The Worst President in US History? by piratenews

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/the_worst_presi
dent_in_history

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

"We do not torture." GW Bush

Potato Sticks - yummy

Mission Accompliced

Bob Woodward: "How's history going to judge this?"
George W Bush: “History? We won’t know. We’ll all be dead.”
-PBS Frontline 2004
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/choice2004/interviews/woodward.
html

My wife's area director is also in the "national guard", and is now deployed to Iraq for 2 years, starting this week. Will he survive? Will he return maimed or insane? But hey, its opportunity for her promotion. Funny how that military industrial complex corporation with 15,000 employees hires mostly illegal aliens, including management, and wins awards from the Chambers of Commerce. Funny how a US soldier would hire illegal aliens as part of an army of 50-million that already invaded USA, with a history of cannibalism.

Glad she resigned from the national guard. All it took was a letter:
http://piratenews.org/pentagonwhistleblower.html

I'd still vote for Abe Lincoln Rothschild as the worst president in US history. Bush only massacred 20,000 US citizens on 9/11 and declared martial law, and only killed a few 1,000 more in New Orleans. "Lincoln" massacred half a million US citizens under martial law, and burned entire US cities to the ground. But Lincoln never signed SPP.gov to overthrow USA and replace it with a North American Union, for Bush's cousin, the German queen of England, to annex USA back into the British Commonwealth Empire.

So Bush is still in 2nd place. Unless he does something REALLY monstrous between now and January...

Quote:
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, heh heh heh, just so long as I'm the dictator, heh heh heh. A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, no question about it. I don't give a goddamn! I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way! Stop throwing the Constitution in my face!. It's just a goddamned piece of paper! You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."
-George W Bush

http://piratenews.org/911con.html
http://september911surprise.com

"Half of writing history is hiding the truth."
-Capt Malcolm Reynolds, Serenity

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Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:16 PM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

More crap from the Memory Hole:

Quote:
"There's a report out tonight that 24-years ago I was apprehended in Kennebunkport, Maine, for a DUI. That's an accurate story. I'm not proud of that. I oftentimes said that years ago I made some mistakes. I occasionally drank too much and I did on that night. I was pulled over. I admitted to the policeman that I had been drinking. I paid a fine. And I regret that it happened. But it did. I've learned my lesson."
—President George W. Bush, CNN Larry King Live, November 2, 2000
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/02/bush.dui/

Dick Cheney's 2 DUI arrests and convictions:
www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cheney_doc.html

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TUCKER CARLSON: A lot of entertainers have come out against the war in Iraq. Have you?

BRITNEY SPEARS: Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens.

CARLSON: Do you trust this president?

SPEARS: Yes, I do.

-CNN September 3, 2003, FAHRENHEIT 9/11

CNN September 3, 2003, FAHRENHEIT 9/11

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"Reports have emerged from the UK that fallen pop star Britney Spears tried to hang herself with a bedsheet during rehab, after screaming that she was the 'anti-christ'. She made the demonic cry after scrawling the devil's number '666' across her head. Within days of her suicidal behaviour, Spears - who was in and out of rehab before shaving her own head and later attacking a photographer's car with an umbrella - was begging estranged husband Kevin Federline not only for a reconciliation, but demanding she wanted to soon have another baby."
-Sidney Daily Telegraph, "Britney's rehab suicide bid", March 05, 2007

Ditto!

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:25 AM

WHOZIT

Rolling Stone gets to pick who the worst President is? Can I pick Rolling Stone as "Biggest Whores" for B.O.?

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:41 AM

RAINSTICK

Hmm,

I don't like Bush either and I think his policies have had disastrous consequences, but I don't think the Rolling Stone is qualified to pass such a historical verdict on who is or was the worst president. Who knows what people will say in 20, 50, 100 years? I'm not saying they'll put Dubya among the greatest presidents, but his actions might be seen very differently.

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:50 AM

KHYRON

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Originally posted by rainstick:
[...]I don't think the Rolling Stone is qualified to pass such a historical verdict on who is or was the worst president.

