What If? For President... by AnthonyT

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What If? For President...

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Friday, January 4, 2008 16:27
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Friday, January 4, 2008 6:42 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I was wondering if any of you could clue me in on the policies and intentions of the two current front-runners...

What if Obama became President? What does he believe in? Does he want my guns?

What if Huckabee became President? What does he believe in? Would he bring religosity to the fuzzy wuzzies?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, January 4, 2008 6:58 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
What if Obama became President? What does he believe in? Does he want my guns?

I think he'd like your guns, but he really wants your butter (ie your money in the form of taxes). Seems to be a good fello, father of young children. Traditional liberal values (taxes, govt is solution for everything). Does not support the war but will not (yet) commit to an immediate withdrawl (which places him in the position of being against the war in principle, but not advocating wholesale surrender like most Democratic leaders). Very inexperianced and it comes out once in a while when he gets tripped up. Lacks the corruption factor that Hillary seems to carry. Oprah loves him and has endorsed him.

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What if Huckabee became President? What does he believe in? Would he bring religosity to the fuzzy wuzzies?

He'll cut some taxes but reserves the right to raise some. He wants to revamp the whole tax collection system too. He plans to stop illegal immigration, continue to aggressively pursue terror, but he wants to move away from Bush foriegn policy to be more flexible in his options (in other words he's laying the groundwork to try to reach out to old Europe in the hopes of bringing them back into the fight...especially now that they seem to be getting up some nerve on their own). Huckabee might be a former minister, but he's spent 12 years running Arkansas without it being an issue (most executive experiance of any candidate). Turns out you can be a man of faith AND an elected official. Likes guns and when he hunts he hits what he's shooting at (man shot a pheasant in front of a crowd of reporters). Used to be fat, lost 150lbs (I lost 170 myself...its a BIG deal). Seems to be a good fellow with traditional social conservative values and moderate conservative economic policy. Married with grown sons. Chuck Norris is his best buddy.

H

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Friday, January 4, 2008 7:00 AM

BADKARMA00

Those are good questions to be asking. I don't know that I've read where OH!bama has said anything about gun control one way or another. I guess he's waiting for OH!prah to tell him, lol.

Guess we'll find out as the politicing season goes along. I think I'll start looking though.

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Gun Rights Activists

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Friday, January 4, 2008 8:17 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by badkarma00:
I don't know that I've read where OH!bama has said anything about gun control one way or another.

Here:

Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?
A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we've had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We've got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who've been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That's a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don't have it right now.

Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007

And:

I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

He's right about the moral issue of murder.

And:

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

And: He voted 'no' on bill to limit civil lawsuits against gun manufacturers. Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005

Can't say he's a radical here. He seems pretty in step with the Democratic Platform on the gun issue. I like his point about the morality of murder. I think if Republicans could shift the debate in that direction it would make it an issue not of guns killing people, but immoral people killing people in the decaying inner city culture suffering under fifty years of failed liberal social engineering.

H

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Friday, January 4, 2008 11:01 AM

FREMDFIRMA

They are politicians, career politicians - they will do whatever gets the most votes in public, and whatever gets the most PAC money behind your back.

And THAT is the only position you can count on from either of them.

-F

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Friday, January 4, 2008 11:12 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
They are politicians, career politicians - they will do whatever gets the most votes in public, and whatever gets the most PAC money behind your back.

I disagree. There is so much money in politics you can get money for nearly every side of any potential issue. That gives a person the freedom to choose whatever position they honostly feel is best and get the same money.

Take abortion. A candidate does not have to pretend to be pro choice to get money. If they are pro life they get pro life money.

That said there is a degree of pandering phonyness to many candidates. But I think they are pandering to the voters for votes, not to the special interests for money. They get money regardless.

H

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Friday, January 4, 2008 3:31 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

It sounds as though Obama will shut down my gun rights (privileges, for those of you who don't believe in rights).

What sorts of freedoms is Huckabee likely to curtail? I may need to make a choice based on 'maximum possible freedom.'

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, January 4, 2008 4:27 PM

KIRKULES

Obama's lack of experience really bothers me. I'm worried he might mistake the raise taxes button for the launch nuclear strike button and end the world on accident.

Although Huckabee is closer to me on the issues don't like his lack of foreign policy experience either. Plus, I don't think I could bring myself to vote for a former Baptist minister. I know it's religious prejudice but a minister is disqualified from being President by my way of thinking. Which is weird because Bush's personal faith was never an issue for me. But having said all that, if Chuck Norris tells me I have to vote for Huckabee of coarse I will.

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