Edwards is Out by SignyM

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My professor once told me this...(its been a little while so I can't quote it exactly)

"Us baby-boomers and hippies all believed we could change the world. It was drilled into us. By each other, music, and the media, that we were going to change things. We would run around doing what we did, all the while telling each other to "Change the World". And we did. In a lot of ways, the stupid, idiotic things we did, changed how stuff was done and looked at. But we never stopped to ask if what we were doing was right. It was all a bra burning, weed, LSD, anti-Vietnam roller-coaster. So now here I am, and I see what my generation has REALLY done. How we all turned out, and what really changed because of what we did.

So.... I'm here going to tell you what we should have told ourselves. I'm going to give you a mantra that we SHOULD have had. Change the World....but FOR THE BETTER!"

All the hippies and baby-boomers out there, what did you leave us GenXers? Now that we start to shoulder the responsibility of running things, did you make things better for anyone? Really?

How many of you ended up doing, being, and acting like the people you were supposidly "protesting" against?

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Friday, February 1, 2008 9:42 AM

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Us baby-boomers and hippies all believed we could change the world. It was drilled into us. By each other, music, and the media, that we were going to change things. We would run around doing what we did, all the while telling each other to "Change the World". And we did. In a lot of ways, the stupid, idiotic things we did, changed how stuff was done and looked at. But we never stopped to ask if what we were doing was right. It was all a bra burning, weed, LSD, anti-Vietnam roller-coaster. So now here I am, and I see what my generation has REALLY done. How we all turned out, and what really changed because of what we did.

So.... I'm here going to tell you what we should have told ourselves. I'm going to give you a mantra that we SHOULD have had. Change the World....but FOR THE BETTER!"

All the hippies and baby-boomers out there, what did you leave us GenXers? Now that we start to shoulder the responsibility of running things, did you make things better for anyone? Really? How many of you ended up doing, being, and acting like the people you were supposidly "protesting" against?

I find a lot of baby-boomers still more socially responsible than the generation that came after. I could see it while I was at university: Hey, no man, I can't get involved in the protest. I gotta study for my Chem finals and get an A so I can get into med school and make a lot of money.

What came out of the baby boomers were successful movements: The environmental, women's, and antiwar movements. They ALL changed things for the better. They built on the success of the previous civil rights movement, which I gratefully acknowledge. A lot of people put their lives on the line- and some were killed- for a better world.

Are you looking for a "permanent" fix? One that you don't have to personally work on? Sorry to disappoint you, but you also have to put your *ss into making this a better place 'cause mommy and daddy can't solve all of your problems. My humble opinion is that it's time to take down the multinationals, and chop some power structures down to size, and get control of our population growth. Are you ready to work with me on that?

As for me, when I was in High School I belonged to an evironmental club and we ran a weekend recycling center. At 53 I'm lucky to still be doing what I believe in. How about you?

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Friday, February 1, 2008 9:58 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
My professor once told me this...(its been a little while so I can't quote it exactly)

"Us baby-boomers and hippies all believed we could change the world. It was drilled into us. By each other, music, and the media, that we were going to change things. We would run around doing what we did, all the while telling each other to "Change the World". And we did. In a lot of ways, the stupid, idiotic things we did, changed how stuff was done and looked at. But we never stopped to ask if what we were doing was right. It was all a bra burning, weed, LSD, anti-Vietnam roller-coaster. So now here I am, and I see what my generation has REALLY done. How we all turned out, and what really changed because of what we did.

So.... I'm here going to tell you what we should have told ourselves. I'm going to give you a mantra that we SHOULD have had. Change the World....but FOR THE BETTER!"

All the hippies and baby-boomers out there, what did you leave us GenXers? Now that we start to shoulder the responsibility of running things, did you make things better for anyone? Really?

How many of you ended up doing, being, and acting like the people you were supposidly "protesting" against?

You and your professor are 100% correct.
The Age of Aquarius came to a screeching halt sometime between Altamount & Kent State....also the drug deaths of Jim Morrisson, Jimi Hendrix, and Janis. Later, in the 70's...a time of gas lines, 14% interest rate economic adjustments, disco & polyester, leading into the Reagan 80's money grubfest. The youth today have inherited all that has been cast aside, like the molted layer of snake skin, and are living thru the absolute worst overall situations in 60 years....except for Firefly!

