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Ron Paul for...Resident?

POSTED BY: HERO
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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 3:19 AM

HERO


For all the crazy-talkin Paulies out there I thought you'd get a kick out of this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/05/AR2008
050502314_pf.html


Now I have been wondering when he would START running...but apparently some people seem to think he stopped running and some think he's still running.

I think some clarification is needed. Unless he's got a secret scheme to change his name to John McCain, he's not going to win. Although to be fair...unlike most of the candidates, he's got the same chance now as he had last year at this time.

H


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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 4:01 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


I'll admit it. I'm voting for him today.

As a small gov't gal, what other choice is there? None.

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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 4:54 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
I'll admit it. I'm voting for him today.

As a small gov't gal, what other choice is there? None.


Don't vote. Not voting gives you a far greater chance of election day success then voting for RP.

Then again...if you don't vote you miss the Election Day Bake Sale and the chance to pick your local judges or vote against the library levy. Hmmm...

H

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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 5:01 AM

SERGEANTX


Unlikely the power mongers endorsed by the machine, Ron Paul actually respects the passion and ideals of his supporters. He's vowed to take the message to the convention and stand up as a voice for sanity and limited government as long as his supporters want it. The TV-watching mouth breathers will never get it, but Ron Paul actually believes in his cause.

SergeantX

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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 5:06 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


Ooh, bake sale! I could maim for a brownie.

Such a shame all the candidates are big gov't. With any luck, okay a lot of luck, the party will see the votes for Paul and reassess where it stands.

Taking my ball home is not the answer for me. Since we're still choosing the lineup, I'll pick what's best available to me. When the teams have been chosen, I'll pick the team that I like the best or dislike the least.

I'm of the opinion that too much emphasis is placed on the president. Let's them think the President has powers it doesn't have. We should me more careful in choosing congress. They make the nitty gritty decisions.


Anyway...off to the polls. And to get a brownie.

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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 5:23 AM

ERIC


Not quite an endorsement, but...

Quote:

Paul: Not ready to endorse McCain, likes Obama's foreign policy

Paul parts ways with McCain over McCain’s support for the Iraq war, his approach to U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East and his willingness to spend federal dollars to support military operations in Iraq.

Instead, Paul favors Sen. Barack Obama because of positions on foreign policy. “But that’s doesn’t mean that’s an endorsement,” Paul quickly added.



http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/02/paul-not-ready-to-endo
rse-mccain-likes-obamas-foreign-policy
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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 5:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

I'm of the opinion that too much emphasis is placed on the president. Let's them think the President has powers it doesn't have. We should me more careful in choosing congress. They make the nitty gritty decisions.



It tends to make the President think he has powers he doesn't, too...

Saying "Don't Vote" is a nice message, Hero. Way to believe in that whole democracy thing!

Is a vote for Ron Paul a vote cast, or a vote cast away? If enough people vote his way, it just MIGHT make his message a bit more palatable to the Powers That Be. No way is he going to win the Presidency, and he knows that, of course - the whole run is about getting someone to actually listen to his positions and those of his followers. Voting for Ron Paul might be futile, but it might, just MIGHT, make a bit of a difference in the nominee's positions on platform issues.

"Don't Vote" is NEVER the right answer. Or put another way, if you don't vote, you have absolutely no right whatsoever to bitch about anything the government does, because you had the chance to change it, and chose to do nothing at all.



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 5:33 AM

SERGEANTX


It's not an oft-stated opinion, but a large portion, if not a slim majority of Paul supporters would vote for Obama over McCain. Of course, we'll vote for a decent third party-candidate over any of the machine stooges, but Obama would at least present the nation with an opportunity to redeem ourselves internationally. Not that we, or he, would seize such an opportunity, but McCain and Hillary have far too much invested in the status-quo.

SergeantX

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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 5:35 AM

FREMDFIRMA


You know, to me that sounds like a more polite version of...

"Well, he's not quite a stupid jackass as McCain is.."

Just sayin...

-F

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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 7:40 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You know, to me that sounds like a more polite version of...

"Well, he's not quite a stupid jackass as McCain is.."

Just sayin...

-F



Yeah, that's just about it...

