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Geezer goes hunting

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 1:33 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

I'll be out West hunting the wily pronghorn antelope and visiting family for a couple of weeks.

Please use this time to discuss the ethics of hunting wild animals for food or sport.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 1:43 AM

LEADB

Can we instead make jokes about the VP's hunting skills? Please?

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 1:46 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

If you eat it, it's the same as a hamburger. Instead of having someone else off the cow, you're killing the critter yourself. To that degree, it's much less hypoctitical than most of us.

If you kill a pest, like a 'prairie dog' that digs tunnels in your land and carries disease, then you're doing a service. It's like setting traps for rats in your house. No harm or foul that I can see.

If you kill a non-pest, but don't use it for anything productive beyond a trophy, then you've just entered the category of people who kill animals for fun. We generally watch such people closely to see if they turn into serial killers and such.

These are my thoughts on the matter.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 2:31 AM

LEADB

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
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These are my thoughts on the matter.

What Anthony said.

Now, can we commence on VP jokes?

Fill in the blank:
Dick Cheney can hit the broadside of a __________

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 3:30 AM

WASHNWEAR

Quote:
Originally posted by leadb:
Quote:
Fill in the blank:
Dick Cheney can hit the broadside of a __________

...lawyer's face...?

It was all riddled with buckshot when we got here!

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 5:53 AM

FREMDFIRMA

I don't have a problem with it, long as someone eats it - we've removed many natural predators and are therefore somewhat morally obligated to replace them.

I occasionally go with friends, but other than my pest remover, an old revolver filled with little shotshells for point defense, I don't do any of the shooting - but I'll find YOU somethin to shoot, no doubt about it, long as I get my cut.

Gotten a bit old and slow for it nowadays, and the lack of proper weapons handling and safety among many of the younger folk has made me skittish about doin that anymore tho.

I've always been vaguely amused by some of the ridiculous (at least to me) traditions and arbitrary rules... cause while others see it as a sport, to me it's food collection and nothing more.

Long as one acts with respect, by not being wasteful of the life they've taken and not trashing the place, I got no issue with it.

-F

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 6:59 AM

FREDGIBLET

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These are my thoughts on the matter.

Thirded.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 7:19 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Well, good luck hunting those wily pronghorn Geezer – (how’s that antelope taste?) Fact is, this is a real touchy issue with me, but I have learned never argue with a man holding a scoped, high-powered hunting rifle – it’s often a one sided conversation.

Here is my rant on the topic – it is reserved for some, but not all, of the otherwise rational gentlemen and ladies who, for some strange reason, consider killing wild, unsuspecting woodland creatures with the afore mentioned high-powered rifle some sort of sport (honestly, I have never been able to see the “sport” in this activity). That said, let me also say that I was once in that group of “sportsmen” and have killed and eaten my share of the native whitetail deer found in this area. However, that was years ago and I haven’t shot anything in many moons.

I am a landowner in central Texas. I own close to a thousand acres, which is split up into no less than 200 acre plots in two counties. The country life has many advantages and I truly appreciate all that the outdoors has to offer (I don’t mind bugs). I grew up in a culture of hunting and fishing and have been around it and have known plenty of people who really love the lifestyle, but somewhere down the line I had an extreme change of heart and I don’t hunt anymore – I still enjoy fishing, but for the most part, catch and release is my standard operating procedure.

In Texas (and other states I’m sure), the Parks and Wildlife Dept. has come up with a real money making plan. They find large tracts of land that is usually leased to a company for oil and gas exploration or even land owned by family farmers or ranchers (although I have never met a landowner such as myself who would lease to these guys) – and they establish what is known here as ‘Type II’ hunting area. What happens is this – for $40.00, any Tom, Dick or Charles Manson can get a license to hunt these areas. It is a hell of a lot cheaper than paying for a hunting lease and in many areas, such as the county where I own land, there is little, if any, enforced regulation. So, often what you get is a bunch of yahoos who just want to get out of the city, spend the morning getting a good beer buzz and shoot their new guns at anything that moves – be it deer, antelope, turkey, buzzard, duck, horse, cow, beaver, mongoose, no trespassing sign, or prized bull. I didn’t really appreciate the negative implications of the Type II area until one was opened on land adjoining some of my own. Since that time I totally dread the opening of deer season. For the past five years I have had numerous altercations with some of these “sportsmen” for trespassing and poaching on my property. On more than one occasion, someone has shot across the fence line at a deer on my land and then cut my fence in order to drag the carcass out – and a lot of these guys are just horn hunters – morons (IMHO) who just want a nice head to hang in the living room and who waste the rest of the animal.