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Friday, February 1, 2008 10:26 AM

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Ok, Sig, Ill respond to your specific "accomplishments"

Environmental: Yes, progress was made. However, it is folks of your generation who are still leading the charge to cut down the rainforests, cut down the local forests (for strip malls or condos), dumping oil in Alaska, drilling for oil in Alaska, killing off the re-introduced wolves in Yellowstone, dumping garbage and medical waste in the ocean (and everywhere else), creating hazardous chemicals, improperly disposing those chemicals, ect ect. The lsit can go on.

And Ill bet my drained social security that many of those doing it were ex-hippies.

The Womens Movement: Ok..... what exactly are we talking about? Yes, women can now make the same as men and do the same jobs. But at what cost? Children grow up without mothers now more than ever. Divorce is the highest its ever been. The stability of almost any family is in doubt. ALL thanks to this "progress".

No, I am not for the whole "woman in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant" schtick. But COME ON! A woman used to be the anchor that held a family together. Now, its considered a good thing if she dumps her kids at day care and lets the government/schools raise them.

Forget love and support (not to mention honoring) your family. Now its all about doing for yourself. Why stay married, why even bother GETTING married?

Keep in mind, I do have a lot of respect for single mothers. They do the best they can. But the question that ALWAYS pops in my head when I see them is "What the F*** did you do wrong? Where is your husband, or at the very least THEIR father?"

If the guy was an abusive bastard, then I can understand it. In fact I encourage women to leave physically abusive relationships. Or if he was a cheater. Or a thief. Or someone who abused the children.

But too many of todays women leave because they just can't handle a man. They can't stand a man having his own opinion, strengths ect.

Todays women are a hell of a lot more greedy, selfish, spoiled, stuck up, and shallow then they were years ago. Its ruined families time and again and I lay that directly at the Hippies dirty feet.

Anti-War: The hippies/baby-boomers were the ones who spit on the soldiers coming home from Vietnam. They were the ones calling them "baby-killers" ect ect. I have no respect for any group that would do that. Ever. Anti-war? Give me a break.

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, we WON Vietnam.

Because noone is going to look at that fraked up place and EVER doubt that we will bleed ourselves dry for something we want.

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Friday, February 1, 2008 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
My professor once told me this...(its been a little while so I can't quote it exactly)

"Us baby-boomers and hippies all believed we could change the world. It was drilled into us. By each other, music, and the media, that we were going to change things. We would run around doing what we did, all the while telling each other to "Change the World". And we did. In a lot of ways, the stupid, idiotic things we did, changed how stuff was done and looked at. But we never stopped to ask if what we were doing was right. It was all a bra burning, weed, LSD, anti-Vietnam roller-coaster. So now here I am, and I see what my generation has REALLY done. How we all turned out, and what really changed because of what we did.

So.... I'm here going to tell you what we should have told ourselves. I'm going to give you a mantra that we SHOULD have had. Change the World....but FOR THE BETTER!"

All the hippies and baby-boomers out there, what did you leave us GenXers? Now that we start to shoulder the responsibility of running things, did you make things better for anyone? Really?

How many of you ended up doing, being, and acting like the people you were supposidly "protesting" against?

You and your professor are 100% correct.
The Age of Aquarius came to a screeching halt sometime between Altamount & Kent State....also the drug deaths of Jim Morrission, Jimi Hendrix, and Janis. Later, in the 70's...a time of gas lines, 14% interest rate economic adjustments, disco & polyester, leading into the Reagan 80's money grubfest. The youth today have inherited all that has been cast aside, like the molted layer of snake skin, and are living thru the absolute worst overall situations in 60 years....except for Firefly!

Wow Jong, who would ever have thought WE would agree on something?

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Friday, February 1, 2008 10:39 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"many of those doing it were ex-hippies"

I just did a quick check of George W Bush, Richard 'Dick' Cheney, Sam Walton, Lee Raymond, Bill Gates, Louis Gerstner Jr and Paul Wolfowitz and determined that they were never hippies. I'll continue my search as time permits. However, I suspect that most of the rest of us - including ex-hippies - aren't running the show.

As for the women's movement - wow, who would have thought woment might actually want something for themselves, and some personal freedom too. Aren't they supposed to be just one big teat to suck on ? You know, feed the kids and keep the man hypnotized with one handy-dandy tool, and sacrifice all for the family in a way men aren't even asked to.

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Friday, February 1, 2008 10:47 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Wow Jong, who would ever have thought WE would agree on something?

