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Originally posted by AURaptor:
"At that point, he's been up there for almost 2 minutes, and everyone else is getting restless. He's hogging the mic. As folks are voicing their wishes that this guy move along, he responds that Kerry's had the mic for 2 hrs, can't he have some time too?"

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Why did you leave out the part about John Kerry repeatedly saying he would answer his question? He gave him the floor.

But it doesn't matter what the crowd wanted or what John Kerry wanted. It was a forum where civil discourse was encouraged, and he was tasered for not lying still and being quiet.

I'm sure the school's policy on tasers is that they may be used to preserve safety.

There was no safety issue.

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And the cops tased him for not kissing their pig asses. They didn't like him. But there was no threat of any kind.

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And the cops tased him for not kissing their pig asses.

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Originally posted by rue:
"I don't know the format for the open questions, but it became clear that after his first 2, which he ignored Kerry's response, he had 2 MORE questions, and that's when security was called for. He wasn't going to yield the mic."

It sounds like you recommend tasering for the 'crime' of being too loud. There is such a thing as proportionate response, i.e. - you wouldn't shoot someone for failing to produce an ID.

So, in your mind, is a taser a proportionate response for every situation, threatening, inconvenient or inconsiderate ?

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Nice respect to the police jerkoff ....the police who put their lives on the line to save your sorry ass from killers and scumbags every day. I hope they spit on you when you or your mommy desperately need them.

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Sig, you've joined 'tash in the 180 degrees wrong club too. Amazing your abilty to sift through all the facts and come to a conclusion that is utterly lacking in anything which remotely deals in reality. A true gift you have.

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Apparently Finn, Hero, Auraptor, Jongsstraw and JRC have NO line that separates reasonable from unreasonable taser use?

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BDN- I'm trying to get a sense of what people think it a "good reason", and so far it sounds like smart-mouthing, not moving quick enough, not moving at all, not knowing who's breaking into your house are ALL "good reasons" to get tasered.

So where would YOU draw it?

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Not following police instructions. Police say settle down so we can cuff you, settle down and let them cuff you. Police wrongfully break into your house and tell you to get down, get down and sort out the issue once the scene has been secured. Police have a tough job where they constantly deal with beligerent and combatitive people. If you do not want to be treated the same way, don't act beligerent or combatitive.

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So before any discussion on where a line is draw, we first need to be honest about the criteria we will use to judge that line.

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Police have a tough job, that's why they get paid. They work for us, not the other way around. How can you suggest that free Americans should blindly obey and submit to every police instruction?

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Will this lead to a '1984' style police state, no.

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Will this lead to a '1984' style police state, no.

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It will if most people believe that any taser use is justified.

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After many attempts to get the
man to comply, he chose to continue actively resisting the officers. I obeyed the command
from Sgt. King to utilize the taser for the continuation of non-compliance by the man. One
contact tase to the man's left shoulder was deployed for the duration of its cycle. After the
cycle ended, the man was asked to comply and stop resisting and for a brief moment he did, at
which time he was placed in handcuffs. After he was lifted to his feet, he kept screaming and
yelling to let him go by continually pushing the officers. I read the man his Miranda rights
and explained why he was being placed under arrest

As the man was escorted down stairs
with no cameras in sight, he remained quiet, but once the cameras made their way down
stairs he started screaming and yelling again. Some of the comments that the man made were
"You can't kill me.", "They are giving me to the government." and "They are going to kill
me."
The man was identified not only by the people there filming for him, but also by a business
card he had on him that had his picture on it. The card read, "TheANDREWMEYER.com
"Speak my mind." I asked him if he was Andrew Meyer and he said, "Yes, I am."

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After the police became physical he became physical. Looks like the escalation and threats were one-sided.

A person not ceding the microphone is not a threat. A person not obeying a police order to be quiet and move along is not a threat. They may be pissing the police off, but they're not threatening them.

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A person not obeying police orders IS a threat

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So before any discussion on where a line is draw, we first need to be honest about the criteria we will use to judge that line.

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Well then, what are your criteria?

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But rudeness? I'm sorry, that just doesn't count.

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Just wondering, b/c in your own words the worst thing he did was "push his own agenda at the expense of others for a duration of his choosing".

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A person not obeying police orders IS a threat

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Seems an overly generous statement. Is lying down passively a "threat"?

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Maybe we should relieve police of the need to carry tasers and just wear our backpacks and electrodes so they can zap us more easily and at a safe distance.

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Ultimately, if these men are adult college students who have the intelligence and responsibility to take college courses which requires far, far, far, far more intellectual faculties then it does not to throw tantrums on the floor in a public place, then we can assume that the act of throwing these tantrums is not innocent, but a belligerent inappropriate act of a self-centered arrogant snotty infantile assholery, which I have amazingly little sympathy for when it comes to whether he gets a harmless electron shock to snap him into the real world.

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So you would have tasered civil rights protesters if they were lying in the streets and resisted being moved?

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Protesters, even those with values I find moral and agreeable, must still respect the peace. However, there’s an entire world of difference between a protestor, and an asshole throwing a tantrum.

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However, there’s an entire world of difference between a protestor, and an asshole throwing a tantrum

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