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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I think the kid had it comin' to him, personally. Y'all watch and decide for yourself.

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Originally posted by TVChick:
Yeah, I mean, I don't really understand why they tazed him because it seems like they had him on the ground. He may have been trying to fight them off, but there were enough officers that he wouldn't have been able to & would have exhausted himself trying. Then the handcuffing would be easy.

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1. Why did you take a dive in the 2004 election, that you won, according to BBC's Greg Palast? (Kerry said he read Palast's book)

2. Why are you a member of Skull & Bones secret society with Bush Jr? (The Brotherhood of Death)

3. Why don't you Democrats impeach Jr Bush? (Doh!)

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The "Presidential Advance Manual," dated October 2002 with the stamp "Sensitive -- Do Not Copy," was released under subpoena to the American Civil Liberties Union as part of a lawsuit filed on behalf of two people arrested for refusing to cover their anti-Bush T-shirts at a Fourth of July speech at the West Virginia State Capitol in 2004. The techniques described have become familiar over the 6 1/2 years of Bush's presidency, but the manual makes it clear how organized the anti-protest policy really is.

www.startribune.com/587/story/1395726.html

DOWNLOAD MANUAL -- HEAVILY REDACTED:
www.aclu.org/freespeech/protest/30265res20070628.html

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Note that by "demonstrators", the Bush White House includes ARREST of all presidential candidates and nominees, such as ordering the arrest of Green Party nominee Ralph Nader in 2000 (Nader sued the off-duty state trooper and university), and arrest of the Libertarian and Green Party nominees, and arrest of Republican presidential candidate John "Prescott Bush Is A Nazi" Buchanan in 2004

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When Bush travels around the United States, the Secret Service visits the location ahead of time and orders local police to set up “free speech zones” or “protest zones” where people opposed to Bush policies (and sometimes sign-carrying supporters) are quarantined. These zones routinely succeed in keeping protesters out of presidential sight and outside the view of media covering the event.

When Bush came to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, “The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us.” The local police, at the Secret Service’s behest, set up a “designated free-speech zone” on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush’s speech. The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, though folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president’s path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign. Neel later commented, “As far as I’m concerned, the whole country is a free speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind.”

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Originally posted by JRC:
I'm not sure how a taser works, but from the demonstrations I've seen, any person hit with a taser will immediately hit the ground, totally incapacitated.

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Originally posted by piratenews:
3 very simple questions that Kerry can NEVER answer.

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
wow, that was pretty scary. Right there is why this country is the shit hole that it is, because anyone that asks a question outside of the "talking points" gets tased

I understand that he was resisting arrest a little at first, tho why he was being arrested in the first place I still don't understand, but then when they threatened to tase him, he said he would leave peacefully, they didn't have to go through with it, the threat was enough, and yet they did it anyway, those cops all need to be fired, if not arrested themselves.

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The charges could have been :
disorderly conduct
failure to obey the police
resisting arrest

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how violently dangerous the demented left is in America.

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the police MUST assume him to be a real threat to Senator Kerry

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As far as freedom of speech is concerned this jackass’s principle motive was to eliminate everyone else’s freedom of speech. He was hogging the forum by repeatedly asking questions that he believed Kerry couldn’t answer – thereby making sure that no one could exercise their freedom of speech, which was the purpose of this function. And he could accomplish this in at least two ways. He could hog the mic with stupid questions or he could throw a huge fit in the back and derail the whole event for the duration of its time. Either way, what gives him the right to prevent everyone else from speaking? Should someone do this at every political speech where a speaker they don’t agree with is speaking? Is this the kind of gestopo speaking tactic that should become common place in our political forums?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
And please don't say my comparison is overblown because YOU brought it up.

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
I understand that he was resisting arrest a little at first, tho why he was being arrested in the first place I still don't understand, but then when they threatened to tase him, he said he would leave peacefully, they didn't have to go through with it, the threat was enough, and yet they did it anyway, those cops all need to be fired, if not arrested themselves.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I think the kid had it comin' to him, personally. Y'all watch and decide for yourself.

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Absolutely, God knows that every instance of FREE SPEECH is punishable by being arrested and tasering.

This is frustrating beyond measure. Because he was asking Kerry irritating questions he was arrested. What is especially disgusting is when he offered to leave the meeting, the "cops" (I use that word in quotations to separate these 6 or 7 morons who can't seem to handle a situation in which there an angry college student yelling at someone from the hundreds of public servants who risk their lives everyday) decided to taser him instead. They should be fired immediately if they know no other way to diffuse the situation. God forbid someone else would have stepped in to help, that person would probably have been shot on the spot.

I've never said this in my life, but I sincerely hope the ACLU is all over this.

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Originally posted by Succatash:
This was all about the personal pride of the cops.

People who are way out of line with a mic are not a danger and should not be tasered.

They tasered him for shouting and whining. He was already in their control and no threat to anyone. It's an annoyance issue, not a safety issue.

People aren't televisions, and tasers are not mute buttons.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Originally posted by SignyM:
A University of California at Los Angeles student was repeatedly stunned with an electronic Taser by campus police officers November 14 at the UCLA Powell Library....But witnesses told the November 16 Los Angeles Times that Tabatabainejad was on his way out of the library when police forcibly stopped him. In the roughly six-minute video, Tabatabainejad’s screams of pain are clearly audible, as is his shout, “Here’s your Patriot Act, here’s your fucking abuse of power.” The video also captures patrons asking for the officers’ badge numbers, as well as a patron being told to move away from an officer “or you’re going to get Tasered, too.”

'Cause we're the POlice. And we got the tasers.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
"At that point, he's been up there for almost 2 minutes, and everyone else is getting restless. He's hogging the mic. As folks are voicing their wishes that this guy move along, he responds that Kerry's had the mic for 2 hrs, can't he have some time too?"

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
What the hell are you talking about? Spock was always Vulcan nerve pinching crazy types. And god only knows how many disruptive types were phasered on stun. And Kirk was knocking the hell out of people all over the damn place.

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Originally posted by Succatash:
Ok, yeah I laughed during that scene on the bus in Star Trek 4 when Spock pinched out the annoying punk rocker.

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"Succatash wrote:
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Spock had the Vulcan neck pinch, but he never abused it, did he?

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Who was tazed for asking for badge numbers? Or refusing to show their ID? Or refusing to answer questions? Or take a breathalyzer? These particular points seem to be complete nonsense.

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Mostafa Tabatabainejad, 23, was in a library computer lab around 11:30 p.m. when a community service officer asked for his campus ID as part of the library’s policy of requesting identification from patrons after 11:00 p.m. Tabatabainejad refused, and the officer soon returned with members of the University of California Police Department. “He continued to refuse,” read a November 15 UCPD memo. “As the officers attempted to escort him out, he went limp and continued to refuse to cooperate with officers or leave the building.” The statement claims that “Tabatabainejad encouraged library patrons to join his resistance” and confirms that he was stunned with a Taser and arrested for resisting a police officer.

But witnesses told the November 16 Los Angeles Times that Tabatabainejad was on his way out of the library when police forcibly stopped him. In the roughly six-minute video, Tabatabainejad’s screams of pain are clearly audible, as is his shout, “Here’s your Patriot Act, here’s your fucking abuse of power.” The video also captures patrons asking for the officers’ badge numbers, as well as a patron being told to move away from an officer “or you’re going to get Tasered, too.”

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