Republican Revolution by Hero

LOL.

Chrisisall

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Friday, August 1, 2008 11:32 AM

America loves a winner!

GOP finally starting to stand up and fight for America.

go get'em !!

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, August 1, 2008 11:34 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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GOP finally starting to stand up and fight for America

HAHAHAHA!!!! But what were they doing the previous eight years???

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Let's party like it's 1929.

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Friday, August 1, 2008 11:45 AM

ELVISCHRIST

You mean stand up and fight for America's oil companies!

Takin' Care of Business, Baby!

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Friday, August 1, 2008 12:08 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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GOP finally starting to stand up and fight for America
HAHAHAHA!!!! But what were they doing the previous eight years???

What ever it was, it wasn't acting like conservatives. 'bout time they woke up and smelled the coffee.

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Friday, August 1, 2008 12:09 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
You mean stand up and fight for America's oil companies!

Takin' Care of Business, Baby!

Absolutely! That's what we WANT!!

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Saturday, August 2, 2008 5:40 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by rue:
"Remember the Alamo..."

Didn't they all die ?

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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."

Heheheeheheheheheeheheee.

Did I hear someone cry "No quarter!"?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

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Saturday, August 2, 2008 6:44 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Absolutely! That's what we WANT!!

What mean this "we", kimo sabe?

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Saturday, August 2, 2008 6:56 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Absolutely! That's what we WANT!!
What mean this "we", kimo sabe?

Smart, thinking, patriotic Americans, that's who.

"WE"

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 3:47 AM

1EYEDCAT

Revolution?! You mean COUNTERrevolution. Republicans oppose every social advance since the Enlightenment, including democracy and any attempt to fairly distribute society's resources. They would happily take us back to the days monarchy and religious superstition. Let's hope that Obama and the Democrats will find the backbone to drive them and keep out of the political arena.

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 3:50 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Smart, thinking, patriotic Americans, that's who.

So, when did shoveling money at international oil companies become smart or patriotic?

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 5:14 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by 1eyedcat:
Revolution?! You mean COUNTERrevolution. Republicans oppose every social advance since the Enlightenment, including democracy and any attempt to fairly distribute society's resources. They would happily take us back to the days monarchy and religious superstition. Let's hope that Obama and the Democrats will find the backbone to drive them and keep out of the political arena.

This nations very founding fathers opposed pure democracy. That's one reason why the word 'democracy ' does not appear in the Declartion of Independence, the Constitution, or any of the amendments. The very notion that resources should be divided 'fairly' is an utter misnomer, and ridiculous ooncept. It was tried w/ the first settlers to the new world, and it almost killed them. America won't sit idly by and watch the socialist zealots force upon us the tired and failed religion, merely on the false claim of 'change'.

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:50 AM

"Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit"

-From The Subtle Knife
By Author Phillip Pullman

While they have not always been so, todays current Republican party, and most especially the religious radicals they count amongst them, currently serve against the cause of human freedom, which is why I dislike them so.

-Frem

EDIT: Extremely Relevant Link on the topic above.
http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20060929143606605

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 9:29 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

While they have not always been so, todays current Republican party, and most especially the religious radicals they count amongst them, currently serve against the cause of human freedom, which is why I dislike them so.

-Frem

And you think that the envior-nazis, the AlGore Global Warming Cabal isn't the same damn shoe, but on the other foot ? Those living in solar paneled homes , cast not the first stone !

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 9:55 AM

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And you think that the envior-nazis, the AlGore Global Warming Cabal isn't the same damn shoe, but on the other foot ?

Of course it is, there's a difference between deciding not to junk up your living space, and being forced under threat of violence to comply with someone elses policy that just happens to enrich all their friends....

You think I've not noticed how MUCH of the anti-smoking rhetoric and tax largess lands in the nest of the dickheads who make those patches ?

I ain't partisan, Rap - I hate EVERYBODY who wants to stick their grimy little fingers in my life or business.

But right now, the Republican party as a whole in combination with the Religous Right is the closest and primary threat to me via real world proximity and the fact that they're on the top of heap political power wise.

Ergo, they're target number 1.

Remember, I hated Clintons guts too... fuckin NAFTA...

