Sigh. The list is so long already. by rue

AND....did ya hear the other good news today?...Hitler just signed a treaty agreement with Prime Minister Chamberlin that states and pledges that Germany will not seek any additional land or engage in aggression against its' neighbors. The document was witnessed by foreign dignitaries and invited guests, and will certainly be regarded in future history as a pivotal moment in the affairs of modern man; thus ensuring and securing trust and peace. Hooray, hoorah! Peace In Our Time!

"Nazi Germany will not kill any Jews" - L.A. Times
"Nazi Germany will not kill any gypsies"- NY Times
"Nazi Germany will not kill any homosexuals"- Daily Mirror
"Nazi Germany will not kill any Catholic priests and nuns" - Washington Post
"Nazi Germany will not kill any college professors" - Harvard Law Review
"Nazi Germany will not kill any Poles, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, French, British, Czechslovakians, Romanians, Greeks, Egyptians, Bulgarians, Russians, Aleuts, Canadians, Dutch, Norwegians, Swedes, Tunisians, Italians, Hungarians, Croats, Belgians, Turks,...or anybody else as far as we can determine" - The Whole Dumbass World

Fool the world once, shame on your Mr. Mass Murder Threatener Turned Exceptionally Proficient Real Mass Murderer....Fool the world twice, and you'll find Liberals and Candides sucking on that horseshit teat.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 3:24 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

If you ask me it sounds like their plans for a "premptive" first strike suffered a set back.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 3:31 PM

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Kirkules

I'm giving you the opportunity now to change your post.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 3:38 PM

KIRKULES

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Kirkules

I'm giving you the opportunity now to change your post.

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Thought that might start some interesting responses. Go ahead, tell me what an idiot I am, maybe I'll learn something.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 3:42 PM

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U.S. Says Hussein Must Cede Power to Head Off War

By FELICITY BARRINGER with DAVID E. SANGER

UNITED NATIONS, Feb. 28 — The White House said today that the only way to prevent war in Iraq would be to disarm the country and depose Saddam Hussein.

Look up the article. The final excuse to attack had nothing to do with WMD.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 3:58 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA

I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just curious about one thing.

It was said Bin Ladin (sp?) was responcible and the US reacted by going to (was it Iran or Iraq? Been so long I can't remember) to get Ladin.

Then they said they were after Hussien (man I'm bad at spelling today) since he was behind it all, and they got him.

But...... if it was really Hussien then why didn't they go after him first and not finger Ladin?

Again, I ask out of confusion and curiosity, because there have been so many they said/we said I can't keep it straight.

Silent Hill's not that great. Nothing to do with this discussion I just happened to watch it today. Don't.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 4:10 PM

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Originally posted by Misstressahara:
I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just curious about one thing.

It was said Bin Ladin (sp?) was responcible and the US reacted by going to (was it Iran or Iraq? Been so long I can't remember) to get Ladin.

Bin Ladin(sp?) was in Afghanistan. The US invaded it, and chased him into the mountains, probably near or just inside the Pakistan boarders

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Then they said they were after Hussien (man I'm bad at spelling today) since he was behind it all, and they got him.

Officially, the US has never said there was a connection between Hussien and 9/11. The fact that Bush & friends seemed to use language that caused many people to think there was was merely a 'bad coincidence' which they did NOT intend. If you don't believe me, just ask them. Iraq (Hussien) was invaded because Iraq refused to provide proof sufficient for Bush to convince him Iraq no longer had WMD. Or he went in for the oil, you decide. In any case, it is roundly agreed (by folks who are not completely confused) that there was no connection between 9/11 and Iraq.

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But...... if it was really Hussien then why didn't they go after him first and not finger Ladin?

Fear of Weapons of Mass Destruction.

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Again, I ask out of confusion and curiosity, because there have been so many they said/we said I can't keep it straight.

Most folks can't. In fact, I expect several folks to chime in to tell you I'm wrong. That's ok.

PS. You didn't see me post this, I'm still taking a break from RWED.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 4:21 PM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Sounds like another great success for Bush/US foreign policy. Bush informed the world after 911 that dictators that support terrorists will not be allowed to have WMDs. Iraq wouldn't prove to the world that they did'nt have WMDs and Bush backed up his words. Since then Libya gave up their nuclear weapons program and now we find out Iran did also. Iran didn't end their program because of pressure by the world community, they did it because Bush proved the US means what it says. Bush also removed the only real threat to Iran which was Saddam's Iraq. Next thing you know North Korea will be shutting down it's nuclear power plants.