I could go on and on – tell some stories that you would probably not believe anyway – so I’ll stop here – except to say that I am not anti-hunting. Those people who respect the outdoors and who only take what they need are a part of a long tradition in this country. On the other hand, it seems that more and more these days hunting is just an excuse to raise hell – and sometimes at the expense of landowners and the people who live near these Type II areas.

Deer season opens here in less than a month – I am not looking forward to it.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 7:32 AM

TPAGE

I'll be a fourth on Anthony's point.

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And if someday on some little piss-ant moon/My hand is a little too slow, or my aim a little bit off/At least I’ll go down fighting, not lying abed surrounded by quacks - "Sir Warrick" by Geezer

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 8:44 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Comic Robert Klein used to have a great stand-up bit about hunting...used to crack me up....went something like this :
These hunters take so much pride in their he-man masculine ability to track, stalk, and then shoot a deer...very manly right? But really what sort of a challenge is it when you're armed with a mini howitzer and looking through a scope that makes a deer a mile away look like it's a foot in front of you... and then of course...what does a deer do when it senses danger?...It freezes still! Klein would tell it with humour of course, but it still boils down to the same thing...it's really not much of a sporting chance for the dumb animal.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 10:36 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
If you eat it...If you kill a pest...If you kill a non-pest

The best hunting is when your doing all three. The deer population round here is destructive, overpopulated (leading to starvation), tasty, and make fine trophies.

One City hired an out of state company to come catch them, but got into a fuss when that company wanted to market the meant and the trophies. Local hunter-killer types wanted to do it themselves and local tree-hugger types said it was cruel. The compromise was a limited number of special licenses to locals, the out-of-towners for the rest, all the food going to local food banks (for free) and the trophies going to them what get them to do what they will.

H

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 10:39 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Until the game carry firearms, and can shoot back, I don't see the challenge in huntin'.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 12:04 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

I’m an avid outdoorsmen but not much of a hunter. I’ve been hunting several times, but never shot at anything, to the surprise of my hunting buddies who to this day talk about the deer I let go.

Is hunting a sport? I consider canoeing and backpacking sports, why not hunting? Although I suppose it depends a lot on how you do it. A lot of people take the fun out of it, by driving their fully loaded SUV within feet of their intended destination, and sitting around with plenty of beer and chips waiting for a starving deer to walk right in front of the scope of their .308 Remington rifle looking for the bait they put out. Okay, that’s not too sporting. Real hunters have a sense of sportsmenship that leads them to deep and sincere respect for the wild. It’s all in the mindset.

I remember being chastised by some in my family because I wasn’t much of a hunter. I invited several of them to accompany me to the Northern Georgia rainforests for ten days. The only one brave enough to take my challenge never questioned my manliness again. I promised not to tell anyone how much he whined like a baby when we had to scale cliff into the rainforest or cross a stream that turned out to be deeper than we expected. The point – you don’t have to kill something to be an outdoorsman. The outdoors can be enough challenge all be itself, and if you do decide to come home with something that used to prance make sure you honor its sacrifice by respecting the wilderness it came from.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 1:10 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

I used to hunt quite a bit, not so much anymore.

Lost my desire for big-game hunting, mind you I do still go out hiking, sometimes try my hand at tracking ( surprised how much I remember ) and once in a while get some really nice photos. Done enough shooting that anything out to 250 yards isn't much of a challenge anymore... and gutting and cleaning deer and moose was never high on my list of fun activity's... it was always a chore.

Bird Hunting, never did really like the hide and shoot of duck and goose hunting, but upland birds ... pheasant, grouse, partridge.. still love to go out. Working coulées, beating the bush...

I think I prefer this sort of hunting because ninety percent of it is training your dog properly, and it is a joy for both of you when the dog performs.

I have a chocolate lab named Kaylee who points and retrieves. I like just taking her out and flushing birds even in the off season. The shooting is really secondary.