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Remember, I hated Clintons guts too... fuckin NAFTA...

Yep.

Chrisisall

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 10:38 AM

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Did I hear someone cry "No quarter!"?

GIVE EM TARLETONS QUARTER !!
Raaarrrghhh!

-F

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 11:22 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I ain't partisan, Rap - I hate EVERYBODY who wants to stick their grimy little fingers in my life or business.

But right now, the Republican party as a whole in combination with the Religous Right is the closest and primary threat to me via real world proximity and the fact that they're on the top of heap political power wise.

Ergo, they're target number 1.

Remember, I hated Clintons guts too... fuckin NAFTA...

-Frem

Last I checked, the Religious Right, a mere subset of the Republicans, weren't in power in either the House OR the Senate, so I fail to see how the GOP is " on the top of the (sic) heap, political power wise " . I'll grant you the presence of over bearing religious power interfering w/ our lives...here in GA, I can't buy beer on Sunday, unless I do so at a bar which serves food. It's not enough that we have to wait until noon, but we are FORBIDDEN to buy beer at ALL in the grocery or liquor store on Sunday. That's reserved for God, ya know.

But even w/ that, I think you're overlooking the dangers the Left poses w/ their 'carbon credits ' talk and the hysteria being driven w/ global warming. We're gonna be forced to used " energy saving " fluorescent light bulbs, which are chock full of mercury. Break one of those and you're required to call for a HAZ MAT team come to your home or business and sterilize the entire area. That's no joke, either!

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"The problem with the bulbs is that they'll break before they get to the landfill. They'll break in containers, or they'll break in a dumpster or they'll break in the trucks. Workers may be exposed to very high levels of mercury when that happens," says John Skinner, executive director of the Solid Waste Association of North America, the trade group for the people who handle trash and recycling.

Skinner says when bulbs break near homes, they can contaminate the soil.

Mercury is a potent neurotoxin, and it's especially dangerous for children and fetuses. Most exposure to mercury comes from eating fish contaminated with mercury,

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7431198

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Sunday, August 3, 2008 9:02 PM

Oh I am well aware - did you miss the post where I discussed taking half a day to find out where and how to properly dispose of four used ones simple cause I didn't want that mercury to wind up in my local lake which provides a percentage of my drinking water ?

The enviro types should be appealing to folks common sense, CONVINCING them instead of trying to force them, especially on stuff they seem to have not thought all the way through in advance.

The basic concept of not junking up your living space needs no more hysteria and bullshit to put across than the concept of smoking being bad for you - and by pushing it with bullshit and hysteria, they actually harm their own cause.

That said, I am quite overprotective of our lake, but I see that as an act of self-defense as much as environmentalism.

-Frem

BTW - You really should read that book I mentioned, I think you'd like it, and during the story some of the really bad ideas from the liberal side of the political spectrum get taken to their natural conclusion and it ain't pretty.

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Monday, August 4, 2008 2:33 AM

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Originally posted by 1eyedcat:
Revolution?! You mean COUNTERrevolution. Republicans oppose every social advance since the Enlightenment, including democracy and any attempt to fairly distribute society's resources. They would happily take us back to the days monarchy and religious superstition.

Wow, somebody needs to buy a history book.

The Republican AND Democratic Parties were born from the Anti-Federalists. They are the kind folks who, among other things, invented the Bill of Rights.

The Republicans were reborn in the 1850's again as the party of liberty...which meant freeing the slaves.

You must be confusing Liberals and Conservatives. Its a common mistake to assume that what was liberal and conservative in 1776 differed from 1860 and 2008. For example, liberal Republican radicals defeated conservative Democrats in the 1860 election. Liberal Democratic-Republicans defeated conservative Federalists in 1800. The thing about Republicans is that their views on liberty and economy have remained very consistant since their inception. In 1800 those views were liberal...now they are conservative.

I note for the record that it is the Democrats turning off the cameras on debate. I can't recall a Republican speaker EVER cutting off the cameras (except when discussing national security issues in closed session).

I the Democrats took power would they end free speech for conservatives. We know they are trying to revive the "Fairness Doctrine". Political Correctness has always been about suppressing free speech. This is their track record now. Pelosi showed their true colors.