They don't. According to the cover, they ask the question, which is probably in response to what the "leading historian" (which is likely to mean that he's not somebody from Rolling Stone's staff) said about Bush's presidency.

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:14 AM

RAINSTICK

Okay, right. Even if they have a professional doing it, that doesn't mean the Rolling Stone is the right place for that sort of thing. It's a music magazine, for crying out loud, or has there been a change concerning that?

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:30 AM

KHYRON

From Wikipedia: "Rolling Stone is a United States-based magazine devoted to music, politics, and popular culture that is published every two weeks."

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:39 AM

RAINSTICK

See, learned something new today. Didn't know that it was anything besides a music mag. Thank you for that. However, I still think it's a bit early for guessing what history will say about Bush. In a couple of years, fine, but right now, while he's still president, I don't know. While I can understand all the Bush-bashing, it seems to me it has become such a popular sport that putting something like that historical judgment on the cover is a bit cheap.

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:49 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Jimmy Carter had his share of detractors while he was still in office, and so did Clinton. I think seven and a half years is plenty of time to come to a verdict on Dubya. In my mind it is almost totally negative.

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:52 AM

WHOZIT

Rolling Stone thinks they're slick by putting a question mark at the end, they ar'nt fooling anyone. They're in the tank for B.O. Someone should explain to them that they do'nt get to choose who's in and who's not. Maybe they're a relic of a by gone era? 60's are over, come join us in the future, here we have Cell phones and Viagra. You limped dicked aging hippies will love that.

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 7:03 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Plenty of candidates for worst president in history.

I'm thinking of one who:
- got us involved in the longest war in U.S. history, with over 50,000 Americans dead,
- tried (unsuccessfully) to assassinate at least two heads of foreign governments,
- developed, funded and trained a revolutionary army, and then abandoned on the beach to die in the middle of a coup attempt ,
- backed another coup in a middle-eastern country,
- came the closest in history to getting us into a nuclear war,
- kept a significant medical condition which might affect the performance of his duties from the public,
- cheated on his wife, while in office, with several other women,
- and managed to do this all in less than three years.

Then there's the one who:
- after promising to keep us out of war, got us into a world war,
- suspended habeus corpus,
- encouraged passage of the Sedition and Espionage Acts, and then used them to, among other things, jail 175,000 Americans for voicing opposition to the war and the draft,
- created para-military organizations of several hundred thousand people to spy on their neighbors, break strikes, arrest people suspected of not being "100% American", and commit other abuses.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 7:59 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Quote:
Originally posted by rainstick:
However, I still think it's a bit early for guessing what history will say about Bush. In a couple of years, fine, but right now, while he's still president,

Why? What could possibly happen in the next few months that would mitigate the last 7 and a half years? Lets call a spade a spade. Bush the younger is THE WORST PRESIDENT in US history.

See the earth didn't explode.

eta: the author of the article is the Sidney and Ruth Lapidus Professor of History at Princeton University. So regardless of where the article is published, I think he might have some knowledge in this area.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:06 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Someone should explain to them that they do'nt get to choose who's in and who's not.

So who does? FHM? Maxim? GQ? Faux News? You?

If not THE worst, I think history is going to put GWB at least high on the list of the worst Presidents in history.

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:42 AM

WHOZIT

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Someone should explain to them that they do'nt get to choose who's in and who's not.

So who does? FHM? Maxim? GQ? Faux News? You?

If not THE worst, I think history is going to put GWB at least high on the list of the worst Presidents in history.

No not me, the mass's do. FOX News #1 in cable news, why? Ratings. Rush Limbaug #1 in talk radio, why? Ratings. American Idol #1 TV show, why? I think you get it by now, just because rags like Rolling Stone and TIME keep putting B.O. on there covers it does'nt mean he's #1. I can not pick the next fad or super star, but again who are they to decide for us. Firefly did'nt make it because of ratings and was canceled, yet I'm a Browncoat anyway, if I could choose the next big fad, Firefly would be bigger than STAR WARS or STAR TREK.

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:30 AM

I have to disagree, Shrub is a putz, but he's far from the worst we've ever had historically.