I must have short-term memory loss, because I can't remember us not agreeing on anything.

I must have short-term memory loss, because I can't remember us not agreeing on anything.

I must have short-term memory loss, because I can't remember us not agreeing on anything.

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Friday, February 1, 2008 11:12 AM

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"many of those doing it were ex-hippies"

I just did a quick check of George W Bush, Richard 'Dick' Cheney, Sam Walton, Lee Raymond, Bill Gates, Louis Gerstner Jr and Paul Wolfowitz and determined that they were never hippies. I'll continue my search as time permits. However, I suspect that most of the rest of us - including ex-hippies - aren't running the show.

As for the women's movement - wow, who would have thought woment might actually want something for themselves, and some personal freedom too. Aren't they supposed to be just one big teat to suck on ? You know, feed the kids and keep the man hypnotized with one handy-dandy tool, and sacrifice all for the family in a way men aren't even asked to.

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*sigh Rue, you've totally missed the point.

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Friday, February 1, 2008 11:23 AM

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Wulf, are you bitching about my whole generation, the "ex-hippies" of my generation, or the rat-turds of my generation? (Every generation's got some.)

So- what IS your point?

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Friday, February 1, 2008 11:28 AM

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How about all of the above?

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Friday, February 1, 2008 11:54 AM

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But too many of todays women leave because they just can't handle a man. They can't stand a man having his own opinion, strengths ect.

Todays women are a hell of a lot more greedy, selfish, spoiled, stuck up, and shallow then they were years ago.

So, how long since she left you?

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Friday, February 1, 2008 12:31 PM

KIRKULES

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Originally posted by SignyM:
[quote, and get control of our population growth. Are you ready to work with me on that?

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Environmental: Yes, progress was made. However, it is folks of your generation who are still leading the charge to cut down the rainforests, cut down the local forests (for strip malls or condos), dumping oil in Alaska, drilling for oil in Alaska, killing off the re-introduced wolves in Yellowstone, dumping garbage and medical waste in the ocean (and everywhere else), creating hazardous chemicals, improperly disposing those chemicals, ect ect. The lsit can go on.

And Ill bet my drained social security that many of those doing it were ex-hippies.

Many of the problems Wulf sites are a direct result of excessive population growth. Americans could actually archive negative population growth if we reduced immigration. If we could just slow down the immigration rate to the point that we had a slightly negative population growth rate many of our problems would take care of themselves. The increased productivity we have achieved through technological advancement could increase the standard of living in the US if we could maintain productivity increases while reducing population. The problem is that we've put ourselves in a position that we need a lot of immigrants to pay for social security for the baby boomers. Once the boomers start to die there might be some hope of reducing population. Wulf is definitely right that the hippies are stealing his social security.

I'm pleased to hear that a few here are slightly older than me. I was beginning to think I was the oldest here.

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Friday, February 1, 2008 3:39 PM

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Wulf is definitely right that the hippies are stealing his social security.

Oh, he blames the boomers for everything. He's just a big whiner!

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Friday, February 1, 2008 5:03 PM

Thanks for the kind words Jongs. Just getting tired of fighting and looking for fights everywhere I turn. It's getting hard for me to get up and go to work every day because I work for the very beast I despise and after the buyout every day here seems worse. I know that even though I'm great at what I do I'm just a c-hair away from seeing the can-man. I haven't exactly made many new friends around here with upper management with my strong beliefs. One false move and I'm toast. For all I know, they'll be reading this post sometime tomorrow and my badge won't work to get in the building.

As for everything else that's been said on this thread afterwards I really can't say much about it. The one or two generations before me did a real good job fucking everything up. The American family is in shambles and I do agree that a lot of that has to do with women working along side of men, but at the same time I do see the flip side to that as well. Before all the haters come at me wielding their stilletto heels, I do not belive women to be inferior. I just think it rather unfortunate that the women who decide they want to do right and raise a family without their careers getting in the way (and I know plenty of women with this mindset, and it's not primative) have little choice but to go to work because it's so fucking hard to raise a family on one income. My personal opinion is that one of the two parents must stay at home with the kids. If both people in a relationship want to have careers, they must give up the desire to have children until they can put off the career.

But then I look at my own generation and I realize that most of them are too stupid or wrapped up in their own selfishness that they don't even realize how fucked up everything is. You can't even get them to stand for anything.