H

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Monday, August 4, 2008 4:18 AM

JONGSSTRAW

I love how these Republicans got so brave AFTER Nancy Pelosi and gang left. What a bunch of little twerps and gutless jamokes.

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Monday, August 4, 2008 4:39 AM

Barry Goldwater, we need you now...

isall

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Monday, August 4, 2008 6:56 AM

Oh THAT shoveljob isn't gonna fly, Zero.
You can play on the historical ignorance of others, but not with me you can't.
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AntiFederalists -> Country Party -> Democratic-Republican -> Democrats.

Federalists -> National Republicans -> Whig.
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----------------Old Republicans -> Modern Republicans.

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That's fairly simplified, but in essence, belief and action, the current crop of Republicans is the direct offspring of John Adams fucking Federalists, and their agenda was quite clear from the start, whatever bullshit they spouted during the conventions, as their subsequent actions proved, causing three revolts[1], cursing us with the very first attempt at something resembling the Patriot Act[2], dismissing State Sovereignity and looting the citizens to fund profitable military adventures - that came to cases and was one of the long brewing causes of the civil war, and it continued afterwords especially towards third world countries[3], and at one point damn near sparked a fascist coup[4] here in the USA.

These dickheads have been pushing a totalarian militarized police state from the very start, it's always been their agenda from day one - they didn't wanna break from the crown and give power to the people, they wanted a new crown, for themselves, and when they didn't get that, worked towards a variant feudalism which has eventually spawned the current tremendously exploitive relationship between corporation and servant-peon employee paying additional largess to the nobles (congress, via taxes).

Make no mistake, they WANTED a feudal system from the start, and it's one long chain of historical usurpations, abuses and bad actors from Shrub all the way back to that fucker Adams.

"I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging the future but by the past."
-Patrick Henry.

He KNEW better than to trust the crown, given it's history of action towards us, and for the same reason be damned if imma trust the Republican party given their own.

That's not to say the Democrats are much better, given that what they have evolved into would turn any decent AntiFederalists stomach just as quickly.

But shovelling the load that todays Republicans are IN ANY WAY traceable back to the AntiFederalists is ridiculous, given that most of them, given a choice, would have sold us out to King George without certain rabble rousers and future AntiFederalists kicking their support for that idea out from under them.

Damn Purplebellies, all of em - the only AntiFederalist worth the name is Ron Paul, whom you, lets face it, dude... wholeheartedly despise.

-Frem
[1] Shays Rebellion, Fries Rebellion, Whiskey Rebellion.
And what do all three have in common, eh ?

[2]The Alien and Sedition Act, remembered historically as a monstrosity, as will be our current insanity as well.

[3]Smedley Butler - War is a Racket, See Also: United Fruit.

[4]The Business Plot, many of the instigators tie politically and often by direct relation, to the original Federalists.

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Monday, August 4, 2008 7:01 AM

ELVISCHRIST

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I love how these Republicans got so brave AFTER Nancy Pelosi and gang left. What a bunch of little twerps and gutless jamokes.

As a liberal, I'd love to agree with you and slap you on the back.

But as a realist, all I can say is, that alone would make them braver than Pelosi & Company, who've never shown a single iota of bravery, either before or since the Democrats became the majority party in the House and Senate.

I don't think it's asking too much of Congress to ask - or DEMAND - that they stand up to this President and this Administration and back them off from their unholy power grab. The President has as much power as the Constitution gives him - but that won't stop any of them from trying to grab all they can. And it's the duty of CONGRESS to stop the President from doing that. In that, they've failed, mightily.

E (TCB)

If the prefix "pro-" means "for" or "in favor of", and "con" is its opposite, and if "progress" means "pushing forward" or "improving"... then what the hell does "Congress" mean?

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Monday, August 4, 2008 7:34 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I love how these Republicans got so brave AFTER Nancy Pelosi and gang left. What a bunch of little twerps and gutless jamokes.

Prior to the ending of the session the House was operating under the standard House rules...in other words the debate was strictly controlled by Pelosi. It was not until Pelosi adjourned the House and left that the Republicans could give voice to their side of the debate.