To me, Obama represents "Hope" - but probably not in the way he hopes he does. He represents hope to me in the sense of, "I *HOPE* he hasn't been utterly and completely coopted by The Machine politics just yet..."

It's a thin hope, but it's all I've got left. The other candidates are just way too far gone.



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 9:45 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Saying "Don't Vote" is a nice message, Hero. Way to believe in that whole democracy thing!

"Don't Vote" is NEVER the right answer. Or put another way, if you don't vote, you have absolutely no right whatsoever to bitch about anything the government does, because you had the chance to change it, and chose to do nothing at all.


A knowing and intellegent choice not to cast a ballot is as valid a choice as any other (kind of like abstaining or voting 'present'). I merely advocate that choice as opposed to a vote for Ron Paul.

The right to bitch about the government is a whole seperate part of the Constitution and is not tied in any respect to the right to vote.

You say she would be choosing not to exercise her power to change the government, I say voting for Ron Paul amounts to the same thing. Worse...it gives Paulies an inflated sense of self worth and a pretense at legitimacy that is simply undeserved. Ron Paul advocates Libertarian view, not Republican. He represents a fringe element, a super minority at best, and should be treated as such. Listen to him, laugh, then ignore (repeat as needed).

H

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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 11:10 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


Heh, i'm actually a registered lib. so....laugh.

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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 11:46 AM

STORYMARK


I hope he sticks around through November, and "Naders" the Republicans.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 2:30 PM

REAVERMAN


Sometimes, I genuinely wish termial stupidity was a capital offense. Then we wouldn't have to listen to RP any more (ahh, what a wonderful thought).

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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 6:20 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
I hope he sticks around through November, and "Naders" the Republicans.




I think that's what Hero fears (not that he'll ever admit it) - that Paul will, in some miniscule way, sink McCain. How else can you explain asking Paul supporters NOT to vote?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Tuesday, May 6, 2008 6:24 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Reaverman:
Sometimes, I genuinely wish termial stupidity was a capital offense. Then we wouldn't have to listen to RP any more (ahh, what a wonderful thought).



But that would deprive us of the last 7.5 years of Dubya's "wisdom"! Ah well... a small price to pay.

By the way, terminal stupidity pretty much would be a capital offense, as, being terminal, it would result in death.

Just sayin'.


Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Wednesday, May 7, 2008 3:14 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I think that's what Hero fears (not that he'll ever admit it) - that Paul will, in some miniscule way, sink McCain. How else can you explain asking Paul supporters NOT to vote?


Paul will hardly sink McCain. If Mac wins or loses it will be on his own merits. Ron Paul is a myth. Essentially a well funded super-minority candidate. His funds largly come from a fringe coalition of anti-war Republicans, Libertarians, anarchists, liberal activists, Ron Paul dollars, and various racist and anti-semitic types who love Ron Paul's writings from the '80s and '90s. The majority of his votes, since Huck dropped out, come from McCain protest votes.

For the record I am urging RP voters not to vote, while other folks are urging them to vote for RP. Since both have exactly the same effect on the outcome of the election, clearly there is no real difference except the psychological effect it has on RP supporters to go from consistantly finishing fifth in five man contests to second (ignoring the fact its now a two man "race"...if 'race' is the right term for a contest that ended weeks ago).

H

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Wednesday, May 7, 2008 4:41 AM

FLETCH2


I think Paul does what Nader does for the Democrats --no not lose them elections, I mean remind the activist part of the party what they thought they were there to do, before the more pragmatic and (dare I say it) corrupt sections of the party sold out.

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Wednesday, May 7, 2008 6:03 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
For the record I am urging RP voters not to vote, while other folks are urging them to vote for RP. Since both have exactly the same effect on the outcome of the election, clearly there is no real difference except the psychological effect it has on RP supporters to go from consistantly finishing fifth in five man contests to second ...

Huh? How does a non-voter go from 5th to 2nd? The non-voter wouldn't even be in the race. I don't get it.

Plus, you don't understand the full purpose of voting. It is not an exercise in forced choice of two candidates most likely to win. Voting is, by original intent, a choice of which candidate's position and abilities we most support, regardless whether they will win or not. If our system allowed run-off voting, we'd be able to all vote our conscience instead of choosing the lesser of two evils.