Very refreshing post to see here. I don't know where you've been, but a few here see things similarly.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 4:47 PM

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"But...... if it was really Hussein then why didn't they go after him first and not finger Laden?"

"Fear of Weapons of Mass Destruction."

It wasn't Hussein. Also, Bush went after Hussein precisely b/c there were no WMD. Think about it. If Hussein had all those weapons they claimed he had, it would have meant massive US casualties. But troops were sent over anyway. And at that point UN inspectors were in Iraq and needed a few weeks to finish their inspection which would have showed no WMD. So the attack not coincidentally cut short the UN inspections that were about to show no WMD.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 7:30 PM

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Liars on both sides, and those that echo their hollow meaningless words of deciet. If you're on either side, you're not on my side.

Come.... Join me on the fence....

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 7:38 PM

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There's nothing 'explosive' here, what so ever. It shows Bush was right, as usual. They stopped their Nuke program back in '03, after we went into Iraq. They stopped it as did Mohmar Khadaffy did in Lybia.

Only we've never really been told what the Israelis took out in Syria last summer, did we ?

Hmmm....

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Bush informed the world after 911 that dictators that support terrorists will not be allowed to have WMDs. Iraq wouldn't prove to the world that they did'nt have WMDs and Bush backed up his words.

The only problem is that what they wanted was Iraq to show them their 'WMD's', and show them being destroyed. If they never had any, how the hell are they supposed to do that?

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
"Nazi Germany will not kill any Jews" - L.A. Times
"Nazi Germany will not kill any gypsies"- NY Times
"Nazi Germany will not kill any homosexuals"- Daily Mirror
"Nazi Germany will not kill any Catholic priests and nuns" - Washington Post
"Nazi Germany will not kill any college professors" - Harvard Law Review
"Nazi Germany will not kill any Poles, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, French, British, Czechslovakians, Romanians, Greeks, Egyptians, Bulgarians, Russians, Aleuts, Canadians, Dutch, Norwegians, Swedes, Tunisians, Italians, Hungarians, Croats, Belgians, Turks,...or anybody else as far as we can determine" - The Whole Dumbass World

Got a cite for these headlines?

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Fool the world once, shame on your Mr. Mass Murder Threatener Turned Exceptionally Proficient Real Mass Murderer....Fool the world twice, and you'll find Liberals and Candides sucking on that horseshit teat.

Please tell me that you didn't compare Saddam to Hitler with a straight face.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 12:12 AM

MISSTRESSAHARA

Well my head just blew up.

I think I should just stay out of these threads..... less I'm drunk. Tah.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by Misstressahara:
Well my head just blew up.

A Hitchhikers Guide to the RWED:

Don't Panic.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 7:27 AM

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"It shows Bush was right, as usual."

Is that the Bush that didn't know about this until a few days ago, the one that didn't know until August, or the one that knew four years ago ?

Perhaps it's the one that is taking credit for reducing the danger, or maybe it's the other one who says Iran is just as dangerous as ever.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 7:37 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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There's nothing 'explosive' here, what so ever. It shows Bush was right, as usual. They stopped their Nuke program back in '03, after we went into Iraq.

So what the f*ck was Bush blathering on for months about Iran's so-called nuclear weapons program and WWIII??? Or was he just lying... again?

Bet THIS puts a kink in his plans to bomb Iran and station "defensive" missiles in Eastern Europe.

Bush. Nonetheless, the Conservative Israeli government is promising that "we" (USA and Israel... and their great friend Lieberman) will push ahead to stop Iran. So

Lieberman too... he'as really the Knesset's representative in the Senate.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 7:41 AM

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Please tell me that you didn't compare Saddam to Hitler with a straight face.

How 'bout....Please don't mis-interpret my post as being related to Saddam, when it clearly relates, as does the whole thread, to Iran. Is that too obtuse for you to comprehend with a straight face?

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 7:58 AM

sorry...dbl post

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 7:59 AM

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So Lieberman too... he'as really the Knesset's representative in the Senate.

Joe Lieberman....a rare bird indeed, a Moderate Democrat
Joe Lieberman...a former Democrat Icon for decades
Joe Lieberman...a former Democrat Vice President candidate
Joe Lieberman,..a respected American legislator and statesman, who just happened to break ranks with the MoveOn rabid radicals now calling themselves Democrats in Congress.
Joe Lieberman...who humiliated these current MoveOn Democrats by defeating them as an Independent when they tried to oust him from his Senate seat
Now this blatantly absurd revisionist charge of being an agent for Israel. How loverly!