I note for the record that with over 70% of the country favoring the Republican position many Democrats were starting to show signs of defecting. This led Pelosi to end the session several days early rather then risk a vote on this issue. Thats the finest Democratic tradition. Not voting because they might lose (remember the Judges).

H

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Monday, August 4, 2008 7:46 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
AntiFederalists -> Country Party -> Democratic-Republican -> Democrats.

Federalists -> National Republicans -> Whig.
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----------------Old Republicans -> Modern Republicans.

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That's fairly simplified

Yeah, simplified and completely wrong. The Federalists ceased to exist, thus had no direct decendents. That does not mean the interests they represented ceased to exist. However, for many years there was only ONE party.

The Whigs represented northern business interests, banking, etc. That constituency was too narrow and collapsed. The Republicans came along later as a radical religeous movement...a single-issue fringe party that grew to take Congress and the Presidency in only ten years as northern Democrats, abolishonists (at the time the religeous Left...now the Right), and defunct Whigs joined together...

The Democrats emerged from the partial collapse of the Democratic Republicans and have existed in some form since the D-Rs first came into existence.

I note for the record the no other form of the classic Federalsists has existed...there was no need. The Federalists both won and lost their debate (in other words the national consensus became a strong but limited Federal govt with supreme but narrow authority)...the relationship between the Federal and State governments is no longer the issue it was in 1789. Its largely left the political arena and become a judicial matter (at least for practicle purposes).

H

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Monday, August 4, 2008 8:07 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I love how these Republicans got so brave AFTER Nancy Pelosi and gang left. What a bunch of little twerps and gutless jamokes.

Prior to the ending of the session the House was operating under the standard House rules...in other words the debate was strictly controlled by Pelosi. It was not until Pelosi adjourned the House and left that the Republicans could give voice to their side of the debate.

I note for the record that with over 70% of the country favoring the Republican position many Democrats were starting to show signs of defecting. This led Pelosi to end the session several days early rather then risk a vote on this issue. Thats the finest Democratic tradition. Not voting because they might lose (remember the Judges).H

I understand what happened last week. Pelosi was not going to allow a vote on the floor no matter how long they stayed in session, so picking that moment for the Republicans to "rebel" seems a bit contrived and meaningless. Over the w/e Obama seemed to be changing his tune about drilling. I bet Pelosi comes back after recess and allows a vote. If she won't, she'll be handing McCain a great gift.

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Monday, August 4, 2008 9:00 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
so picking that moment for the Republicans to "rebel" seems a bit contrived and meaningless.

First of all, you can't rebel against the ending of the session until the session ends.

Second, from all accounts the rebellion was largely spontanious. It began as a simple bit of after-session speech making...along the line of the after-hours one-minute speeches they usually do. The Speaker responded by shutting off the lights and microphones. That heavy-handed move sparked the Republican outrage. The Speaker responded by sending in the Capital Police to clear the Gallery and shoo away reporters...which prompted the all-out Rebellion seen late in the day on Friday.

Pelosi can't 'allow this vote' after all she said she would not allow it because she's 'saving the planet'.

H

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Monday, August 4, 2008 10:01 AM

KHYRON

Seems like this "revolution" is too inane even for the White House:

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/white-house-says-no-to-special-ses
sion-of-congress-2008-08-04.html

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Monday, August 4, 2008 4:46 PM

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I note for the record the no other form of the classic Federalsists has existed

issat so ?

Then perhaps you can explain exactly where the PNAC/CleanBreak/Neocon agenda is one whit different than that of the Federalists under Adams, ehe ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Party

a New Progressive Era or Neocon fascist dictatorship?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/TAR410A.html

When the Federalist party originally shattered, fragments of it went everywhere, Tammany Hall wasn't originally the scourge of Democrat pulchritude it eventually came to be, and during the civil war era there were some very radical shifts in both parties - but in essence, those Federalist-Republican-Whig-Republican-Neocon sumbitches can easily be traced right back to their original Federalist roots.

People tend to overfocus on the tactics and means, instead of the end point intentions, and once you have clarified those, you might start realising why I consider most Modern Republicans, and especially the Neocons, to be Federalists, and why I consider most Modern Democrats to be, in effect, National Socialists.