Anyway, hope you see lots of game

cheers

The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 1:35 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Gino,

I have a problem with ticks. They love me, really, really loooove me. Any suggestions ? I've asked everyone here who hikes/ camps, asked at outdoor stores, even asked my dog's vet. So, if you have any advice , I would truly appreciate it.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 2:06 PM

LEADB

Have you tried eating garlic before you go out?

Personally, deep woods off seems to work fine for me; but some people do seem more attractive to ticks and mosquitoes than others.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 2:11 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

No, no. Sugar water and plenty of it, spread it on your skin – especially in your hair. Don’t use any Off or those “so-called” insect repellants from the Man. Also try to exhale as much CO2 as possible. And you might want to pack your sleeping bag with pine straw.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 2:26 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"Don’t use any Off or those “so-called” insect repellants from the Man."

Hey ! As a representative of government (from the science side) I AM 'the man'.

Wait ... that didn't come out right.

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Who's the man ???

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 2:34 PM

LEADB

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"Don’t use any Off or those “so-called” insect repellants from the Man."

Hey ! As a representative of government (from the science side) I AM 'the man'.

Wait ... that didn't come out right.

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Who's the man ???

Someone today said to me 'You da man!'; not sure if that counts, and in any case, I don't have any insect repellent to provide that you can refuse to use. Does that make any sense at all?

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 2:39 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I wonder if I should admit that it actually did make sense ...

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 2:57 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
No, no. Sugar water and plenty of it, spread it on your skin – especially in your hair. Don’t use any Off or those “so-called” insect repellants from the Man. Also try to exhale as much CO2 as possible. And you might want to pack your sleeping bag with pine straw.

'You da man!'

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 3:01 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

What do you have against LeadB ? I thought he was the man.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:09 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

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Originally posted by rue:
Gino,

I have a problem with ticks. They love me, really, really loooove me. Any suggestions ? I've asked everyone here who hikes/ camps, asked at outdoor stores, even asked my dog's vet. So, if you have any advice , I would truly appreciate it.

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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."

I live in Alberta, and fortunately for me ticks aren't as bad here as they are in other places...

I would say like LeadB try a Deet repellent... in the army we had this stuff called Jungle Power. It was so harsh it melted plastic watchstraps but bugs... none would come near it.

Clothing selection and hats, keeping your hair short or put away, some shampoos and soaps can attract insects.

I have also found if you sit next to a smoky fire, you smell like wood smoke and bug leave you alone, but that is just something I do

For dogs I dont know, mine has picked up leechs, and has had other bug bites...but no ticks yet.

I would say check your dog over and use an anti bacterial shampoo or clean the spot with peroxide
or something that will help clean it out but won't make the dog sick when they lick it. I bathed mine since she was a little puppy, so she is quite good about it.

In August I spent an hour and a half pulling cactus spines out of my dogs chest and feet. Leatherman tools are very handy to carry, might be good for tick removal too.

The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:10 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

THANKS !

Oh, btw here in So Cal we have nasty thorns, which I've had to remove from my dog's feet from time to time.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:40 PM

FREMDFIRMA

You're gonna laugh at me, but go right ahead.

I use four flea and tick collars containing pyrethrin, a natural extract from flowers.

I am unsure of their safety against bare skin, mind you, as they're intended to lay against fur, but one around each ankle and wrist, and off we go, and afterwords wash up thoroughly - it works pretty well, I've only had to remove one of the little bastards in all this time.

I have a psychotic and passionate hatred of bugs, in spite of having pretty decent outdoor skills, and generally take a bit of ribbing for it since my other precautions are somewhat extreme.
(Like how I bag my boots when I take em off to keep the ants, spiders and scorps out of em)

-F

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:48 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

OOOOooohhh ! More thanks are due !

Merci beaucoups. Gracias.

And now, signing off -

good night

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:50 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Pryethrins probably aren’t any worse then DEET, which people put directly on their skin. However ticks jump and many insects fly. Putting flea collars on your wrist and ankles will probably keep them from crawling onto your body, but I can’t see how that prevents anything from jumping/flying to your legs or torso.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007 5:24 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
No, no. Sugar water and plenty of it, spread it on your skin – especially in your hair. Don’t use any Off or those “so-called” insect repellants from the Man. Also try to exhale as much CO2 as possible. ....

he he he... I've seen this before somewhere.

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