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Originally posted by SergeantX:
The noble false statement of a traitor.

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Originally posted by Hero:
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Where's yours?

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
The noble false statement of a traitor.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Funny. I thought the same thing about Hero's initial post.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Funny. I thought the same thing about Hero's initial post.

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I think our brains work differently (I read that around here somewhere)...or in your case, not at all.

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Originally posted by Skywalken:

To paraphrase a line from the movie Billy Madison...

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
You know, as much as I disagree with AURaptor and Hero, at least they have a point of view, you're just here to be a jerk.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

Unbiased and even handed as always Mr. Isall.

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Originally posted by rue:

"I don't know. I don't really think about him very much. I'm not that concerned." -President Bush, March 13, 2002

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I stopped caring what the idiots who don't get the significance of what happened on 9/11/01 think or listening to what they say. They are utterly and completely irrelevent.

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Originally posted by rue:
"I feel sorry for folks who don't GET IT, and instead wrap themselves up in petty partisan bickering, as if that will ever amount to anything at all."

Does that include Bush ?

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Originally posted by rue:
Skipped right past the "petty and partisan" di'ja ?

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Originally posted by rue:
No, not trying to change the topic. You decided you wanted to talk about one single word out of an entire quote - of your own words, no less. I felt compelled to bring at least some of the rest back in.

Oh, and why aren't you in the MWD thread telling us how they really are there in Iraq, in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat. We could all use a good laugh. At your expense, of course.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Ummm.. Auraptor, as I recall YOU were the one who brought up "petty and partisan". Rue is merely responding to YOUR topic.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Lefties are cowards and pussies for trying to dodge and squirm

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Originally posted by SignyM:
That's one thing we agree on. Unfortunately attacking Iraq and losing track of bin Laden falls into the "irrelevant/ counterproductive" category.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:





See, this is EXACTLY what I mean. Lefties are cowards and pussies for trying to dodge and squirm out of the issue, and then when you call them on it , they hyper analyze the god damn sentence,

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I feel sorry for folks who don't GET IT, …, as if that will ever amount to anything at all.

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“They are utterly and completely irrelevant.”

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See, this is EXACTLY what I mean. Lefties are cowards and pussies for trying to dodge and squirm out of the issue, and then when you call them on it , they hyper analyze the god damn sentence,

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Wow. That's fuckin rich coming from a guy who

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Originally posted by rue:
Where does 9/11 come in ? Are you now adding words after taking them away ?

The original contention was "I feel sorry for folks who don't GET IT, and instead wrap themselves up in petty partisan bickering, as if that will ever amount to anything at all."

Nope, no 9/11 there at all, no matter how many times I read it.

Anyway, keep this up on top. I'll be back in town Monday or Tuesday and get back to you then.

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I stopped caring what the idiots who don't get the significance of what happened on 9/11/01 think or listening to what they say. They are utterly and completely irrelevent. When I watched the Naudet brother's documentary on 9/11, that's all I need to see. Ignorant, asinine claims of conspiracy and compliancy are meaningless to the reality of what happened to real people in the real world that day.

I feel sorry for folks who don't GET IT, and instead wrap themselves up in petty partisan bickering, as if that will ever amount to anything at all.

I will never forget 9/11 and never forgive those who attacked us. Never.

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Originally posted by RocketJock:
Okay, a statement for the record: I haven't forgotten those responsible for 9/11.

Our duly appointed president apparently has.

If he had truly been interested in balancing accounts for 9/11 he would have properly finished the job in Afghanistan when he had the chance.

Instead he chose to attack Iraq. Which made about as much sense as avenging Pearl Harbor by declaring war on Mexico.

But George W. bush had a combination of personal and business reasons for doing so, and decided they were more important than actually honoring our dead. 9/11 was not the reason for attacking Iraq. It was the excuse.

And that is the reason I detest George W. Bush. He reduced the dead in the rubble, the victims and the brave emergency personnel who died trying to rescue them, to nothing but a slogan to support his own agenda.
So now we have a two-front, probably unwinable war, and our dead remain unavenged.

Anyone who invokes 9/11 to support Bush's policies is either a fool, a hypocrite, or willfully blind.



