Hey all you bloody sods from England. by Fremdfirma

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Hey all you bloody sods from England.

POSTED BY: FREMDFIRMA
UPDATED: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 03:20
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Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:32 AM

Look man, I know I give you hell all the time, but straight up, I'm a bit concerned at the moment, doubly so since I do not know if you have kids or not.

Merck is aiming it's HPV Vaccine (Gardasil) at the UK now, and intensely lobbying once again to make it legally mandatory, now in YOUR country.

Capsule background in case you missed it.

Poor and inadequate testing, a rather disreputable set of sidesteps and fast-tracks to get it approved for folks it was never tested on, in spite of the Vacc itself being more dangerous than what it prevents, and in spite of questions about it's effectiveness.

And folks placed their trust in Merck, and shouted down the critics...

And then the damage began to pile up, severe reactions, deaths.. the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) database looks like a catalogue of horrors, and bear in mind that physicians, who recieve much largess in the form of free trips, equipment, etc.. from the drug manufacturers, are actively discouraged from reporting - you can imagine that it's almost assured that the issues are far worse than the VAERS reports would indicate.

This following an intense political lobbying effort to made it legally mandatory, which stalled out in the face of popular opposition and then completely tanked when the casualties started piling up.

And now even the mere mention of it is "dissappeared" from the mainstream media like it never even existed, once it blew up in Mercks face.

And so they mean to recoup their losses and squeeze their profit out of this dangerous, untested vaccine of dubious effectiveness...

And they're looking at YOUR kids to foot the bill for it, in cash and risk.

And that bothers me dude, bothers me a lot.

Hell even if I hated you, your kids ain't never done me no harm, you know ?

Might wanna do some research and check up on this yourself, and sure you might come to a different conclusion, but my conscience (yes, I have one) required that I say *something* here.

Goes for other of our UK posters too, but the only one off the top of my head when I think of annoying limeys is you.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:50 AM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Merck is aiming it's HPV Vaccine (Gardasil) at the UK now, and intensely lobbying once again to make it legally mandatory, now in YOUR country.

Thanks, I didn't know and I'll look into it. But, I'd be very surprised if they got it in mandatory, for a start it would be the first vaccine that's mandatory in this country (as far as I'm aware) and second, it'll be down to the NHS to supply it, and they don't tend to let any old shit past.

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Hell even if I hated you, your kids ain't never done me no harm, you know ?

Sure, though your animosity towards me baffles me a bit. Unless you hold major grudges for past comments, but to be frank you've given me as good as I've given you.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:50 AM

CHRISISALL

Frem, you're so....sweet...sort of...

I eat vaccines for breakfast Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:33 AM

FREMDFIRMA

It's not you, Cit, so much as the whole tit-for-tat post and repost some folk do when trying to get reason out of someone clearly determined to be unreasonable who keeps changing the terms, definitions, and frame of the discussion in order to do anything BUT discuss it.

All that does is just static out the discussion and irritate the hell out of everyone who IS trying to discuss it, and I lit you up for it once and we had a nice little row over it, as I recall.

Doesn't mean I dislike YOU, per se, and you're by far not the only one I've kicked in the shins for it - take the snark as a compliment that I give a damn enough about your opinions to be irritated by em... if I thought it likely to truly and deeply offend you, I wouldn't do it, or wouldn't do it without outright intention TO offend.

-F

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Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:39 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"I eat vaccines for breakfast Chrisisall" I do too, though sometimes they're called yogurt and sometimes keffir.

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Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:15 AM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
It's not you, Cit, so much as the whole tit-for-tat post and repost some folk do when trying to get reason out of someone clearly determined to be unreasonable who keeps changing the terms, definitions, and frame of the discussion in order to do anything BUT discuss it.

Personally I think those sorts of people always need to be challenged, lest they fool people who don't know they're only here because they read "Browncoat" and thought it said "Brownshirt" and signed up.