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Wednesday, May 7, 2008 6:14 AM

REAVERMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
But that would deprive us of the last 7.5 years of Dubya's "wisdom"! Ah well... a small price to pay.



Exactly.

Quote:

By the way, terminal stupidity pretty much would be a capital offense, as, being terminal, it would result in death.


True, true. Though it does seem to take an awful long time to kill 'em (Exhibit A: Dubya. Still breathin'? Yep. He hasn't forgotten how, yet.), hence, captal punishment.

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Wednesday, May 7, 2008 11:41 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Reaverman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
But that would deprive us of the last 7.5 years of Dubya's "wisdom"! Ah well... a small price to pay.



Exactly.

Quote:

By the way, terminal stupidity pretty much would be a capital offense, as, being terminal, it would result in death.


True, true. Though it does seem to take an awful long time to kill 'em (Exhibit A: Dubya. Still breathin'? Yep. He hasn't forgotten how, yet.), hence, captal punishment.

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Ah, now I get ya - I think we're pretty much on the same page...



Mike

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I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Wednesday, May 7, 2008 11:44 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
[B
For the record I am urging RP voters not to vote, while other folks are urging them to vote for RP. Since both have exactly the same effect on the outcome of the election, clearly there is no real difference except the psychological effect it has on RP supporters to go from consistantly finishing fifth in five man contests to second (ignoring the fact its now a two man "race"...if 'race' is the right term for a contest that ended weeks ago).

H



Of course, that discounts the effect that some of those voters who DO vote for Ron Paul might have on the ability of third-party candidates to raise money, especially matching funds. The better a third-party candidate does, the more likely they are to get more matching funds next time around, and the better they do, and so on.

Not that I'm holding out a lot of hope for a third-party run, but I'm not holding out much hope for anything new and refreshing from either of the old parties, either...

Color me jaded.


Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Wednesday, May 7, 2008 11:49 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

A knowing and intellegent choice not to cast a ballot is as valid a choice as any other (kind of like abstaining or voting 'present'). I merely advocate that choice as opposed to a vote for Ron Paul.
I see absolutely no upside to not voting, can you Hero? Either you're really stupid or you think we are. Or you have a really bad sense of humor.

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Wednesday, May 7, 2008 11:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

For the record I am urging RP voters not to vote, while other folks are urging them to vote for RP. Since both have exactly the same effect on the outcome of the election
Okay, you've eliminated a bad sense of humor as one option.

If RP voters don't vote, then nobody will be able to count the potential votes they lost. Those are valuable numbers because those people actually voted. That's MUCH more significant than an opinion poll. Let's say that McCain sees one million votes go out the window. Now, he has to start thinking about where they are, whether they will defect to Obama or simply stay home, and whether they might cost him some districts. Kinda like Gore and Nader. If it's significant enough, he might actually have to start changing his message.


And over time, the two main parties start having to look at and woo minor party voters. I can't believe I have to explain this to you Hero.

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Wednesday, May 7, 2008 9:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


This being about the 4th Ron Paul thread initiated by you Hero, I must say that you really seem to have an unhealty fixation on the man.... especially considering that he is not a threat to you, your way of life or the puppetmasters you serve everyday when you put on that nice suit and drive that fancy car to the job that gives you the big bucks, which let's face it, is the only reason that you got that hot girlfriend of yours in the first place.

Considering the fact that Ron Paul is a non-entity in your eyes, wouldn't your free-time not devoted to taking Barbie out shopping be better spent campaining for Big Brother McCain?

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 2:59 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Of course, that discounts the effect that some of those voters who DO vote for Ron Paul might have on the ability of third-party candidates to raise money, especially matching funds. The better a third-party candidate does, the more likely they are to get more matching funds next time around, and the better they do, and so on.


He is not a Third Party candidate so how well he does or does not do will have NO effect on Third Party fundraising. If he did run Third Party his support would drop into the 1-3% range at best.

Right now he's taking a small percentage of the extremely low turnout the Republican race has had since McCain wrapped this whole thing up. He has simply never been a viable choice...which is good because his ideas are really bad.

H

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 3:04 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
I see absolutely no upside to not voting, can you Hero? Either you're really stupid or you think we are. Or you have a really bad sense of humor.