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 8:15 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Please tell me that you didn't compare Saddam to Hitler with a straight face.

How 'bout....Please don't mis-interpret my post as being related to Saddam, when it clearly relates, as does the whole thread, to Iran. Is that too obtuse for you to comprehend with a straight face?

I'm pretty sure your post actually mentioned Saddam, but giving the benefit of the doubt, making comparisons between Iran and Nazi Germany is even more absurd.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 8:16 AM

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2003: Dubious, unverifiable intelligence is enough to incite war with Iraq.

2007: Accurate, unilateral intelligence is not enough to prevent war with Iran.

--WhoDied

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You figure Serenity's still
waitin' for us?

If they are, everyone's fired.

And if they're not?

Everyone's fired.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 8:21 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Now this blatantly absurd revisionist charge of being an agent for Israel. How loverly!

On May 2, 2002, the Senate of the U.S. passed a notorious pro-Israel Resolution (S. Res. 247), with respect to the Mid-East controversy. Its co author was Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT). In pushing the measure, he barked, “You are either with us or the terrorists” (Washington Times, May 3, 2002). Who is this “us” he is talking about? www.mediamonitors.net/williamhughes1.html

The "us" he was talking about (in that conext) is Israel. He seem to be confused about what nation he represents.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 8:27 AM

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I'm pretty sure your post actually mentioned Saddam, but giving the benefit of the doubt, making comparisons between Iran and Nazi Germany is even more absurd.

Really? Let's see....
First : Well you're "pretty sure"...OK...I suppose it was too much of an effort to scroll up a hair to actually see and read my post before you chose to argue with it; t'aint a word about Heussein or Iraq in it.
Next : Let's add it up shall we :
Iran threatens to wipe Israel off the map, speech after speech
Iran threatens the entire West, speech after speech
Iran arms terrorists all over the world...Hezbollah, Al Qaida, Hamas,etc etc all offshoots developed and funded by Iran...but You cannot possibly draw a parallel in any way, shape, or form....just cannot fathom any similarity between these Iranian threats and the types of threats Hitler made before actually carrying out his mad plans.....you cannot? Ok I believe you...debate over, thanks.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 8:34 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Now this blatantly absurd revisionist charge of being an agent for Israel. How loverly!
On May 2, 2002, the Senate of the U.S. passed a notorious pro-Israel Resolution (S. Res. 247), with respect to the Mid-East controversy. Its co author was Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-CT). In pushing the measure, he barked, “You are either with us or the terrorists” (Washington Times, May 3, 2002). Who is this “us” he is talking about? www.mediamonitors.net/williamhughes1.html

The "us" he was talking about (in that conext) is Israel. He seem to be confused about what nation he represents.

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Oh dradle, dradle, dradle
I made it out of clay
And when it's dry and ready
I'll lend it to ya Signy and you can spin it every day

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 8:42 AM

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Really? Let's see....
First : Well you're "pretty sure"...OK...I suppose it was too much of an effort to scroll up a hair to actually see and read my post before you chose to argue with it; t'aint a word about Heussein or Iraq in it.

No, there isn't NOW, that's why I said I'd give you the benefit of the doubt.

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Next : Let's add it up shall we :
Iran threatens to wipe Israel off the map, speech after speech

Well, America has conquered a number of countries and is threatening others, but I don't think America is in anyway equivalent to Nazi Germany.

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Iran arms terrorists all over the world...Hezbollah, Al Qaida, Hamas,etc etc all offshoots developed and funded by Iran...

Isn't it wonderful when we don't feel like we have to prove a single thing we say. America has funded countless Terrorist organisations, but again doesn't make America Nazi Germany.

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but You cannot possibly draw a parallel in any way, shape, or form....just cannot fathom any similarity between these Iranian threats and the types of threats Hitler made before actually carrying out his mad plans.....you cannot? Ok I believe you...debate over, thanks.

No, I can't, because I have some perspective and I'm not so far up the modern day bullshit propaganda that I'm willing to insult everyone who fought and died in the most destructive conflict in human history for a short term rhetorical gain. Debate over indeed, unfortunately due to your childish emotive behaviour, it never even started.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 8:45 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So, was Bush lying all along about Iran's "nuclear weapons program"?

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 9:11 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
So, was Bush lying all along about Iran's "nuclear weapons program"?

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Of course not. The President is clearly incapable of lying. There being no nuclear program proves that Bush was right about there being a nuclear program all along.