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Doesn't mean I dislike YOU, per se, and you're by far not the only one I've kicked in the shins for it - take the snark as a compliment that I give a damn enough about your opinions to be irritated by em... if I thought it likely to truly and deeply offend you, I wouldn't do it, or wouldn't do it without outright intention TO offend.

Fair enough.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Wednesday, November 21, 2007 2:38 PM

LEADB

You should modify the title to read 'Oh worthy comrades from England!' or something like that. Otherwise, Fletch2 might miss this thread.

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Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:15 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Better ?

And I was soooo tempted to use the W word too.

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Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:17 PM

LEADB

As soon as I saw it I knew you heeded my advice. In your own particular idiom, of course.

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Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:28 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

This is the vaccine that the current Texas Gov tried to make manditory for all young girls to take, right ? Man, that's Alliance stuff for certain.

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Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:39 AM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Better ?

And I was soooo tempted to use the W word too.

Work?

Bloody Yankees.

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Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:46 AM

FLETCH2

Well first up it won't be "mandatory" no immunization is because even the most necessary ones can have bad side effects on young children. Parents always get an option of opting out.

Second the NHS has limited funding there will be studies done to assess costs, risks and benefits before it goes to wide spread adoption.

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Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:06 AM

FREMDFIRMA

I hope so, but be prepared to fight it regardless, look what happened in texas as an example.

Merck has a LOT of money, which can buy a great deal of political clout if used in the right places, so don't let your guard down till it blindsides you like it did those texans.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:13 AM

ANNUETTE

Hopefully it won't come to that, there are a lot more testing levels done here then in a lot of the countries and i doubt the bigger ones like Glaxo will touch it without the right steps being taken but I'm definitely glad you warned us. I very much doubt the NHS will take it on either with limited funds and the newest cervical cancer vaccines taking up a lot of their studies, but it's possible other private ones will. One which are looking for a big name and big publicity.

Saying that though after the Parexel scare and publicity they might find themselves not having all that much luck.

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Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:32 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Related linkage

Reports from Feb, initial responses.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/62176.php
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/63586.php

VAERS
http://www.vaers.hhs.gov/

Gullian-Barre Syndrome, the most common "side effect" of such, very traumatic and often resulting in permanent neurological damage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain-Barr%C3%A9_syndrome

And I wouldn't count on it, annuette, GSK is already ramping up their own followup profitmaker by the name of Ceravix right behind Merck's Gardasil.

Neither of which has even been in existance long enough to have any evidence of the long-term effectiveness they cite, but the casualties stacked up so fast I am a bit appalled that it hasn't been yanked and blacklisted here.

At least you folk don't have to worry about Thimerosal on top of it, as THAT is banned, and wisely so, in every country but this one.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 12:03 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Update (Australia), not very informative and written from a pro-merck bias - but still further evidence of a serious reaction problem.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0%2C21985%2C22864043-2862%2C00.
html

I just don't get how that can say a vacc is gonna protect someone X amount of years down the road when it's not been in existance that long, and there's so many other factors in those years.

Also, concerns about longterm effects that folks will be unable to prove causation of, five, ten years down the road... if some reactions are so bad these kids collapse on the spot, who's to say there might not be other problems that will manifest later, when it's so much harder to prove causation ?

I dunno, but I sure as heck wouldn't risk the health of any of my own to find out.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 12:19 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Ok, apparently a UK paper did touch on it, a Londoner I talk to on occasion sent this one in.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0,,2042653,00.html

What drew my concern and attention in the first place was these heavy lobbying and strongarm tactics to get it sold to as many folks as possible as fast as possible, perhaps even with Government force behind it to make sure.

As if they want it done before before something happens..
As if they wanna get rid of it quick..
As if they wanna make their buck and wash their hands of it..

It just.. seems suspicious, for something that if it was so desired and effective, why the push against further testing, why the strongarm ?

-F

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 3:20 AM

HIXIE129

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