Ain't how they do it so much as what they intend to accomplish that should concern folk, cause it sure concerns me as I dislike either one of those end points.

Course, I am rather fond of a third option that involves a damn lotta rope, myself.

Tarletons Quarter, as I said.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:25 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Then perhaps you can explain exactly where the PNAC/CleanBreak/Neocon agenda is one whit different than that of the Federalists under Adams, ehe ?

For one thing ONAC/CleanBreak/Neocon's are imaginative constructs representing what Liberals THINK of Conservatives. Its like the how the Republicans were written into episodes of West Wing by Liberal writers with no real understanding of their subject matter.

But if you want to know how modern Republicans differ from Adams' Federalists:

1. Like Jefferson and the D-R's, we believe in fighting Islamic extremism (damn the Barbury Pirates).
2. We favor drilling for oil. Federalists were in favor of horses.
3. We favor collective security...Federalists didn't want foriegn alliances.
4. We favor freeing the slaves.
5. We oppose tariffs.
6. Not one powdered whig and no wooden teeth at the Convention.
7. We favor a ballistic missile defense.
8. We have Senators from places like Alaska.
9. We like Jefferson.
10. We oppose Whiskey taxes (and taxes in general).
11. We lack control or sympathy of the mainstream press (Federalists controlled roughly twice as many newspapers as the D-Rs in 1800).
12. We would NEVER run a New Englander for President.
13. We oppose undeclared quasi-wars against French shipping.
14. We have never jailed opposition media persons for being critical of the administration (heck, we don't have enough jails for that).
15. We look favorably upon the War of 1812.
16. Not one Federalist ever supported an Air Force Appropriation Bill and had no interest in the Space Program.
17. The Federalists never use the internet.
18. Rush Limbaugh
19. We support the Louisiana Purchase.
20. The Federalists never said one nice thing about Ronald Reagan.

H

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:38 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:

18. Rush Limbaugh

Taking Rush Limbo seriously is the first real step towards the NeoCon Side.

Chrisisall

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:46 AM

KHYRON

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Taking Rush Limbo seriously is the first real step towards the NeoCon Side.

Some would say it's the only step.

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:47 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Taking Rush Limbo seriously is the first real step towards the NeoCon Side.
Some would say it's the only step.

Chrisisamegaditto

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 9:43 AM

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ONAC/CleanBreak/Neocon's are imaginative constructs...

Careful there Zero, you're starting to actually believe the delusions you're paid to spout, and that's not a good sign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

As for your points...

1. Except when financing it, or do I need to point out again WHERE Saddam and Osama got the money and weapons that rocketed them (pun intended) to power ?

2. Actually they wanted Tea, but not at British Cartel prices...

3. NeoCons don't want alliances, they want domination, and so did the Federalists.

4. Oh really, you DO know Lincoln tried to introduce an amendment to Constitutionally protect slavery, right ?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo104.html

5. Oh yeah ? Morrill Tarriff anyone ? and WHAT party was Morrill ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_Tariff

6. Untrue, George Washington, proud possessor of both, presided over the original Constitutional Convention.

7. And the Federalists, every bit as fond of funding the Mil-Industry Complex, bought a bunch of unnecessary Frigates for coastal defense.

8. They had a nutter from France named Ben.

9. I highly doubt that, since he despised Nationalist Banking, HATED corporatism, considered stacking the bench a grave sin against our nation, and considered dissent and occasional revolts downright patriotic.

10. But love debts as much as Adams and Hamilton, which drive us into cycles of ruin - postponing the payback via deficits does not eliminate it.

11. BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - you assholes have had a downright lock on the mainstream press since Adams, and it goes right down the line to Hearst, Sinclair and Murdoch/Ailes.

12. Excuse me, but Shrub is in fact, a New Englander, fake cowboy attitude and accent aside.

13. But not undeclared quasi wars in third world countries for the benefit of corporations, how is this better ?

14. BULLSHIT, Adams did it, Lincoln was downright fond of the practice.
(I will say in your defense that Wilson did it too, the prick.)

15. That does not exactly count in your favor.

16. Maybe not technically, but they WERE interested, as the first balloon flight in America was launched in Philadelphia on January 9, 1793.

