Mind Your Business: You Will Lose All The Rights to Your Own Art by Misstressahara

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Mind Your Business: You Will Lose All The Rights to Your Own Art

POSTED BY: MISSTRESSAHARA
UPDATED: Sunday, April 13, 2008 16:13
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Saturday, April 12, 2008 1:48 PM

To all you artists/writers/creators out there, READ!

For those pro government, at least for this once QUESTION WHY?

http://mag.awn.com/index.php?ltype=pageone&article_no=3605

I----AM----PISSED!

If you care AT ALL about your rights as an artist, writer, or overall creator, no matter what it is, then sign this petition.

http://www.petitiononline.com/at1357/petition.html

The Canadian government better not follow this damn trend.

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 3:26 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Sounds like we should make calls to Congress more than sign petitions online. No offense to the online petitions, but they seem to sit up and take notice more when the phones are ringing.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 3:31 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA

Yes I know. The petition is just one of the things to get our voices out there. It says in the article to call your Congressman or Minister. For anyone whoever made a picture or wrote a fanfiction, or just for the sake of artists out there (that includes Joss because this would circumvent his rights as well) Do all of the above.

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 3:54 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA

*BUMP* DAMMIT!

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:59 PM

PUMAMANREDUX

My 2 cents:

The petition that is linked to shows the anger against the Orphan Works bill but does not specifically name the bill in question.

A petition really needs to sound professional if it is going to be noticed. As worthy as keeping rights to your stuff is, remember those who want the bill(s) to pass are going to be making their case in the best language possible.

The petition reads

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To: U.S. Congress
Artist theft soon-to-be legalized?
What is the meaning of this?

Do you really want to take away our rights as artists?

We REFUSE to pay to keep OUR art.
Our art should be protected under law.

This is cruel and unfair.
Please, for the sake of ALL the artists.
Do not pass this bill.

Sincerely,

I'm not sure if anyone in the government will give the petition more than a quick glance.

Just my random 2 cents

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:04 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA

No arguments about the petition, that's why my responce was more polished. I find it's just to get the word out. The more important thing, to me, is to get a hold of whatever statesman is in your area and protest this.

As for one sided someone had posted the actual bill. I'll find it and post it here.

But regardless, just the fact that this could exist and pass should make people pause.

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:00 PM

FLETCH2

Actually no, this is a good idea.

As it stands relatively few things pass into the public domain because big media (well Disney) keep pushing back the date of copyright. Right now if someone believes that a song you wrote sounds too much like a song they own, they will sue to take your song from you as a derivative work. Right now if you write a novel you might find it hard to use a quotation or a speech as part of the narrative? Have a novel where a snipper is creeping up on MLK during the famous "I have a dream" speech? Don't go quoting the speech without permission from the King estate.

If you own something, copyright it. Otherwise, let the public domain grow a little to provide a little more material for future artists.

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:00 PM

FLETCH2

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:48 PM

FREMDFIRMA

I think my take on it is best summed up by Eric Flint, in his introduction piece for the Bean Free Library.

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There was a school of thought, which seemed to be picking up steam, that the way to handle the problem was with handcuffs and brass knucks. Enforcement! Regulation! New regulations! Tighter regulations! All out for the campaign against piracy! No quarter! Build more prisons! Harsher sentences!

Alles in ordnung!

I, ah, disagreed. Rather vociferously and belligerently, in fact. And I can be a vociferous and belligerent fellow.

http://www.baen.com/library/

Poke around the library too, if you like, I will say he's right though, some of the stuff I've read there I now own in treeware.

-F

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:49 PM

AGATSU

Oh, so you think it's a good idea that you would have to register EVERY SINGLE photo, drawing, story, song, movie, painting, sculpture etc. INDIVIDUALLY, and FOR A FEE just so you can keep the copyright?
What the fuck are they putting in your water over there?
The first thing I'm gonna do if this passes is take photos of you and your family from the net, superimpose the faces over all the actors in a porn mag, copyright and sell it. It's perfectly legal, and you can't possibly afford to secure the rights to your own photographs.
But hey, that's a good idea, right?

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:03 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh yeah, and if you really wanna help a writer who got REAMED by the very copyright laws and regs everyone wants to ram down our throats, how bout Peter Beagle, eh ?

http://www.conlanpress.com/youcanhelp/

He doesn't recieve but jack and diddly through any purchase source but Conlan press, mind you, however...

You can get yourself a Autographed, Deluxe Hardcover, 288 page edition of The Last Unicorn and WITH the Hugo and Nebula award winning coda Two Hearts, for a mere twenty bucks, half of which goes right into Peters pocket...