I do believe "honest" Abe Lincoln takes that singular honor, hands down, but he stands in company with other sumbitches almost as bad.

Adams
Wilson
FDR
Nixon
Johnson

That's just off the top of my head - and part of why Shrub has been so damaging has been the pathetic unwillingness of the other branches to curb his abuses, most especially the nutless pansies in congress, regardless of party.

And I highly suspect the reason the Dems have pussyfooted around when it comes to rolling back his usurpations is because THEY wish to use them once his administration is run out of town on a rail, all the while playing like their own hands are clean cause he set the precedent.

Watch out for that people, this from the person who TOLD YOU the Dems would roll over like a bitch once they got a congressional majority, however slight, and ya didn't believe me then, did you now ?

Anyhows, Shrubs far from the most awful Prez we've ever had, he's too bonehead stupid to carry forth some of the vicious agendas of his predecessors.

Stupid ? sure.
Incompetent ? hell yes.
Juvenille ? oh yeah.
Misguided ? one could say so.

Worst president in history ?
Not by a longshot.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:51 AM

CHRISISALL

The worst in recent history, then

(Like, since I been able to vote history)

Clarifyin' Chrisisall

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:01 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

"developed, funded and trained a revolutionary army, and then abandoned on the beach to die in the middle of a coup attempt,"

It was my understanding that the President X alluded to above actually inherited this project from his predecessor. It was also my understanding that the CIA misled President X about what sorts of support would be essential to the operation.

So it's always been my understanding that President X inherited a turd and was misinformed about how to squeeze it out.

If you have information to the contrary, do let me know.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:04 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

On a further note, I don't think a presidency can be adequately judged without distance.

In ten years, if you all still think Bush was the worst president ever, okay then.

But that kind of judgement should take time and territory to ascertain.

Besides, isn't it enough that he's not a very good president?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Bush is prolly not the worst President ever in history. However, I think he will be remembered as the Gorbachev of the USA in that he presided over the beginning of the end of the US empire.

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:22 PM

RIGHTEOUS9

Frem,

I'd like to hear your thoughts on FDR,

who rates among the top of my list for best Presidents...

is this just an idealogical disagreement because he ushered in social programs such as social security?

I can think of two major detractors of his Prsidency taht I know of, but am intersted in others...

Tried to stack the supreme court by expanding its numbers so that he could nominate like 5 more people(didn't go over well with his own congress)(and to be fair, my other favorite president, Thomas Jefferson did something similar in the reverse when faced with Jon Adams choices on the bench)

intered Japanese Americans, which truly is disgusting...and even when I was about to defend it as being a condition of the times, there being no real political choice in the matter, I don't know if that's true or if that's a good enough excuse(even in the face of trying to focus on a global war)

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by the way, did you see the documentary Adams? Just wondering because I dont' know much about him beyond certain policy enactions, and the drama paints him as a much more moderate individual than say, Hamilton.

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:44 PM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Several bad presidents perped false-flag terrorism, ordered the US military to stand down, and pay enemy soldiers to attack US military bases. USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, USS Liberty. JFK vetoed Operation Northwoods, terminated the Vietnam War, was "smashing the CIA into a 1000 pieces", and killed the private Federal Reserve Bank counterfeit scam. So Pentagon's Northwoods and its CIA version Operation Mongoose were used to kill JFK in a coup d'etat, with help from CIA commander George Bush Sr, later promoted to CIA director, president, and Knight of the British Empire. Treason is as old as General Benedict Arnold and the Revolutionary War. Jr Bush is the one who finally killed USA via SPP.gov contract to be annexed by the British Commonwealth Empire. Obama is foreign born, a foreign citizen, and not a legitimate president. So Bush is the last actual "president" of USA, not counting 2 stolen "elections".