17. Committees of correspondence WERE the internet back then.

18. Alexander Hamilton (I STILL think Burr did us all a favor, mind you)

19. Oh and the Federalists weren't greedy landgrabbers themselves ?

20. No, they just spawned his idiotic trickle-down legacy, better termed "make US rich and maybe we'll share.."

As usual, you make it all too easy, don't tell me yer starting to believe this crap yourself ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 10:01 AM

SuperFrem, able to disintegrate monolithic heaps of bullsh*t with a single post!

LexHero stands no chance!

isall

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 10:20 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Gotta hand it to you Frem. You have waaaay more patience and kowledge on this one!

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 6:24 PM

Siggy, my grandpappy taught me, just before he died, that while anyone can learn from their own mistakes - a really smart kid can learn from the mistakes of others without ever having make them personally.

Many years later I applied this concept to the study of history, and it has served me quite well.

Side note, he never told me about it, but later I learned the crazy old bastich earned himself a bronze star pushing a willys jeep uphill, while wounded, so that his squad could use it as cover to approach and assault the machinegun pit that had wounded him - and he was royally pissed off when they bugged out just before he there, and proceeded to chase them on foot screaming insults and emptying his sidearm at them.

My family has always been a buncha stubborn, tempermental types.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 1:50 AM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Smart, thinking, patriotic Americans, that's who.

"WE"

Support childish tempertantrums in political discourse? Explains a lot about the American government right there.

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 2:09 AM

CITIZEN

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Last I checked, the Religious Right, a mere subset of the Republicans, weren't in power in either the House OR the Senate, so I fail to see how the GOP is " on the top of the (sic) heap, political power wise " . I'll grant you the presence of over bearing religious power interfering w/ our lives...here in GA, I can't buy beer on Sunday, unless I do so at a bar which serves food. It's not enough that we have to wait until noon, but we are FORBIDDEN to buy beer at ALL in the grocery or liquor store on Sunday. That's reserved for God, ya know.

I remember from when I was out there. Dying of thirst on the Sunday, me says I want a pint, friends say can't have, me says "Why did I come to this backward country, bunch of tee-total savages".

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But even w/ that, I think you're overlooking the dangers the Left poses w/ their 'carbon credits ' talk and the hysteria being driven w/ global warming. We're gonna be forced to used " energy saving " fluorescent light bulbs, which are chock full of mercury. Break one of those and you're required to call for a HAZ MAT team come to your home or business and sterilize the entire area. That's no joke, either!

That's a sweet bit of propaganda. Lets ignore the fact that they contain 5 miligrams of mercury to a mercury thermometers 3 grams (something no one seems to have a problem with), and that power stations emit far more mercury powering conventional lightbulbs than powering energy saving ones. Mercury isn't particularly dangerous at all, unless you drink it. The first Chinese Emperor used to do so all the time, BTW, it's so incredibly toxic it took years to kill him. Of course, I'm not suggesting a Mercury Smoothie is a good idea, just that the idea you'll be dangerously exposed, or require a hazard suit if you break an energy saving lightbulb is right up there with suggesting people smoke for their health. All in, I sincerely hope breaking an energy saving lightbulb requires a visit from a 'sterilisation' (sterilising team for a chemical contagion?) is a joke.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 4:02 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
I sincerely hope breaking an energy saving lightbulb requires a visit from a 'sterilisation' (sterilising team for a chemical contagion?) is a joke.

AU never jokes about his propaganda.

isall

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 9:59 AM

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1. Except when financing it, or do I need to point out again WHERE Saddam and Osama got the money and weapons that rocketed them (pun intended) to power ?

Osama got his money from his family. Saddam got his American support beause he was fighting Iran...I said we opposed Islamic fundalmentalism. Playing waring factions off each other and using them as pawns in our larger conflict with the Commies was just good policy.

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2. Actually they wanted Tea, but not at British Cartel prices...

Tea is not oil. Your better off making a whaling argument, but that would be doing your job for you.

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3. NeoCons don't want alliances, they want domination, and so did the Federalists.

Yeah, the Federalist during their 11 year reign of terror launched SO many wars of aggression...why the people of Earth still cringe at the whisper of the name..."Adams the Conqueror".