It's just that those evil liberals went back in time, and asked Iran to stop their program 4 years ago, so as to unfairly discredit the Administration now.

Duh.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 9:15 AM

I know you Brits are barraged every day by your anti-American BBC propaganda machine & therefore are fairly clueless about the real world. I know your country has caved in to Muslims by getting on your knees to them and agreeing to stop teaching anything about The Holocaust to kids in school...and I understand why. Sadly, I can't do anything to help you except an occasional post here and there. You want to compare America to Iran and that's fine. It's actually terrific! Maybe, just maybe, some not-so-propagandized 'coat here will see through your web of smugness and moral un-equivalencies and make a rational judgement on their own. You and your ilk are too far gone.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 9:31 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So Jongsstraw- I know you'd rather talk about dradles and Lieberman and Brits and all, but you seem to be avoiding the question: Was Bush lying?

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 9:40 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Veteran:
If you ask me it sounds like their plans for a "premptive" first strike suffered a set back.

Actually, if its true, then it proves that Iran has caved to international...US-led pressure, just like Libya did.

I'd suggest its as much the French decision to support a confrontationalist policy. Suddenly the NATO Alliance stands together and folk back down. That's what Saddam would have done in 2003 if France had stood firm back then.

Suddenly Iran was faced with the prospect of a war they could not win. If they continued the attack would come (either by the US or Isreal). The US would not be content with half measures...this attack would have included an invasion and now it was apparent the invasion would involve French troops as well as British and American.

Likely this is not a stopping of the program. Rather its designed to buy to and lay low, like the North Korean pledge Clinton got in 1994 that was broken almost right away. Iran needs time to develop a missile that can reach Isreal and Europe. They also are likely to follow Saddam's lead of buying off political opposition (especially liberal types) in the various countries to divide world opinion when the time to destroy Isreal comes.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 9:49 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So Hero: Was Bush lying for months and months when he kept on about Iran's nuclear weapons program?

It's a very simple question, but Jongsstraw, Auraptor, and Hero have not yet addressed it.

I wonder why....

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They also are likely to follow Saddam's lead

In that case, they have gotten rid of all WMD. Good for them.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 10:06 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Okay, Bush-supporters, I'll let you off the hook. You don't have to answer the question whether Bush lied. (Yes he did.) But just remember this for the future under Lessons Learned: Politicians lie. Even Republican Presidents. Next time, don't believe everything they say.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
So Jongsstraw- I know you'd rather talk about dradles and Lieberman and Brits and all, but you seem to be avoiding the question: Was Bush lying?

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No
This new intel report just came out, & as predicted Liberals are so quick to say that everything's just fine now...crisis over...whew!. Wolf in sheep's clothing my friend...and yes...I really do like dradles, Lieberman, and Brits.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 10:42 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"This new intel report just came out"

But Bush knew about in August, and even years ago when it was preliminary.

So, are you saying he's an incompetent boob who doesn't know what he's told, or a liar ?

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 11:09 AM

I already answered Signy's question.
I can't answer your question as it appears to be a fool's trap.
I know you think I'm a fool, so why bother even asking me anything?

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 11:14 AM

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No, not a fool's trap. It's the logical conclusion to your own ideas.

Either Bush DID know, and lied anyway.
Or he DIDN'T know, even though it was important and there are records of meetings and memos informing him - in which case he's a fool.

Can you come up with a third option ?

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 11:31 AM

There are always options....as Badger said once, Let me see your teeth..No, sorry wrong example...ah, politics and crime, situations are always fluid. I can play the no sum gain game too. Gotta log off from work now...Ta Ta...cheery-bye!

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 11:33 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by rue:
Either Bush DID know, and lied anyway.
Or he DIDN'T know, even though it was important and there are records of meetings and memos informing him - in which case he's a fool.

Can you come up with a third option ?

Why does everything have to be so black and white for you when the rest of us live in a world of greys?
Perhaps Bush knew and continued with the rhetoric to increase U.N. pressure against Iran.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 11:35 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by SignyM:
So Hero: Was Bush lying for months and months when he kept on about Iran's nuclear weapons program?

Perhaps. But its more likely that the program is not or was not entirely shut down or that there were conflicting reports.

Its also likely that this issue was used to exert pressure on Iran to curtail the flow of Iranian weapons into Iraq and money to Palestinian terrorists.

There are nuances to International Relations that go beyond the what a person says. In other words he was saying one thing, and meaning another in which case it was not a lie at all since it was never meant as a statement of fact but rather an assertion of our position (that the US would would confront Iran on issues related to the War on Terror and the Iraq and Afgani conflicts). I note for the record that France, privy to the same intellegence, took the same approach and that together the US and France got Iran to blink on the nuclear issue.