I see no upside to voting for Ron Paul. I argue that the negative psychological impact of casting such a vote...on the voter, the true RP supports, and on Mr. Paul himself is harmful...but its a secondary effect.

My suggestion is primarily for folks who don't truly support RP (which is just about everybody). If you don't want to vote for McCain, don't vote for him...but don't throw your vote away on RP.

If you really believe in Ron Paul (and the Easter Bunny) the go, vote, contribute money, put a sticker on your car, have sex with your ten wives and underage children, spend your fake money, and enjoy your illegal drugs while driving through school zones all the while wallowing in your self pity and false sense of persecution...its your business.

H

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 3:10 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
This being about the 4th Ron Paul thread initiated by you Hero, I must say that you really seem to have an unhealty fixation on the man....


I find him funny. Kinda like the crazy old man you see on the street corner. I also enjoy how seriously folks here seem to take him...then I poke you a bit by pointing out the obvious. Its like poking a beehive or a monkey or a monkey holding a beehive.

RP is a crazy talker...you can tell just by listening to him for a few minutes. He hides it well...he can go a short time making sense and then the conspiracies come out and he pulls out his tin foil hat and starts passing around the kool-aid.

H

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 3:11 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Considering the fact that Ron Paul is a non-entity in your eyes, wouldn't your free-time not devoted to taking Barbie out shopping be better spent campaining for Big Brother McCain?


I don't support McCain yet.

H

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 4:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

My suggestion is primarily for folks who don't truly support RP (which is just about everybody). If you don't want to vote for McCain, don't vote for him...but don't throw your vote away on RP.
I think if you don't support McCain don't vote for him... but find somebody you DO like, and vote for them instead. Not voting is just suberverting democracy.


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Thursday, May 8, 2008 4:31 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Wanna write in Mike Haggar like me?



He's chock full of kick ass, minus the native Austrian, so we don't have to do any pissery to the Constitution to get him into office and leave ourselves open to having Iranian Muslims running the country 16 years from now.

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 5:43 AM

FREMDFIRMA


That's fear talkin, is what it is.

See, folks like Hero know that if sane, reasonable folk like Ron Paul ever get a leg up in our Gov, folks like Hero are gonna be needing a real job instead of win-win welfare with a stacked deck behind them and relative immunity to the social and legal threats that face us common folk.

And that scares the living shit out of them.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 5:55 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hey... I got a brother who suffered a brain hemmorhage when he was a child that I'm trying to get on SSI right now. If Hero can take care of that for me and prove to me that some of the good deserving guys get it and not just the crack-heads and the clinically depressed, I'll be more than happy to take back some of the things that I've said.... but from where I'm standing, the government is there to serve everybody except for you and yours.

Even Binder and Binder shot me down yesterday...... They're the "Social Security Advocates". My brother had a fucking cerebrial hemmorhage when he was 6 years old, suffering multiple strokes in the process, and then had to go in for follow up brain surgery when he was 10 after having a seizure out of the blue on a family getaway to the Blueberry fest in Michigan.

Forgive me anyone, if I have NO pity for your brothers and sisters on "welfare" because life just sucks so much for them that they can't work and they sit at home all day and pop happy pills.....

Give me some wisdom here Hero and show me that Lawyers and there ilk aren't just the swine of the earth.

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 7:40 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

He has simply never been a viable choice...which is good because his ideas are really bad.[


Not that viability and ideas have really been that important in the last two elections. I mean, really, BUSH? That's what you consider "viable" and a "good idea" man? The nimrod who almost died choking on a freaking pretzel, and then asked us to choke down his pretzel-like logic in his war on ideas?

Just nice to see where your baseline for a *GOOD* candidate is...



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 7:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

...have sex with your ten wives and underage children...


I think you've got the wrong candidate. Wasn't that Romney who was the Mormon, and didn't you support him?



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 7:50 AM

KWICKO

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I don't support McCain yet.



Ah. Well, then, be sure and don't vote in November! ;)

Don't worry; I'm sure you'll support him by then, and act as if you've never supported anyone else in your entire life...



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 7:53 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I think you've got the wrong candidate. Wasn't that Romney who was the Mormon, and didn't you support him?