At least Rolling Stone reported on Nixon's CIA Watergate plumbers confessing on videotape to the CIA assassination of president JFK Sr:

Quote:
The Last Confessions of E Howard Hunt

E Howard Hunt under arrest in Dealy Plaza and Watergate trial

He was the ultimate keeper of secrets, lurking in the shadows of American history. He toppled banana republics, planned the Bay of Pigs invasion and led the Watergate break-in. Now he would reveal what he'd always kept hidden: He and the CIA killed JFK for LBJ and Nixon.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/the_last_confessio
ns_of_e_howard_hunt

Tramps under arrest in Dealy Plaza before arrest of active duty US Marine soldier Oswald

www.infowars.com/articles/us/jfk_hunt_confessed_cia_murdered_jfk.htm
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/300407deathbedconfession.htm
www.saintjohnhunt.com

"I didn't shoot nobody, no sir. I'm just a patsy!"
-Lee Harvey Oswald, US Naval Intelligence, before his murder inside the Dallas Police Dept

1 & 2: Easy kill shot ignored from Book Warehouse
3. JFK shot in back from Daltex Oil HQ
4. JFK shot in face from Fence on Grassy Knoll

Bill Hicks on the JFK Assassination Coup D'Etat

None of the other "news" corporations reported Hunt's confession, but they love selling Scientologist Ethan Hunt in Mission Impossible, based on E Howard.

Does a bear crap in the woods, if the media mafia scoops the poop and flushes it down a toilet?

"Half of writing history is hiding the truth."
-Capt Malcolm Reynolds, Serenity

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:03 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
It was my understanding that the President X alluded to above actually inherited this project from his predecessor. It was also my understanding that the CIA misled President X about what sorts of support would be essential to the operation.

So it's always been my understanding that President X inherited a turd and was misinformed about how to squeeze it out.

Not sure where it says that a President can't disband the programs of a prior administration, especially ones of the other party. And regardless of who started the program, President X continued it, authorized sending forces into harms way, and then failed to provide the support they needed to be successful. As for the CIA misleading him, that excuse doesn't seem to wash with critics when it's applied to the current president.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:28 PM

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As for the CIA misleading him, that excuse doesn't seem to wash with critics when it's applied to the current president.

So does President X get a pass on this one in your book? You certainly seem willing to look the other way when, as you say, it's applied to the current president.

Personally, I don't give Prez X a pass on that one, either. As you say, he could've scrapped it, but he signed off on it. And he said that he felt it was his biggest mistake. (Personally, I think catching that bullet with his head was his biggest mistake, but that might be splitting hairs...)

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:46 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I think I do give him a pass on that particular error. Hey, you're supposed to trust the people around you to give you good advice, and he wasn't getting advice from any other source about that one. To my knowledge, he wasn't given a platter with five pieces of data that pointed one way, and a sixth that pointed the other.

He was given one piece of data, one piece of advice, and he was thoroughly grieved when it turned out to be wrong. He also owned up to it.

I don't expect my leaders to be always right. I only expect them to be as right as they can be, and to acknowledge when they aren't.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:03 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
It was my understanding that the President X alluded to above actually inherited this project from his predecessor. It was also my understanding that the CIA misled President X about what sorts of support would be essential to the operation.

So it's always been my understanding that President X inherited a turd and was misinformed about how to squeeze it out.

Not sure where it says that a President can't disband the programs of a prior administration, especially ones of the other party. And regardless of who started the program, President X continued it, authorized sending forces into harms way, and then failed to provide the support they needed to be successful. As for the CIA misleading him, that excuse doesn't seem to wash with critics when it's applied to the current president.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

I believe that Kennedy was assured the landing force could function without direct support from US forces. This was the approved action. When this turned out to not be the case, and the CIA requested Naval aviation, he then withdrew that approval as the situation had changed.

Mind you I think the bay of pigs was a terrorist action which failed, but hey

Lets party like its 1939

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:44 PM

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I don't expect my leaders to be always right. I only expect them to be as right as they can be, and to acknowledge when they aren't.

Blasphemer! Why do you hate America so much?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:24 PM

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It was my understanding that the President X alluded to above actually inherited this project from his predecessor. It was also my understanding that the CIA misled President X about what sorts of support would be essential to the operation.

