

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blame America, denigrate America, surrender with humiliation crowd of Americans fall into two categories :
Those with their heads buried in the sand...and
those with their heads buried up their asses.
That t'aint evil pal...just my opinions is all. JSSTRW

So in your humble opinion America is always right. Right? -Signy

I 'aint goin' there buddy.-JSSTRW

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What, you think you haven't already BTDT?

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Originally posted by leadb:
Gotcha. I do think this is the core of our difference. I look at much of Bush's history and conclude he is not particularly 'principled'; he does seem to be a consummate 'gamer of the system' (eg: profits mentioned in previous posts). The core trust you seem to have for Bush is not present in me, and I feel for rational reasons.

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Bush demonstrates himself to be a successful businessman and you somehow find this to be a bad quality? I agree that there is a big disjoint in our respective definitions of what constitutes principled behavior, at least concerning Bush. If someone offers you profit off a failed oil company or a baseball club, would you turn it down simply because this was money based on your connections? I think that if one examines closely and fairly the negative views of Bush, often these views turn out to be more irrational then those holding them initially perceive them.

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Originally posted by Veteran:
When was Bush ever a successful business man?

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I give you credit...you are determined!
I've thrown enough fuel on the fire for one day...not looking to satisfy some inner need you have to confront individuals....just go ahead and call me a neo-con troll, and move on to the next Con here ( not many left ) to grapple with.

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Originally posted by leadb:
Many people who are 'successful' in business do so at the expense of others; being a 'successful' business person in the US today does not necessarily equate to being principled. Look at various discussions regarding the housing bubble (either here, or at the 'economy roars on part 2' I forget which) to get a sense of what I'm referring to.

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Originally posted by leadb:
I'd be interested to know how you felt about Bush's 'service' in the National Guard to avoid the draft during the Vietnam era.

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Originally posted by Veteran:
It's about creating an environment where "terror" pervades, and the excuse for invading our privacy, restricting our freedoms, and lying to us about these efforts is justfied because "We're at war!"

"He who sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither." - Benjamin Franklin

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Originally posted by Hero:
The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Justice Robert Jackson

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