Now Almond-dinner-jihad said that his country had enough centrifuges to begin industrial scale production of weapons grade material. I think they called a national holiday to celebrate and he danced with Nancy Pelosi. You combine that with his pledge to remove Isreal from the map and I think you can see where this is heading. Either we shoot first and end the threat or he shoots first and ends Isreal. Option 3, he backs down. Clearly Option three is preferred, but shooting first is the second best option (same applies to any fight you get in).

H

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 11:53 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by SignyM:
So Lieberman too... he'as really the Knesset's representative in the Senate.

Yeah, and Senator Daniel Akaka (D-HI) is a pawn of Hawaiian nationalists.

Actually, I note for the record that Senator Akaka did try to give ethnic Hawaiians the same status as Indian tribes so that they could be exempt from a large number Federal or State laws. It was considered a strong first step towards Hawaiian soveriegnty.

H

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 12:10 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Bush "said" one thing but "meant" another. Hmmm. Do you know what that sounds like? And then he followed it up with: Although he knew there was "new" intelligence on Iran in August he didn't see it until just a month ago.

So OOC, which version do you believe? That he deliberately misled everyone (allies included) or that he really didn't know?

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 12:13 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Perhaps Bush knew and continued with the rhetoric.... In other words, he continued to mislead the people of United States and our allies. That is the definition of "A LIE". Maybe it was a lie with a purpose, but it was still a lie. OTOH Bush claims he really DIDN'T know. So my question to you is the same as to Hero: Which version do you believe? Was he lying then? Or is he lying now?

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 12:27 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

lie
n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 1:25 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
"It shows Bush was right, as usual."

Is that the Bush that didn't know about this until a few days ago, the one that didn't know until August, or the one that knew four years ago ?

Perhaps it's the one that is taking credit for reducing the danger, or maybe it's the other one who says Iran is just as dangerous as ever.

I got news for ya. No one " knows " , for certain. Not Bush. Not Pelosi, Not Biden, not even the National Intelligence Estimate. In short, it's our best guess, based on the info we've obtained. This Liberal media, clapping its hands and trying to spin the story in a way which makes Bush look bad, was the same Liberal media which was crucifying the various sources which make up the N.I.E. w/ respect towards Iraq.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 1:32 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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There's nothing 'explosive' here, what so ever. It shows Bush was right, as usual. They stopped their Nuke program back in '03, after we went into Iraq.
So what the f*ck was Bush blathering on for months about Iran's so-called nuclear weapons program and WWIII??? Or was he just lying... again?

He wasn't lying in the least. Do you NOT know of Iran's involvement in terrorist activity ? Have you not heard Imanutjob spout off about wiping Israel off the face of the planet ???

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Bet THIS puts a kink in his plans to bomb Iran and station "defensive" missiles in Eastern Europe. Bush. Nonetheless, the Conservative Israeli government is promising that "we" (USA and Israel... and their great friend Lieberman) will push ahead to stop Iran. So Lieberman too... he'as really the Knesset's representative in the Senate.

I hope it doesn't, and I'm glad he's thinking of doing something to stop the Whacko Muslim nutcases in their tracks. Joe's a cool cat, imo. And absolutely right to be concerned about Iran. Best case scenario, we help bring Iran down from in the inside, helping freedom loving Iranians who are tired of all this religous opression. Then maybe REAL peace can exist in the middle east.

Maybe.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 1:43 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
So, was Bush lying all along about Iran's "nuclear weapons program"?

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Always look upstream.

You don't read words very well, do you ? The NIE report said that Iran HAD A NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM in 2003 , and then suspended it. They didn't destroy it, it's likely they can restart it on a moments notice.

- Associated Press
Wednesday, December 5, 2007 (Tehran)
A new US intelligence review concluding Iran stopped developing an atomic weapons program in 2003 http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070034984&ch
=12/5/2007%203:20:00%20PM

You can't stop doing something if you never were doing it in the first place. How then, did the N.I.E. arrive at the conclusion that Iran ( wait for it .... ) STOPPED developing their nuclear weapons program if there never was a nuclear weapons program to stop development of in the first place???

Honestly, putting tape on the bottom of a cat's paws and watching it try to walk is about the only thing funnier than watching a Liberal try to grasp basic, simple logic. ( Though some would claim the logic trick is more cruel )

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007 1:51 PM