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and you thought that A.R.M. was a killer

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Saturday, March 8, 2008 6:04 AM

* adjustable rate mortgage..

http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/myway-com/news-story.asp?guid=%7B
4B702F7F-41F8-45F0-A133-630F12F2C764

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Goldman Sachs raises possibility of $200 a barrel oil

Goldman's projections foretell persistent turbulence in energy prices
By Steve Gelsi, MarketWatch
Last Update: 1:42 PM ET Mar 7, 2008
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- With $100-a-barrel here for now, Goldman Sachs says $200 a barrel could be a reality in the not-too-distant future in the case of a "major disruption."

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Sunday, March 9, 2008 4:26 AM

LEADB

Folks... may I suggest you 'encourage' the US gov to get serious about alternative energy? I'd much rather see this $600/person "rebate" converted into a serious alternative energy project. A few examples:

Thermal Solar electric generation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/business/06solar.html?em&ex=12050388
00&en=2d73a651a7216de1&ei=5087%0A

Of particular note:
"On sunny afternoons, those 10 plants would produce as much electricity as three nuclear reactors, but they can be built in as little as two years, compared with a decade or longer for a nuclear plant. Some of the new plants will feature systems that allow them to store heat and generate electricity for hours after sunset."

Folks... 2 years to build. No messy chemical / nuclear leftovers.

And also worth mentioning is some of the hydro projects being 'reversed' in the US
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87928806&ft=1&f=1
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I understand that hydro can have negative impacts, but much of whet I'm hearing on this particular removal smacks of 'wanting mine' rather than having genuine concerns. I suspect that some changes in how the dams are managed, and possibly adding some 'fish ladders' could resolve the disputes here, and leave the hydro-electric generation in place. We gotta be responsible in how we manage projects; but we also have to consider the fact that if we don't make the electricity here, we -will- make is somewhere, probably at a greater ecological impact.

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Sunday, March 9, 2008 8:23 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Both viable alternatives - but Leadb, I don't know if you've noticed but no amount of 'encouragement' from ordinary citizens seems to have much influence on this government.

Hopefully there will be a change in philosophy concerning alternative energy, not to mention the environment, with the next administration.

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Sunday, March 9, 2008 10:19 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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I don't know if you've noticed but no amount of 'encouragement' from ordinary citizens seems to have much influence on this government.

There's encouragement and there's encouragement, stiff letters just don't have the same mind changing effect as tar and feathers.

Just sayin...

-F

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Sunday, March 9, 2008 5:39 PM

LEADB

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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:

Both viable alternatives - but Leadb, I don't know if you've noticed but no amount of 'encouragement' from ordinary citizens seems to have much influence on this government.

Hopefully there will be a change in philosophy concerning alternative energy, not to mention the environment, with the next administration.

Ok, want to organize a march on Washington? "Million person march for energy we can live with."

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Sunday, March 9, 2008 5:51 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

You're right solar thermal is very promising. There's other sources too. Did you know there's a species of tree that produces a diesel-like sap?

I know this was being looked at in the mid 70's and early 80's, but oil prices dropped again.

http://dieselblog.net/2006/08/anyone-want-to-plant-a-diesel-tree-in-th
eir-backyard/

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Copaifera_langsdorfii.h
tml

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Monday, March 10, 2008 2:59 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by leadb:
Folks... may I suggest you 'encourage' the US gov to get serious about alternative energy? I'd much rather see this $600/person "rebate" converted into a serious alternative energy project.

The government already provides tax incentives for alternate energy production, which is just about making them cost-competitive in certain areas. However, alternative energy isn't going to make it if it's not economical enough to stand on its own.

Instead of sending your $600.00 back to Uncle Sam, where it'll most likely end up in a porkbarrel somewhere, why not invest it in a company that's putting up solar or wind farms; providing them capital to expand while potentially turning a profit for you?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, March 10, 2008 3:15 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by leadb:
Folks... may I suggest you 'encourage' the US gov to get serious about alternative energy? I'd much rather see this $600/person "rebate" converted into a serious alternative energy project.

Great idea. Tell you what...this is a capitalist society. If your idea is viable, go do it (or sit back cause somebody else will...if its viable).

Me...my pie in the sky idea is to get oil from shale and Canadian oil sands. There's a law that lables oil from Canadian oil sands as 'alternative' and so we CAN'T buy it cause we can only buy renewable alternative energy from foriegn sources. Thats crazy. Oil is oil.

Another option is synthetic oil. The Nazis ran their industry on it after 1942. We got the technology from them part and parcel, but the cost was always too high. Now its not cause oil production is so expensive.

Another option is untapped reserves in the Gulf of Mexico, Alaska, and off the west coast. Screw the greenies, I need to get to work and in NE Ohio I drive and SUV cause of the snow.

Another option is the military occupation of Venezuela. He'll, they'd probably enjoy it.

There are lots of real options out there. Alternative energy may be the future...but that does me no good when I have to pump my gas this week.

H

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Monday, March 10, 2008 2:28 PM

LEADB

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by leadb:
Folks... may I suggest you 'encourage' the US gov to get serious about alternative energy? I'd much rather see this $600/person "rebate" converted into a serious alternative energy project.

The government already provides tax incentives for alternate energy production, which is just about making them cost-competitive in certain areas. However, alternative energy isn't going to make it if it's not economical enough to stand on its own.

Instead of sending your $600.00 back to Uncle Sam, where it'll most likely end up in a porkbarrel somewhere, why not invest it in a company that's putting up solar or wind farms; providing them capital to expand while potentially turning a profit for you?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Well, I do what I can. I've 'switched over' to a 'green' electric supply company; costs a few more cents a KH, but it is a direct investment in green energy. I suppose I could just send the money to NYSEG; they will allow you to buy 'green power' in excess of what you use; so even though I don't use NYSEG for electric, in theory they will use the money to invest in green energy for other folks... not sure how much I trust NYSEG though.

I'm thinking I'll set aside my $600 toward an electric hybrid. If the Volt works as intended, I should be able to 90% of my commuting off electric only; and given I have subscribed to 'green electric', that should have most of my vehicular usage off the the 'oil market'

Hero; I hear ya; none of this is going to fix the problem tomorrow; however, some of this if kicked off today, could have significant impacts in as little as two years. Hopefully in 3 or 4 years, they'll be selling a decent 'mostly electric' AWD vehicle you'll be happy switching over your SUV for.

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