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Saturday, February 2, 2008 1:34 AM

JONGSSTRAW

I don't think you can lump all working women together as a group and point fingers that their presence in the workplace instead of being home for the kids is always a negative situation.

Like many things, I believe it still boils down to individual responsiblity. I work with many moms, both married and single. I'd say the single moms I know are the most diligent, most selfless and sacrificial souls I've ever known. I am continuously amazed at their endless energy and focus of purpose for their kids...the daily schedules of picking up and dropping off, making dinner, dressing them, helping with homework, taking them to Girl Scouts, Little League, and doctors...it goes on and on...AND they do all this before and after working 9 hours and 1 1/2 hours of commuting!...Jeeesh...me, I work the same hours, then all I want to do is a have a couple of beers and fall alseep in front of the tube. These women are the real heroes of America and I salute them. Their children have grown up to be great kids and young adults. Now...the moms that I read about in the media committing crimes and being negligent or abusive, that's a different story.

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Saturday, February 2, 2008 3:16 AM

Yeah... but no wonder they need to take pills after having the kids though with all those problems. My mom raised three boys, part time mind you, but she work almost 80 hours a week. If my grandparents weren't around to help out half the time and if my dad was a deadbeat that wanted nothing to do with us then we would have been left at daycare most of the time growing up. I don't want any kid of mine being raised by strangers that half of one of our disposable incomes are going to. My mom did a decent job and none of her kids are criminals (although I'm sure I could be considered a "thought" criminal at this point), but it ruined her. She's cold and mean and that's what being a career woman did to her. There were times that her caring showed through and just the fact that she never turned to drugs or gave up and we always had a place to stay would be proof of that, but the two don't mix.

I don't blame her. Circumstances put her in that position. If you've got a choice though, I belive that one of the parents should be at home with the kids and tending to the house. If the woman wears the pants in the family, and the man isn't threatened by a woman who does so, then so be it. Daddy daycare is better than sending your kids off to strangers.

America's average family today sucks. And both parents going to work is where it began.

Of course there is always exceptions to the rule and I don't believe anything is black and white. There were a lot of abusive relationships before women made their own and that ain't right either. I'm sure there are women who can balance all of those plates without turning to prozak or 4 packs of smokes a day too, but that isn't the norm by any stretch.

I really do feel bad for the women today who are forced to work that would rather care for their kids and the house than get a full time (and often shitty) job. The worst thing I think men did was make women feel like what they did was beneath them and not a job. Being a stay at home mom is one hell of a job and I know that I certainly don't have what it takes to do it. I really don't think I'd ever have kids myself. The only way I would consider it is if I was with a woman like this who could soften me up a bit too and tend to the family and do what I believe is the tougher of the two jobs.

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Saturday, February 2, 2008 6:03 AM

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My mom worked for as long as I can remember. She was a pediatric nurse, and I don't think I turned out that badly. Meanwhile, my MIL was a stay-at-home to an abusive husband.

If you look at the animal kingdom, you'll see that ALL moms (the vertebrate ones, anyway) are "working" moms. They don't stop finding food, defending their territory, or interacting with others of their species at the same time that they're raising the next generation. The problem isn't that we have "working moms", the problem is that this culture is a brutal dog-eat-dog one, where everyone is fighting for their job and no quarter is given for being a mom. OR a dad. It doesn't have to be that way. We have more than enough productivity to produce what we need without flogging the worker. The only reason why is for maximum profit.

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Saturday, February 2, 2008 6:49 AM

FREMDFIRMA

So join the IWW and fight back.

Just a suggestion.

-F

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Saturday, February 2, 2008 7:00 AM

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I'll look into it.

Wobblies UNITE!

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Saturday, February 2, 2008 8:01 AM

In Sweden both moms and dads get maternity leave. Just after the baby is born they usually both take time off but since you can bank the time it's not unusual for the man to head back to work but take the remainder of his time off 6 months later to give his wife chance to re-establish her career.

In my office my manager had two small children, her husband collected them from school 3 days a week and my manager Tuesdays and Wednesdays. On the days she was to collect them she left the office at 3PM, was available by cell phone and then returned after 7PM to finish her work. It was known not to schedule important meetings in the afternoons those two days. With home broadband more common now than it was I'm sure these days she would just telecomute from home in the evenings.

There is no magic to it, people have far more things they have to do than just work, coming up with ways to make the two more compatable isn't rocket science.

