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Originally posted by rue:
"I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied."

And yet, when I ask for a mere half-dozen names of climatologists who disagree with global warming you can't come up with any. And you can't come up with any links, article titles, or quotes from any credible study that 'disproves' global warming for all the supposed papers you've read. Not one.

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
So we want to take the word of a business man? I'm not exactly sure what your point is? He's read "dozens" of scientific papers, and he "knows" he's correct.

I"m not saying he's not an authority, but you tell us we should listen because he founded the weather channel? What gives with that? What makes his voice significant on this supposed debate?

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Originally posted by citizen:
"Greatest scam in history !"

Nice way to frame a debate. You lose your temper and run away from the last one, unable or unwilling to provide a logical rational argument for your stance, and instead start a new topic framed for confirmation bias. Personally I'm interested in the truth of the matter, not confirming my preconceptions, someone who won't even make they're case isn't going to be helpful in that regard.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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But I must say, Anthony, you summed up MY position on the topic quite exactly, if something is a good idea in it's own right, who the hell needs some excuse to do it ?

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The big three might be telling you it can't be done, but try tellin that to maniac johnnie goodwin.
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/120/motorhead-messiah.html

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Can be done, will be done.

Get with the program, folks.

-Frem

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Outside the whole "global warming, is it real?" thing, what strikes me is that the people on this forum who are so exercised about possible abuses to individual rights due to, say, wiretapping or the Patriot Act vis a vis the War on Terror see no problem with the massive increase in government regulation and invasive bureaucracy that would be needed to enforce all the differing proposals to reduce carbon emissions.

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
So we want to take the word of a business man? I'm not exactly sure what your point is? He's read "dozens" of scientific papers, and he "knows" he's correct.

I"m not saying he's not an authority, but you tell us we should listen because he founded the weather channel?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Didn't run away from anything, just started a new thread to show the latest development in the ongoing discussion that is global warming. As this was an entirely new story, I felt it needed its own thread. Why does that annoy you? Because I happened to use the headline for the thread title ? Hey, I didn't write the story, so don't get cranky at me.

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I'm really fucking tired of having this discussion over and over and over. I'm done w/ it. Y'all go play w/ yourselves.

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"The Sun - it's that big firey thing up in the sky. But that's not important right now."
-John Lee, Pirate News

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Originally posted by piratenews:


The entire Solar System is warming.

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
When you pollute you are affecting all of those around you...and so infringing upon the rights of others...therefore you have no standing.

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Originally posted by rue:
So a supra-national agency is going to run our lives ? Riiiight. B/c they can write US laws at all levels and enforce them. (note - sarcasm)

"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."

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Originally posted by Geezer:
You don't trust the US government to do anything against business. You don't trust the US electorate to make the sacrifices you know are necessary.

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
dude, are you telling me there should be no lines drawn?

A matter of degrees is exactly what we are talking about...

you are not free to walk outside and shoot a gun down the street, pedestrians be damned. Balances have to be considered.

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
This isn't a matter of whether or not the man is in a position of persuation, it is about him turning a matter of science into a political debate,...

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
Oh bigdamnednobody...how cute you are.
I knew somebody was going to invoke Gore's name in this vain when I posted that, thought about preemtpively nipping it in the bud, then decided to let you look like an ass instead.

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
I don't believe in global warming because Gore says it. Gore is effective at bringing the issue into the limelight, and he is effective at giving the actual scientists a platform from which to be heard...
but its the overwhelming consensus of said scientists that I find fairly convincing. You can't see a difference here?

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
Gore has made a case for us to listen to the science on this subject, he hasn't snubbed it in the name of his own opinion. The facts he cited he didn't pull out of his ass...they came sourced and vetted. If the businessman meteorologist, climatologist coleman wants to be held in the same regard, he should do the same.

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Originally posted by rue:
"If the people want action on global warming, let them elect folks who'll act on it. I'm afraid that the "We must do something now!" crowd won't wait for that."

Yeah, they're gonna invoke the world government to come to the US with troops and set it all straight. Yuh-huh.

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some bureaucracy {which} gets to tell us where the line is between acceptable and too much. That'll determine what we can do, and what we can own, and how warm or cold we can be, and that we can't charcoal grill our food or have a fire in winter.

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folks that are elected to office, supposedly responsible to their constituents, and subject to removal if they make too many folks too mad.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Not that Geezer is a disinformationalist or anything....

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Originally posted by rue:
Have you been drinking again ?

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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Not that Geezer is a disinformationalist or anything....

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You've either got to convince a majority of folk in the US that global warming is an imminent threat...

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- and that someone knows how to correct it in an efficient manner...

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
are you seriously going to call your end of this conversation a meaningful exchange?
You like your one liner posts, and they may be amusing to you, but they certainly don't pass for high discourse

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
I saw Gore's movie. I don't know what about it you are referring to that suggests he has been the one politicizing this issue. But perhaps you could direct me to the part of the film where he does what you suggest.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimmock_v_Secretary_of_State_for_Educatio
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In response, the Government's counsel said that the guidance notes that accompanied the DVD of An Inconvenient Truth meant that the overall package was politically balanced. Teachers could present the film in any way they wished but could provide balance by explaining to pupils that some of Gore's views were political and asking them for their views. The Government offered to modify the guidance notes to meet specific scientific concerns. On the last day of the hearing, 2 October, the judge announced that he would be saying in his formal written judgment that the film did promote "partisan political views" and teachers would have to inform pupils that there were other opinions on global warming and they should not necessarily accept the views of the film. However, he stated that "I will be declaring that, with the guidance as now amended, it will not be unlawful for the film to be shown."

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Not to quibble here but I said BEFORE a meaningful exchange occurs. I agree that I was being naughty by bringing up Gore, hence why I used the wink emoticon. If you had really been looking for high discourse I don't think you would have started off by being condesending and insulting in your response to me.

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Teachers could present the film in any way they wished but could provide balance by explaining to pupils that some of Gore's views were political

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