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There's a 50-50 chance that the North Pole will be ice-free this summer, which would be a first in recorded history, a leading ice scientist says.

The weather and ocean conditions in the next couple of weeks will determine how much of the sea ice will melt, and early signs are not good, said Mark Serreze. He's a senior researcher at the National Snow and Ice Data Center and the University of Colorado in Boulder, Colo.

The chances for a total meltdown at the pole are higher than ever because the layer of ice coating the sea is thinner than ever, he said.

"A large area at the North Pole and surrounding the North Pole is first-year ice," Serreze said. "That's the stuff that tends to melt out in the summer because it's thin."

Preliminary February and March data from a NASA satellite shows that the circle of ice surrounding the North Pole is "considerably thinner" than scientists have seen during the five years the satellite has been taking pictures, NASA ice scientist Jay Zwally said Friday. He thinks there is slightly less than a 50-50 chance the North Pole will be ice-free.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
See, global warming is a conspiracy of scientists, environmentalists and misguided politicians to... to... to....

Oh, I dunno!

But altho I can't for the life of me figure out WHY those folks would scam, it must be so!

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Oh I see. Scientists are in the business of transferring wealth because they're going to get rich from it. Same as environmentalists. Unlike oil, energy, coal, and automobile companies who have no dog in the race.

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No, the scientist are getting funded by the socialist to basically say what the socialist want them to say

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No, the scientist are getting funded by the socialist to basically say what the socialist want them to say

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Okay, who are "the socialists" funding them?

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Anyone who knows Crichton knows that he infuses fact w/ fiction in his writing. Sorta like Clancy, but before Clancy ever wrote about Jack Ryan.

To answer your question, Yes, I did really cite a book of fiction to help explain my point.

Unless you have something against reading......

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The point was to illustrate how a group w/ ulterior motives could be behind the 'environmentalist' movement , and bring up some of the methods used, etc.... not as a literal display.

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It's deemed important enough for the Pentagon and the White House to start looking into the strategic ramifications for global security, so apparently it's seen as a threat of the same type as global terrorism.

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The point was to illustrate how a group w/ ulterior motives could be behind the 'environmentalist' movement , and bring up some of the methods used, etc.

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The point was to illustrate how a group w/ ulterior motives could be behind the 'environmentalist' movement , and bring up some of the methods used, etc.... not as a literal display.

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Fiction's OK, just don't confuse it with reality. What you need to show is not how a group "could be" behind the some sort of global warming scam, but how it IS.



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Well then, instead of pointing to a book of fiction about "them", present your evidence.

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What's the gorram point? All you seem to want to do is argue anyway

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There's a 50-50 chance that the North Pole will be ice-free this summer, which would be a first in recorded history...

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I happen to see through the scam of 'carbon credits' and the Kyoto Treaty, while others choose not to.

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I happen to see through the scam of 'carbon credits' and the Kyoto Treaty, while others choose not to.

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Ah, just as I happened to see through the scam of Saddam's WMD, the invasion of Iraq, and the Patriot Act, while others chose not to!


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And yet, all these folks , with all their intelligence reports and access to top secret analysis, who went on record, as far back as 1998 and as recent as right before the war, THEY didn't know, right ? And you did.

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To begin with, I believe we should focus our efforts first and foremost against those who attacked us on September 11th and have thus far gotten away with it. The vast majority of those who sponsored, planned and implemented the cold blooded murder of more than 3,000 Americans are still at large, still neither located nor apprehended, much less punished and neutralized. I do not believe that we should allow ourselves to be distracted from this urgent task simply because it is proving to be more difficult and lengthy than predicted. Great nations persevere and then prevail. They do not jump from one unfinished task to another

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You simply cherry-picked the data until it was hopelessly biased ... and it bit you.

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the circle of ice surrounding the North Pole is "considerably thinner" than scientists have seen during the five years the satellite has been taking pictures

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And yet, all these folks , with all their intelligence reports and access to top secret analysis, who went on record, as far back as 1998 and as recent as right before the war, THEY didn't know, right ? And you did.

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And yet, all these folks, with all their climate science reports and access to the very best scientific analysis, who go on record, for years now, and as recent as right now, THEY don't know, right? And you did.

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Global Warming is one thing, but I'm more concerned about why you felt it necessary to record a Justin Timberlake song. Is this you 'coming out' to us Hero?

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Hello,
I think that using allegorical tales to demonstrate a point is a well established tradition. I remember Aesop's fables. Ficctional tales aren't truth, but they can explain a theory about the universe and how it works. For instance, if I was advocating a political position of non-interference with other nations, I might say, "Like the Prime Directive in Star Trek." If you've seen Star Trek, then you get the gist of my belief system and we have a common point of reference.
That having been said, let me make some comments on my feelings on Global Warming in the next post.

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Hello,

The scientific process prevents us from ever being 100% sure about why Global Warming is happening. In a scientific system, we'd have a hundred Earths. Fifty would be populated by varyingly developed societies, and fifty would be unpopulated by mankind. Then we'd observe for a billion years, analyze the data, and report our findings.

We only have one Earth, and so there is no truly scientific analysis of our situation. We are making frenzied best-guesses, shooting from the hip with the best available information of the moment.

In fact, it doesn't really matter whether Global Warming is man-made or part of a natural cycle. Economic forces are bringing a change to human behavior that is more profound than any guilt that the environmentalists could hope to levy.

The cost of doing business in limited resources is being profoundly felt by the average American for the first time in memory. Hybrids and E-cars are the tools of tomorrow, not out of an altruistic desire to save the planet, but rather out of a selfish desire to save the wallet.

If you believe in man-made Global Warming, then take comfort in this fact: Rampant Consumerism created the problem, but Rampant Capitalism will solve it. Cheap energy is also clean energy. The needs of the planet and the desires of mankind are finally in synergy.

Greed, friends, may finally save the world.

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First Ice-Free Pole in Recorded History?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hU5i54pX9VdxAcD6Mo3VfWZDWfyQD91IOSV
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By SETH BORENSTEIN
WASHINGTON (AP)


There's a 50-50 chance that the North Pole will be ice-free this summer, which would be a first in recorded history, a leading ice scientist says.

The weather and ocean conditions in the next couple of weeks will determine how much of the sea ice will melt, and early signs are not good, said Mark Serreze. He's a senior researcher at the National Snow and Ice Data Center and the University of Colorado in Boulder, Colo.

The chances for a total meltdown at the pole are higher than ever because the layer of ice coating the sea is thinner than ever, he said.

"A large area at the North Pole and surrounding the North Pole is first-year ice," Serreze said. "That's the stuff that tends to melt out in the summer because it's thin."

Preliminary February and March data from a NASA satellite shows that the circle of ice surrounding the North Pole is "considerably thinner" than scientists have seen during the five years the satellite has been taking pictures, NASA ice scientist Jay Zwally said Friday. He thinks there is slightly less than a 50-50 chance the North Pole will be ice-free.

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Energy companies and political arm-twisting has rarely been put into such sharp relief?

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There's never been shown any direct tie in between human activity and global warming. Never. And the fact that the Earth is cooling over the past 10 yrs is completely ignored by the far Left on this matter.

Huh, indeed.

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