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Saturday, February 2, 2008 3:32 PM

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In my office my manager had two small children, her husband collected them from school 3 days a week and my manager Tuesdays and Wednesdays. On the days she was to collect them she left the office at 3PM, was available by cell phone and then returned after 7PM to finish her work. It was known not to schedule important meetings in the afternoons those two days. With home broadband more common now than it was I'm sure these days she would just telecomute from home in the evenings.

There is no magic to it, people have far more things they have to do than just work, coming up with ways to make the two more compatable isn't rocket science.

How convenient for your manager. Most people I know have to jump when their told. Currently at my company, we're all doing mandatory overtime because we're shortstaffed with our new responsibilites and they haven't figured out what to pay new hires. People here are putting in mandatory 5 and 6 day weeks, and that's 12 hour a day shifts.

Hey, but what can we complain about? At least they didn't lay us off right?

So is my mom stupid then, that she was forced to work 70 and 80 hour weeks all the time... that when she came home at night she'd be working on that damn laptop for hours?

Nice little cookie cutter world you live in there fletch.

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Saturday, February 2, 2008 4:33 PM

You really should work on anger management.

The point that seems to be lost on you is that a lot of the problems that life throws at you can be resolved if all parties behave in good faith. My manager was one of the most experienced in the company, competency that would have been lost and would have had to be replaced (at some cost) had she been forced to leave to start a family. By giving her options the company actually saves money and disruption and because the society as a whole accepts this kind of working there were no temper tantrums about her odd hours.

Your employer is working you harder but is he working smarter? Things are likely to be far more efficient (and make more $) if the work you do is properly staffed. What's happening is that in the short term you and your co-workers are filling the gap and right now some middle manager's figures look very good so he has no incentive to change things. His hope is that he'll be promoted before people burn out and it will be his successor that has to fix the mess he's made. It's bad practice.

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Saturday, February 2, 2008 5:21 PM

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Your employer is working you harder but is he working smarter? Things are likely to be far more efficient (and make more $) if the work you do is properly staffed. What's happening is that in the short term you and your co-workers are filling the gap and right now some middle manager's figures look very good so he has no incentive to change things. His hope is that he'll be promoted before people burn out and it will be his successor that has to fix the mess he's made. It's bad practice.

My mom was a project manager for a large telecommunications company which primarily did their work for Chicago firms. Her competency was such that she was invaluable to the company, but she had an even shorter temper than I do which is why they loved her right where she was and she didn't get any higher than she did. She couldn't even get them to stop making her work more than 40 hours per week, unpaid I might add, so there was no way they were going to let her leave early to drive an hour home and pick up her kids from school.

As for my employer, it's not as if my manager is doing this to me, or his manager. It's the pin dick pencil pushers 2,000 miles away that bought us out, and quite frankly I know they don't give two shits about me and would happy to see me go. Especially after making noise about the loss of the smoking room here and the fact that we have to go outside in -20 below weather while their employees have to cope with 50 degree weather when they're forced outside. It sure as shit is bad practice, but that shit is coming from somebody who didn't work as a fellow employee until just a few months ago that none of us has ever even met. As for my anger management, I never had a problem with my anger when I could smoke in my office back in 2,000. That problem only started when the smoke Nazi's ruined every day of my life afterwards.

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Saturday, February 2, 2008 6:15 PM

Any chance on a moratorium on the "victim smoker" rebuttals? We get it, you're a misunderstood and put upon drug addict. It doesn't have to form part of every thread we have here.

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Saturday, February 2, 2008 7:24 PM

Don't talk to me about anger manangement dick and it won't come up. Why don't you get back on topic then?

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Saturday, February 2, 2008 9:16 PM

For what it's worth Fletch, I would like to apologize for that last post and retract that statement.

My apologies.

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Sunday, February 3, 2008 4:11 AM

SERGEANTX

America has spoken. MORE OF THE SAME!!!

SergeantX

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Monday, February 4, 2008 6:27 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Polls indicate that Obama and Clinton are tied at about the 40-44% level. But this leaves a SIGNIFICANT number of undecideds- 12-20%. I believe those were committed Edwards voters, who're now left choosing between an empty bag and a weasel.

I wish he'd have stayed in. He wouldn't have won, both BOTH candidates would be looking to extract the winning balance from him, and in turn he could have extracted lots of commitments. A Vice Presidency perhaps, or a significant choice in Cabinet posts.

*kicks wall*

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Monday, February 4, 2008 9:33 AM