Here.
http://www.conlanpress.com/html/books_LU.html

Copyright was supposed to protect authors and artists, not allow them to be reamed and robbed by big media corps.

-F

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Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:43 PM

FLETCH2

Well that would be slander and I would sue your ass. That's why the National Enquirer can be sued for pulling those kinds of tricks even when their photographer takes a celebs image and therefore owns the copyright. Copyright and deformation of character are two different laws. Nobody can take your image from Myspace and use it irrespective of copyright because recognizable images of people need to have a model release to be used legally. Otherwise they can sue you for using their image without permission.

I think you're missing the point a little. There was a time when you had to explicitly copyright everything, that wasn't too long ago, in fact for the US under 30 years ago. Then after a period of time -- originally 15 years, that copyrighted work entered the public domain, where other people could do what they wanted with it within reason.

This gave people the ability to take things that others had done in the past and rework them. Romeo and Juliet can become "Westside Story" J.S. Bach's "Minuet in G Minor" can become the "Lover's Concerto" you can use those photographs of the early railroad in your book about Irish Navvies.

The problem is that the public domain is disappearing, in part because folks like Disney keep pushing the copyright date back and in part because "fair use" which was supposed to allow people to produce new original works using some small part of an earlier work is interpreted in narrower and narrower ways.

I am serious when I tell you that writing a song that sounds too much like another recorded work can result in you having it taken from you. Don't believe me? Neil Innes who wrote the Beatles parody the Ruttles found different.

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What's the deal with Neil and the rights to the Rutle songs?

In a nutshell, the publisher of the Beatle songs threatened to sue him claiming copyright infringement on Beatle songs. Neil was advised that although the Rutle songs have completely different words and tunes from any Beatle songs ('Get Up and Go' notwithstanding), it would cost Neil so much to fight it, that he'd be better off just giving them half the rights. So he did. So now, legally, all the Rutle songs are written by "Innes, Lennon & McCartney".... seriously!!!

Want to film on a street? The building you are standing in front of is likely to be copyrighted. Andy Warhol could not paint soup cans under current US law because the can's design is copyright. That picture you took of your grandma the one where she is in her favourite chair reading a book? No problems there right?

Except the design of the lamp and the chair are probably copyrighted and the book cover if recognizable certainly will be. Film companies have folks that have to clear the rights to almost every distinctive object in a scene to be able to film it.

It is in short a nightmare because art is created from the culture that supports it. Do you think we'd have had the "girl with the pearl earring" if Vermeer had to get a copyright release from the jeweler? Or the Mona Lisa if the dress she was wearing was copyrighted by the designer?

If this keeps up if there is no back pressure you wont be able to create anything any more because almost everything you produce will be claimed as derivative of something else.

It is better that people explicitly copyright the things they want protecting and allow other things to be out there for grabs than to have the state of everything either locked down or unknown.

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 2:38 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

For a more objective view see http://oncopyright.copyright.com/2008/03/17/orphan-works-are-back-on-c
ongress%E2%80%99s-radar-screen/ and the links embedded.

There is on legislation yet, BTW.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:43 PM

ERIC

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Oh yeah, and if you really wanna help a writer who got REAMED by the very copyright laws and regs everyone wants to ram down our throats, how bout Peter Beagle, eh ?

http://www.conlanpress.com/youcanhelp/

He doesn't recieve but jack and diddly through any purchase source but Conlan press, mind you, however...

You can get yourself a Autographed, Deluxe Hardcover, 288 page edition of The Last Unicorn and WITH the Hugo and Nebula award winning coda Two Hearts, for a mere twenty bucks, half of which goes right into Peters pocket...

Here.
http://www.conlanpress.com/html/books_LU.html

Copyright was supposed to protect authors and artists, not allow them to be reamed and robbed by big media corps.

-F

Wow, thanks Frem! I just ordered one. This is a very underappreciated work, and unlike the cartoon movie version, contains no crappy Jeff Bridges/Mia Farrow duet (shudder...)

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:13 PM

FREMDFIRMA

No prob, even though the DVD isn't all that hot, they did a decent remaster recently which also came out through Conlan to put money in Pete's hands, at a time when he desperately needed it, and after a friendly conversation with Mr Conlan to make sure no one would be offended by my doing so - shared that info with this forum and in some other places, and Conlan sold 4000 instead of the expected 1500, many of which were bagged up by us browncoats, cause, you know...

We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty!

Lionsgate/Grenada totally ripped him off on that one, he never got a dime.

But it's great to see Pete finally getting his due (and a Nebula, and a Hugo, lol.. he was more shocked than WE were) - for myself I would *LOVE* to see the original story remade with modern animation and CGI... we should always honor the pioneers of dreams, I do believe.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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