Sorry, I was a Romney-hater too. Making fun of him was less fun then making fun of Ron Paul. I think if RP had dropped out early...as he should have, I'd have poked the Romnies. I rank Ron Paul right up there beside Dennis Kucinich as America's best also-ran joke candidates.

H

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 7:59 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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He is not a Third Party candidate so how well he does or does not do will have NO effect on Third Party fundraising. If he did run Third Party his support would drop into the 1-3% range at best.



Right you are - he's NOT third-party candidate - YET. I assume he'll break Libertarian and run as a third-party candidate at some future date, though. Meanwhile, what are you worried about? Are you afraid he's pulling Johnny Mac's numbers down? Because, if you're correct about him, he just isn't. So why do you worry or care or even THINK about what his supporters do, or don't do?

Just for the record, I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, nor a Nader supporter, but I fully support their rights to run whacky, futile campaigns. Who knows? Maybe someday one of those third parties will hit on an idea and put up a "viable" candidate. It worked for the Republicans, at least once. Anyone ever heard of some guy named Lincoln? Weird, wacky ideas and an unheard-of untested third party...

I know you think only the two main parties should ever be allowed to run in elections, but why even have two? Couldn't we just change the Republican party to the Communist Party and be done with free elections once and for all?

And besides, do you really think I'm EVER going to take advice on what's smart and what's dumb from someone who can't spell "intelligence"?



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 8:40 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Meanwhile, what are you worried about? Are you afraid he's pulling Johnny Mac's numbers down? Because, if you're correct about him, he just isn't. So why do you worry or care or even THINK about what his supporters do, or don't do?


I just like making fun of him, people stupid enough to vote for him, otherwise non-stupid people who vote for him, his ideas, his record, his appearance...its my way.

I only wish Dennis the Menace was still in it so we could pair those two up in some wacky love triangle with Hillary Clinton or the corpse of Saddam Hussein. (Who would you do?)

Anyway, the truth is, and all joking aside, I CARE about RP's supporters. I want them to realize the error of their ways and the futility of their existance. I want them to stop what they are doing and start working to serve their community rather then just complaining and feeling all persecuted and conspiracy. Failing that I just want to laugh at them for a while...then I'll ignore them until that great and glorious day comes when once more I notice them standing in the corner with their "Vote Ron Paul" signs and then on that wonderful day when all the planets align and history comes into focus and their ideas are once more brought foreward into the public consciousness then I will laugh at them some more before ignoring them and moving on my way.

H

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 9:00 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Anyway, the truth is, and all joking aside, I CARE about RP's supporters. I want them to realize the error of their ways and the futility of their existance. I want them to stop what they are doing and start working to serve their community rather then just complaining and feeling all persecuted and conspiracy. Failing that I just want to laugh at them for a while...then I'll ignore them until that great and glorious day comes when once more I notice them standing in the corner with their "Vote Ron Paul" signs and then on that wonderful day when all the planets align and history comes into focus and their ideas are once more brought foreward into the public consciousness then I will laugh at them some more before ignoring them and moving on my way.


Oh, you mean pretty much the same way I feel about and treat Republicans and Bush supporters. Point, laugh, feel sorry for them, laugh at them some more for being so fucking stupid (yet somehow still managing to keep breeding more of their worthless cracker-spawn), repeat. I getcha now. I go through it myself every four years or so.


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I only wish Dennis the Menace was still in it so we could pair those two up in some wacky love triangle with Hillary Clinton or the corpse of Saddam Hussein. (Who would you do?)



Yeah, I kinda wish Cheney was running, so we could set him up in a bizarre love triangle with Ann Coulter and the corpse of Ronald Reagan. And yes, we know who you'd do - Reagan, of course.



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, May 8, 2008 9:56 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL


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Originally posted by Hero:I want them to stop what they are doing and start working to serve their community rather then just complaining and feeling all persecuted and conspiracy.


Who says we don't? I wouldn't argue for smaller government if I wasn't prepared to cover the difference. I believe in communities. Strong communities make strong cities. Strong cities make strong states. Stronger states means the federal government can worry about other things. More of a macro than micro management thing. We take care of our own. That's my line.

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