Well, back then the CIA was tossing out all kinds of plans to get us boiled down into wars, not the least of which was NORTHWOODS, which resulted in the firing of Lemnitzer and damn near lead to the dismissal of McNamara, which if you ask me, would have been a good thing.

They wanted to restart the cold war by provoking Cuba, this little cabal, and they meant to do it regardless of the will of the people or the president, so of course they would lie unstintingly - if you review the list of NSAM issued by his office, there's a constant theme toward improving our nuclear security and putting a leash on these alphabent agency goons.

Of particular interest would be NSAM 170, but *good luck* finding a copy as it seems to now be retroactively classified and unavailable, there's a chance for PN to impress if he wants to bother digging it up.
(Side note: You might actually wanna listen to him on this one, most of the stuff he's posting there is quite accurate.)

While this era had it's fairly progressive folk, it had a rather large cabal of Staussian bastards like Allen Dulles, Cord Meyer, Scoop Jackson, Howard Hunt and the like, all of whom were willing to use any means necessary to kickstart the cold war, and Johnson was fully in their pocket.

George Bush Sr wasn't kidding when he said that if the american people knew what was done in their name by the alphabet agencies they would be chased down the street and lynched.

I mean, just the shit we (officially) KNOW about is bad enough, isn't it ?

They went so far as to sack the University of Washington in 2005 and classify (read: steal and burn) a lot of Scoop Jacksons personal archive because it incriminated them so very badly.

Need I mention that Jackson's office also spawned the next generation of these sumbitches like Wolfowitz, Feith and Abrams ?

I also was not kidding that you can trace the lines right back down through history all the way to the fucking Federalists if you wanted to.

I think President X, once he realized how he'd been scammed, and just how far the intel goons wanted to take this, pulled the rug out from under them even knowing that most of the invasion force would die - I would have done the same under the circumstances, although knowing what kind of monster I was dealing with, would have been unlikely to get baited so in the first place.

For them it was win-win, if they pulled it off, they got to kickstart the cold war again, and if it failed, they could blame the Prez for not being enough of a warmonger to "get things done".

And if you put the pieces together, the whole mess becomes a fairly clear picture.

And don't even get me started on Kissinger, the devils own imp, the only reason that sumbitch is still alive is cause hell won't take him.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:52 PM

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I'd like to hear your thoughts on FDR

Well, yeah, the bench stacking and internment is horrible enough...

But,

There's a whole laundry list, starting with his association with that bastard William Randolf Hearst, who has his own list of misdeeds to consider, and his support was not without price, I can tell you.

Let's see - Executive Order 6102 and screwing us out of the gold standard, a chicken that's finally come home to roost in a big way.
This actually my biggest gripe, I can't even detail in a single post just how badly that fucked up our economy, but like arsenic, the damage is not often immediately apparent.

Hordes of Federal Agencies, all UnConstitutional, sucking up our tax dime for little if any benefit, and lead the way for more, and more... and more...

There was his initial support of unions, and sudden vicious turnaround as the AFL and CIO split ways, fighting over the scraps left over from the slow collapse of the IWW thanks to AFL strike breaking and Government supported harrassment.

His support of Franco, and near idolization of the Fascists till it become unpopular - consider WHO Franco's opposition was for why I am pissed off about that, playing pattycake with Stalin doesn't go over too well neither.

His deliberate and intentional attempts to get us involved in WWII despite promises to the contrary, up to and including a deliberate set of provocations DESIGNED to bait the Japanese into attacking us, and deliberately leaving the Pearl Harbor command staff in the dark, swinging at the windy corner.

For what it's worth though, it wasn't "all bad", but when it's tallied on my scoreboard, it comes out as a negative.

His wife was a hell of a lady though, he married well, I'll give him that.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 7:26 PM

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by the way, did you see the documentary Adams? Just wondering because I dont' know much about him beyond certain policy enactions, and the drama paints him as a much more moderate individual than say, Hamilton.

That's what ya call a whitewash...

Hamilton was a rabid Feudal-Fascist-Federalist, and HE was moderate in comparison to Adams.

