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Global cooling on the rise!
Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:17 PM
CREVANREAVER
Quote:Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on. No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down. Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it. Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70. Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.
Quote:Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966. The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average." China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them. There have been so many snow and ice storms in Ontario and Quebec in the past two months that the real estate market has felt the pinch as home buyers have stayed home rather than venturing out looking for new houses. In just the first two weeks of February, Toronto received 70 cm of snow, smashing the record of 66.6 cm for the entire month set back in the pre-SUV, pre-Kyoto, pre-carbon footprint days of 1950. And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past. The ice is back. Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year. OK, so one winter does not a climate make. It would be premature to claim an Ice Age is looming just because we have had one of our most brutal winters in decades. But if environmentalists and environment reporters can run around shrieking about the manmade destruction of the natural order every time a robin shows up on Georgian Bay two weeks early, then it is at least fair game to use this winter's weather stories to wonder whether the alarmist are being a tad premature. And it's not just anecdotal evidence that is piling up against the climate-change dogma. According to Robert Toggweiler of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory at Princeton University and Joellen Russell, assistant professor of biogeochemical dynamics at the University of Arizona -- two prominent climate modellers -- the computer models that show polar ice-melt cooling the oceans, stopping the circulation of warm equatorial water to northern latitudes and triggering another Ice Age (a la the movie The Day After Tomorrow) are all wrong. "We missed what was right in front of our eyes," says Prof. Russell. It's not ice melt but rather wind circulation that drives ocean currents northward from the tropics. Climate models until now have not properly accounted for the wind's effects on ocean circulation, so researchers have compensated by over-emphasizing the role of manmade warming on polar ice melt. But when Profs. Toggweiler and Russell rejigged their model to include the 40-year cycle of winds away from the equator (then back towards it again), the role of ocean currents bringing warm southern waters to the north was obvious in the current Arctic warming. Last month, Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, shrugged off manmade climate change as "a drop in the bucket." Showing that solar activity has entered an inactive phase, Prof. Sorokhtin advised people to "stock up on fur coats." He is not alone. Kenneth Tapping of our own National Research Council, who oversees a giant radio telescope focused on the sun, is convinced we are in for a long period of severely cold weather if sunspot activity does not pick up soon. The last time the sun was this inactive, Earth suffered the Little Ice Age that lasted about five centuries and ended in 1850. Crops failed through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were widespread. Harbours froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased. It's way too early to claim the same is about to happen again, but then it's way too early for the hysteria of the global warmers, too.
Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:45 PM
ANTIMASON
Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:03 PM
Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:10 PM
CHRISISALL
Quote:Originally posted by antimason: but again it fits well into our theory that global warming activists are full of shit.
Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by CrevanReaver: Here's a site on the global warming swindle: http://www.greatglobalwarmingswindle.com/index.html
Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:01 PM
AVENGINGWATCHER
Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:38 AM
BADKARMA00
Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:07 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by avengingwatcher: If you'll care to actually take a look at the picture of the climate data you'll notice that there are more than one occasion where there is a brief but sudden drop of temperature followed by a steady increase over a few years.
Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:19 AM
Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:04 AM
RIGHTEOUS9
Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:46 AM
Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Righteous9: could you stop with the bullshit already? If you are going to refute global warming at least refute the theory as it stands...we don't need you to tell us how flawed your own bullshit is, that just takes common sense.
Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:39 AM
Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:09 AM
Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:21 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:25 AM
Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Atlantis
Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:36 AM
Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Atlantis isall Chrisisall
Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by badkarma00: Me, I choose to live on the brighter side. There will be hurricanes. There will be floods. There will be volcanoes, earthquakes, and tornadoes.
Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Just curious is all Chris..do you like the 1960 movie Atlantis, The Lost Continent? I just got the widescreen DVD.
Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Just curious is all Chris..do you like the 1960 movie Atlantis, The Lost Continent? I just got the widescreen DVD. Wow, I haven't seen that since I was twelve...I remember it being really cool, with the miniatures and all. Then it sank Ooop! I think I spoiled it.... Chrisisall
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