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The FIRST thing I think we need to do is recognize that we have more in common with the Honduran shirt-maker than we do with Sam Walton or Bill Gates. Once we recognize that, we’ll stop trying so hard to export our brand of rapacious monopolism. So, specifically…

We need to get our individual and governmental finances in order. Because our government priorities are so out-of-whack it’s almost impossible to tackle individual finances until the government finances are taken care of.
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1) Get out of Iraq NOW I know that Iraq needs rebuilding and needs to be decentralized, and I know that we busted it so we should fix it but the reality is we can’t. We’re tapped out. Since both the EU and China have an interest in seeing Iraq start to pump oil, they should be able to pitch in and help. They probably would, if they knew we were serious about leaving.

2) W/draw our troops from the several hundred or so meaningless installations where they currently reside, like Okinawa and Germany. Do we really HAVE to be everywhere in the world like Big Brother?

3)Stop meddling in foreign governments because we think they’re some sort of “-ist” or another. I know its tough to let go of that security blanket, but our REAL interests should be prosperity, transparency, empowerment, education, and stability. It’s the opposite- poverty, secrecy, tyranny, ignorance and riot- that are our REAL enemies.

4)Raise income tax rates on the top 1% to 40%. (It’s nominally 38% now, but the ultra-wealthy are only taxed at 33% due to various loopholes, while the moderately wealthy actually pay the full 38%).

5)Close corporate tax loopholes.

6)Eliminate corporate personhood, and eliminate their “right” to privacy and “free speech”. Free speech should be exactly that: FREE. The minute you pay someone, it becomes advertising and should have the same truth-in-advert requirements as any other advert.

7)Eliminate pork-barrel legislation. We have plenty of REAL work to do without making shit up.

8)Provide government-funded, single-payer universal health care. Health care is a big drain on our economy; our manufacturing is less competitive because we’re allowing a single segment of the economy (insurances) to bleed everyone else dry.

9)Raise the Federal minimum wage to something that could actually support a person. The reason WHY some people are so strapped is because they simply don’t have enough money.

10)At the same time, conduct an anti-consumption campaign. People should be able to make enough money working to provide for the basics: Food, housing, transportation. People DON”T need big-screen TVs, the latest iPhone, or expensive cars if they can’t afford ‘em. Somewhere, that idea has gotten lost. A wealthy lifestyle is not a birthright.

11)Allow US labor unions to support labor unions abroad, and duck out NAFTA, CAFTA, and GATT.

12) Start healing our inner cities with jobs and good schools. Many people in the inner cities are growing up with PTSD because of household and neighborhood violence.

13) Decriminalize many drugs, end the so-called "War on drugs" and make enough money avilable to provide rehab for everyone who wants it, and decent mental health services for the vets (and other lunatics) who roam our streets.

14) Get serious about securing our borders. There's no reason why WE have to serve as the overflow and relief valve for nations that are corrupt and impoverished.

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Hmm, that one rather backfired on you didn't it Geez...

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10)At the same time, conduct an anti-consumption campaign. People DON”T need big-screen TVs, the latest iPhone, or expensive cars if they can’t afford ‘em.

But the people who make, sell, and service those things need to work. If folks only buy what they need, lots of other folks will be out of work.

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You don't need an expansive list...just say he wants to make America an isolationist collection of drug addicted Communists with no economic, political, or military strength.

In other words...Vote Obama!

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When asked if he wanted to go home he said, "No."
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When asked if he wanted to go home he said, "No." He was asked again...and again...and again...always "no."

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When asked if he wanted to go home he said, "No."
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So given the choice between torture and returning to America, John McCain chose torture?

Why does John McCain hate America?

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While he and I disagree on many things and I have yet to decide if I'll give him my vote for President...

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They've all been discussed and generally dismissed.

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So given the choice between torture and returning to America, John McCain chose torture?

Why does John McCain hate America?

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So given the choice between torture and returning to America, John McCain chose torture?

Why does John McCain hate America?

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Bet I can guess which way you're leaning, though. ;)

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So you admit McCain signed a statement denouncing his country. Why on earth would he do that?

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That's odd, citizen. I didn't know you were 1/2 French.

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When asked if he wanted to go home he said, "No."
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So given the choice between torture and returning to America, John McCain chose torture?

Why does John McCain hate America?

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He LOVES America that much, that he'd choose staying w/ his men and enduring the hardships of being a POW rather than to be used as a tool by the NVA, to be used as a propaganda puppet, like Jane (slut ) Fonda (whore ) was.

That's odd, citizen. I didn't know you were 1/2 French.

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That's odd, AwwwCrapper. I didn't know you were 3/4 Nazi. Oh, wait - yes I did!

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And why is it always Nazi or Commie? Lets broaden our perspective a bit ya two-bit fracking Roundhead.

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That's odd, AwwwCrapper. I didn't know you were 3/4 Nazi. Oh, wait - yes I did!

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You call him a Nazi, I call you a Commie, then you call me a fascist, and AU calls Signy an Anarchist. Can't we find common ground?

Maybe we need to get together and say bad things about PirateNews and Fox TV execs.

And why is it always Nazi or Commie? Lets broaden our perspective a bit ya two-bit fracking Roundhead.

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I'm a Republican, not a Democrat.

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That's odd, citizen. I didn't know you were 1/2 French.

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I'm not, I was just twisting what Hero said the way he twists what others say, but if that makes me 1/2 French, we're speaking the same language Jacque :p

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I'm glad you have a sense of humor. Otherwise, my 'french' comment might have been more serious than I had intended.

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They've all been discussed and generally dismissed.

You don't need an expansive list...just say he wants to make America an isolationist collection of drug addicted Communists with no economic, political, or military strength.

In other words...Vote Obama!

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I always thought Signy was a girl.

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Did you just call Hero a kitty-cat?

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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A Kritocracy is a form of government

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I'm a Republican, not a Democrat.

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Signy is a dude? Are you serious? I always thought Signy was a girl.

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Indeed I might! Ya just never know.

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William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

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