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4. Oh really, you DO know Lincoln tried to introduce an amendment to Constitutionally protect slavery, right ?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo104.html

Yes I did know that. He was a President seeking compromise to preserve the Union. But it was Republican party policy to oppose the expansion of slavery and to stamp it out where it exhisted.

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5. Oh yeah ? Morrill Tarriff anyone ? and WHAT party was Morrill ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_Tariff

He was a Whig and later a Republican from Vermont. In other words a Republican blue-blood or Rockefeller-Republican. In other words more of a Ford then a Reagan.

I note for the record that Democrat President James Buchannon signed the Act in law.

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6. Untrue, George Washington, proud possessor of both, presided over the original Constitutional Convention.

Yes. The Consitutional Convention. But since I was pointing out how the modern 21st Century Republicans are NOT 18th Century Federalists...I noted that at the forthcoming convention no powdered whigs or wooden teeth.

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7. And the Federalists, every bit as fond of funding the Mil-Industry Complex, bought a bunch of unnecessary Frigates for coastal defense.

Yeah, no need for a Navy, what with us having just fought off the worlds biggest NAVAL power. Still, Federalists completely missed the boat on Air Power. I can't think of a single Federalist who supported it (except maybe Ben Franklin...and he was always more of a D-R).

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8. They had a nutter from France named Ben.

You'll have to be more specific. The Federalists were always unrepresented by States out west...which is DIFFERENT from Republicans who have always done well in the frontier lands.

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9. I highly doubt that, since he despised Nationalist Banking, HATED corporatism, considered stacking the bench a grave sin against our nation, and considered dissent and occasional revolts downright patriotic.

Didn't say we'd vote for him...just that we get to claim him as our own and rub it in Democratic faces.

We could always trade him for Kennedy whose policies resembled Reagan more then Clinton or Roosevelt.

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10. But love debts as much as Adams and Hamilton, which drive us into cycles of ruin - postponing the payback via deficits does not eliminate it.

Republicans love alcohol, guns, and low taxes. "Cycles of ruin"...missed those. Must be one around here somewhere. Sure thats not a Tom Petty Album?

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11. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You laugh like a sheep.

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- you assholes have had a downright lock on the mainstream press since Adams, and it goes right down the line to Hearst, Sinclair and Murdoch/Ailes.

Yeah the mainstream press is falling all over with their love and praise for John McCain and President Bush.

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12. Excuse me, but Shrub is in fact, a New Englander, fake cowboy attitude and accent aside.

I'm orginally from the South. So I guess my Yankee accent and love for the Browns is fake.

I say a man has no control over where he's born.

But say what you want about Bush, but he's hardly a Connecticut Yankee any more then John McCain is Panamanian.

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13. But not undeclared quasi wars in third world countries for the benefit of corporations, how is this better ?

They are not against France. You'd think that would be obvious...

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14. BULLSHIT, Adams did it, Lincoln was downright fond of the practice.
(I will say in your defense that Wilson did it too, the prick.)

I watched 'John Adams' on HBO and he opposed the practice. Lincoln was in the midst of a Civil War, I think that gives him a bit of leeway on how he handles the press. But cite a Lincoln example for us...not saying your wrong, but I'm interested.

And what do you have against Wilson? Poor guy had a stroke and here you are kicking him. I think you just hate everybody...although it does make things simpler (which explains your arguments).

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15. That does not exactly count in your favor.

I'm not looking for favor...I was noting how the Federalists are NOT Republicans.

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16. Maybe not technically, but they WERE interested, as the first balloon flight in America was launched in Philadelphia on January 9, 1793.

The first balloon flight EVER was a decade earlier...in France. France, that place loved by D-Rs like Thomas Jefferson, who was there at the time.

It was the inventor's desire to demonstrate the balloon to us: "

Ye People of America, ye wise and happy Nation, who knowing the full value of liberty, are not insensible to that of a just submission to the laws, you attracted all my attention, and the desire of beholding you in the full enjoyment of the blessings of liberty, under the protection of your newly established government,
fired my soul as much as the wish of acquiring some glory among you." Blanchard, 1793.

