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I feel sorry for Rapo. He's driven by fear, which can apparently only be assuaged by burying himself into the middle of the biggest, toughest herd he can find. And now, he's thinking that his herd may be dissolving from around him. No wonder he's so paranoid. He sees every question as a defection from the group that's between him and the other.j

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I love how some of you pocket psychologist have it all figured out, or so you think. Herd or no, dealing head on w/ the problems facing our country is the best solution. There's no paranoia here, just understanding. SOME want to deny it, placate those who vow to murder us , at any expense, and simply go on living their day, as if it were like any other. I'm just glad my country has leaders who are willing to do the right thing.

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Can I ask you a question? Do you think terrorists are evil or just acting in defense? Because I don't think bombing people to make others conform to a religious belief is defending islam or a country. I think it as offensive as an attack. There is no goodness in that at all. But if a terrorist was acting in defence when people were killing his family then this would be good. The difference between defence and offence is when you hope to repel the ememy by the size of your peace time army or by taking action that you hope will reduce the offensive actions of the other party on your country. If you don't think the action will help stop someone from killing you then it is more like revenge.

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So, how does this apply to Iraq? They didn't attack us, so there goes that. And those who have killed Americans have been striking out against those who invaded their country, so there's your self-defense.

Your points do not match up.

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I feel sorry for Rapo. He's driven by fear, which can apparently only be assuaged by burying himself into the middle of the biggest, toughest herd he can find. And now, he's thinking that his herd may be dissolving from around him. No wonder he's so paranoid. He sees every question as a defection from the group that's between him and the other.j

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I love how some of you pocket psychologist have it all figured out, or so you think. Herd or no, dealing head on w/ the problems facing our country is the best solution. There's no paranoia here, just understanding. SOME want to deny it, placate those who vow to murder us , at any expense, and simply go on living their day, as if it were like any other. I'm just glad my country has leaders who are willing to do the right thing.

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Prove it.

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Prove what, exactly ?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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I feel sorry for Rapo. He's driven by fear, which can apparently only be assuaged by burying himself into the middle of the biggest, toughest herd he can find. And now, he's thinking that his herd may be dissolving from around him. No wonder he's so paranoid. He sees every question as a defection from the group that's between him and the other.j

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I love how some of you pocket psychologist have it all figured out, or so you think. Herd or no, dealing head on w/ the problems facing our country is the best solution. There's no paranoia here, just understanding. SOME want to deny it, placate those who vow to murder us , at any expense, and simply go on living their day, as if it were like any other. I'm just glad my country has leaders who are willing to do the right thing.

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Prove what, exactly ?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Prove that your country has leaders that want to do the right thing.

"Prove it" has become your standard response to anything you disagree with, so I thought it would be a good thing to throw back your way.



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There's really no discussion; if you support lies, torture & war profiteering, then you are in Congress with the Beast. You are evil by mis-interpreting reality, or by embracing greed by way of death.

May God have mercy, 'cause Bush won't.


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Somethings never change. Do they? Your posts still reek of flame bait and your mind is still a cess pool of immaturity...

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When a group tells you they are at war w/ you, want to destroy you and have shown they mean to do EXACTLY that, you had better pay attention. That's all I'm saying we do , is focus in on the issue here.

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We were able to fly unmolested through the No-Fly Zones for about a decade, during which time Saddam's "elite" forces would occasionally fire up their targeting radars,....

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Somethings never change. Do they? Your posts still reek of flame bait and your mind is still a cess pool of immaturity...

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I don't disagree with any particular point sir.

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Pretty good...great in fact- I just got Burn Notice on DVD!!!
Haven't seen you here much...you okay?
Isn't life a miraculous thing? (a little Dancing Demon there for U Buffy fans...)

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I don't support lies, and Bush has not told any.

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I don't support lies, and Bush has not told any.

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Do I REALLY need to point out the (lack of) WMD's in Iraq, or the "Mission Accomplished" banner. C'mon AU, I'll give you more credit than THAT!

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Do I REALLY need to point out the (lack of) WMD's in Iraq, or the "Mission Accomplished" banner. C'mon AU, I'll give you more credit than THAT!

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Yes, point out the lack of WMDs all you want, but that's not what every single intelligence agency in the whole world said before we went to war.

As for 'Mission Accomplished' ? A great job done by the fine sailors and airmen on board the USS Abe Lincoln. Props and Hooo Rah!



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Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.

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Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed

So again, you're lying, and so's Bush. Go figure

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...it's only something which you don't want to accept, can't accept, because it shatters your silly, Leftist, Hate-America First world view. Sorry, but them's the facts.

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Every intel agency worth it's salt. There, feel better ?

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So you're admitting that your earlier claim was a lie, then. An exaggeration. A fabrication. A lie. Pulled out of your ass.

Them's the facts. Deal with it.

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Usually its funny to watch children struggle w/ the facts when having to face them for the first time. Usually, that is. Children lash out at others, call them names, and blame them for the world not being what they were told it was, when the real blame lies only on themselves.

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Either way, it's not a lie, it's only something which you don't want to accept, can't accept, because it shatters your silly, Leftist, Hate-America First world view. Sorry, but them's the facts...

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Hehe... Rappy, you so funny! Whenever you get backed into a corner you start puking up this Leftist America Hater nonsense.

Well, here's the thing, the thing you never, ever want to address. IT'S NOT AMERICA WE HATE. IT'S THE ASSHATS WHO ARE SELLING HER DOWN THE RIVER BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID OF THEIR OWN SHADOWS. And it doesn't take a leftist to feel this way - I'm about as far from a leftist as you can get.

Bush is a lying piece of shit. But he's still a couple of rungs above the spineless sycophants still defending him. You're not defending your country's honor when you go to bat for dubya, you're defending a traitor and those who have conspired to use a national tragedy to further their own ends.

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"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Spoken with all the eloquence of a nine-year-old... and thus bumping the thread once again and keeping it alive!

Ironic...




Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

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Yes, point out the lack of WMDs all you want, but that's not what every single intelligence agency in the whole world said before we went to war.

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Well, at least AU is consistent - consistently WRONG, that is...

I know there were SOME in the US intel community who were just sure that Saddam had 'em, but there was hardly a consensus, even within the American intel apparatus.


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Rap, you never answered my question: How izzit that we agree with you that we should tackle jihadism head-on?


That must be a tough one for you.

PS, for someone who is 99% bloviating opinion you can hardly take the tactic of dismissing "opinion". You have yet to bring facts to the stable PROVING your point that WMD exists... or proving almost any other point of yours for that matter. (BTW, how's that economy going? On fire, right?)

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Oh, YOU'RE sure, are you ? Sounds more like your OPINION rather than fact. The agencies release reports which speak to the cumulative reporting by all their sources. 'Individuals' in the intel community aren't scale tippers. They look at all the intel, across the board.

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( Still no recession, if you must know, and MY personal economy has never been better. )

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"I hope we do not see another Iraq-type operation for a long time - without UN approval and much broader support from the international community," he added.

He said he believed there should have been a second UN resolution following Iraq's failure to comply over weapons inspections.

And it should have been up to the Security Council to approve or determine the consequences, he added.

When pressed on whether he viewed the invasion of Iraq as illegal, he said: "Yes, if you wish. I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter from our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."

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