"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

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But fighting a terrorist organization which is small and mobile isn't the same as trying to take down an established country. OBL went underground, and our lack of intel in the area cost us. It wasn't because of a lack of will or leadership, but simply not having the resources required to track our target in the wilderness.

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So we don't know whether he's in a cave with the door shut or a cave with the door open. We just don't know. There's all kinds of reports and all kinds of speculation. But the thing we are certain about is that he's on the run, that he's hiding in caves, if hiding at all. And the other thing I'm certain about is we'll bring him to justice.

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BERNTSEN: With Tora Bora, it began, the final portion of that operation began after we seized the capital, Kabul. I sent an eight-man team down into Jalalabad. From Jalalabad, they moved down south right up against the mountains there, where Tora Bora was back up in the mountains. ...

We had locations on him, we had human source reporting which had proved reliable throughout the war. And that is why we won the war so rapidly. We had picked up a radio off of a dead al Qaeda member and we're listening to bin Laden pray with his people, apologize to his people for bringing them in there.

I had CIA's top Arabic linguist with me, who had listened to bin Laden's for four years. We threw a 15,000-pound Blue 82 at them and then we had B52's conduct strikes on the same areas where he knew he was. ... we did know exactly.

... The Afghans were less than reliable and this is why I was calling for ground forces. And I called for, you know, 600-to-800 rangers to be inserted in there, and had 600-to-800 rangers been inserted, we probably would have ended the thing.

...I made the request in the first two or three days of December. We initiated that operation. We inserted our team in late November into Jalalabad there.

Well, I requested the rangers directly from the commander of JSOC, who was on the ground out there. And of course, their decision was not to do that. They were pleased with the fact that we were killing several hundred of them a day. The problem is this: when you are fighting terrorists, success for the terrorists is not defeating us on the battlefield, it's escaping. And I was trying to make sure that we eliminated every single one of them. And in that case, we didn't. We killed quite a large number of bin Laden's force. We killed 75 percent of the people there. He did cross the border. You may recall that 130 of them were captured by the Pakistanis on the back side of Tora Bora, but bin Laden and his element were able to escape.

...General Franks is a great American. I, however, was on the ground running the intelligence collection operation. ... The U.S. military, the soldiers that were with us on the ground there, fought like lions. They did a wonderful job. The problem was, was Tora Bora was a very, very difficult place to access. It was an area that was far away, it was high, it was cold. It would have been very difficult and it would have been risky to put soldiers in. There likely would have been significant casualties. The fact is is no one, whether they're in the CIA or the military gets ahead taking risks. It would have been a risky endeavor. But I put my four men in there. They went up. And actually two of my men were CIA officers and two of them were JSOC officers that had been assigned over to me. This is a fact of the war.

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A vivid reminder of how true Berntsen’s story must be are the numerous blacked-out lines. He of course had to submit his manuscript to CIA for review and censoring the most sensitive information. He was surprised and angered when they dragged their feet on it for several months. Eventually he had to sue his former employer to force them to release his manuscript back to him. The amount of blacked-out information the CIA finally required was so astounding that Berntsen chose to leave in the blacked-out lines rather than edit the book down. It is amazing to just flip through the book pages and visibly see all the black lines going by. Obviously, Berntsen was privy to incredibly detailed inside information about the hunt for Osama Bin Laden.... When Bin Laden was pinned down and taking several days of fire in Tora Bora, suddenly Berntsen could not get the 800 Army Rangers he requested to be dropped in between Al-Qaeda and the Pakistan border. This single maneuver would have prevented Bin Laden from escaping, and would likely have ended the War on Terror right there.

Every other request Bentsen made was either granted or at least decided quickly, as in minutes or hours. Berntsen had to ask and plead for several days for a decision on his Ranger request. When Berntsen pressed harder, he was shockingly replaced in the field and in the middle of the Tora Bora battle!

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Originally posted by RocketJock:

If Dante was right in reserving the coldest spot in Hell for traitors, then George W. Bush has a very chilly room reserved for him indeed.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
But Bush's stated mission- YOU know, dead or alive. drain the swamp, etc- would have been accomplished.

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