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17. Committees of correspondence WERE the internet back then.

Just because AlGore invented them does not make them the internet.

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18. Alexander Hamilton (I STILL think Burr did us all a favor, mind you)

Unlike Hamilton, Rush Limbaugh has never held a position in government. A better comparison is Ben Franklin (who wrote newspapers and books) and some of the other folks who wrote pamphlets on various topics back then...maybe Thomas Paine?

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19. Oh and the Federalists weren't greedy landgrabbers themselves ?

Everyone is a greedy landgrabber. Not everyone is a Federalist. Next you'll be saying "why the Federalist wore clothing and ate cooked meat, just like the NeoCons."

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20. No, they just spawned his idiotic trickle-down legacy, better termed "make US rich and maybe we'll share.."

Wow, a new country with a stable national economy. Why that's idiotic. Cause the old pre-Constitutional system was working SO well. No capital, no investment, huge trade disparity, inflation, unemployment, civil unrest, British troops sitting in our territory, and our ships harrassed on the open seas. I can see how you'd like that better.

I think the point is obvious. Federalists are long passed. You can't blame your failures on the policies of a party whose time has come and gone. They lost on many of their ideas, but ultimately won the central argument of the era...that those thirteen states ought and of right should be one American nation.

H

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:

But say what you want about Bush,

Yes- say what you want & forget about facts

Chinese jet pilot Chrisisall

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:57 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by citizen:
I sincerely hope breaking an energy saving lightbulb requires a visit from a 'sterilisation' (sterilising team for a chemical contagion?) is a joke.

AU never jokes about his propaganda.

isall

From the friendly folks at the EPA and the U.S. Dept. of Energy:

How should I clean up a broken fluorescent bulb?

1. Before Clean-up: Air Out the Room
 Have people and pets leave the room, and don't let anyone walk through the breakage area on their way out.
 Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
 Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system, if you have one.

2. Clean-Up Steps for Hard Surfaces
 Carefully scoop up glass fragments and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place them in a glass jar with
metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
 Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass pieces and powder.
 Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place towels in the glass jar or plastic bag.
 Do not use a vacuum or broom to clean up the broken bulb on hard surfaces.

3. Clean-up Steps for Carpeting or Rug:
 Carefully pick up glass fragments and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a
sealed plastic bag.
 Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
 If vacuuming is needed after all visible materials are removed, vacuum the area where the bulb was broken.
 Remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister), and put the bag or vacuum debris in a sealed plastic
bag.

4. Clean-up Steps for Clothing, Bedding, etc.:
 If clothing or bedding materials come in direct contact with broken glass or mercury-containing powder from inside
the bulb that may stick to the fabric, the clothing or bedding should be thrown away. Do not wash such clothing or
bedding because mercury fragments in the clothing may contaminate the machine and/or pollute sewage.
 You can, however, wash clothing or other materials that have been exposed to the mercury vapor from a broken
CFL, such as the clothing you are wearing when you cleaned up the broken CFL, as long as that clothing has not
come into direct contact with the materials from the broken bulb.
 If shoes come into direct contact with broken glass or mercury-containing powder from the bulb, wipe them off
with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place the towels or wipes in a glass jar or plastic bag for
disposal.

5. Disposal of Clean-up Materials
 Immediately place all clean-up materials outdoors in a trash container or protected area for the next normal trash
pickup.
 Wash your hands after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing clean-up materials.
 Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your specific area. Some states do not
allow such trash disposal. Instead, they require that broken and unbroken mercury-containing bulbs be taken to a
local recycling center.

6. Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rug: Air Out the Room During and After Vacuuming
 The next several times you vacuum, shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system and open a
window before vacuuming.
 Keep the central heating/air conditioning system shut off and the window open for at least 15 minutes after
vacuuming is completed.

There! Feel safe now ?

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

There! Feel safe now ?

Oh please AU- those are 'idiot steps' designed to help hapless fools muddle through a cleanup of the crap...

Here's the elite instructions:
1) Clean it up and don't get any in you.
2) Dispose in plastic bag.

isall

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:49 PM

America loves a winner!

Where are the 'idiot steps' , as you put it, for when an incandescent light breaks ?

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 1:05 PM