"Adams contended that social classes exist in every political society, and that a good government must accept that reality. For centuries, dating back to Aristotle, a mixed regime balancing monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy, or the monarch, nobles, and people was required to preserve order and liberty"

"all divines and moral philosophers will agree that the happiness of the individual is the end of man."

"The very mention of sumptuary laws will excite a smile. Whether our countrymen have wisdom and virtue enough to submit to them, I know not; but the happiness of the people might be greatly promoted by them, and a revenue saved sufficient to carry on this war forever. Frugality is a great revenue, besides curing us of vanities, levities, and fopperies, which are real antidotes to all great, manly, and warlike virtues."

Hamilton actually thought he was pushing the agenda too publicly, and opposed him mostly for exposing their nefarious agenda before it was fully in place.

Adams was no idiot, and his concept of separated branches of Government first established in this pamphlet is an idea that still serves (badly) in use even today.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Thoughts_on_Government

Oddly enough, he was also opposed to slavery in practice, finding it distasteful, and never practiced such himself, but that never really found it's way into his policies.

He was a stone hypocrite otherwise though, and it showed through when he was Washingtons veep - not only did he try pretty hard to set Washington as a King, complete with pompous titles that everyone else found ridiculous, he also used his position so unstintingly to advance a unitary executive that the rest of the senate was on the verge of lynching his ass.

All the while pissing and whining that the veep didn't have ENOUGH power or authority.

He of course threw in with the Federalists when the split occured, and then proceeded to more or less throw a tantrum cause he, as a "better man" wasn't in charge of it all.

The Federalists didn't like him neither, but they feared Jefferson so terribly that they would have put forth Satan himself as a candidate to oppose him, and boy did they ever - as Adams petulantly stayed home, since he believed he should just be HANDED the office, since he was so superior to everyone else, the Federalists ran a very active campaign which might not have done so well if he hadn't, since Adams (much like John Kerry) tended to sink his own chances every time he opened his mouth anyway, so I doubt they were displeased with his decision.

Of course, the actions of his presidency, noteably the Alien and Sedition acts, are a matter of record, and simply more of his stubborn and selfish nature, Adams was known to be explosively emotional if questioned or opposed.

His candicacy and attempt for re-election fell to his own deeds, deliberate sabotage by Hamilton, who felt he was really hurting their cause by being such an ass, and some slick work in the NY Senate on behalf of Aaron Burr, who was a real mastermind of a plotter and apparently intent on the destruction of the Federalist Party even then.

Even then that wasn't enough, he chose to stack the benches on his way out, and while mostly undone later, it did curse us with that sumbitch John Marshall, and lead directly the Judicial Usurpations that the Anti-Federalists warned us about.

All in all, a nasty, petty man with a brilliant mind, undone by his own ambition and emotional instability.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 7:41 PM

Oh, and one last thing...

Me calling these modern sumbitches Federalists ?

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/12/federalist-society-25/
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/24/fed-society-doj-report/

http://www.fed-soc.org/

Is that clear enough for everyone ?

-F

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:17 PM

RIGHTEOUS9

Frem,

Thanks for both posts....they were worth reading.

I haven't abandoned FDR from my top five just yet, but his detractions do need to be weighed, and I need to learn a lot about other Presidencies...

actually Adams(the miniseries) did come down pretty close to the information you laid out, except that they made it seem like his signing of the sedition acts was a great moral struggle within him, and that he spurned Hamilton BECAUSE he thought Hamilton was going too far.

Then Hamilton dropped him.

I wondered when watching it how accurate that was. Your take might make more sense, especially considering that Adams did, even according to the mini-series, attempt to have the title "His Excellency" applied to the President...

speaking of which,

there's a book on Washington called "His Excellency" which I thought was kind of an offensive twisting considering how such titles were spurned by congress(and if the miniseries was right about this, by Washington himself), but I haven't read it, and maybe there's some reasonable explanation for picking the title.

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:10 PM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Well, back then the CIA was tossing out all kinds of plans to get us boiled down into wars, not the least of which was NORTHWOODS, which resulted in the firing of Lemnitzer and damn near lead to the dismissal of McNamara, which if you ask me, would have been a good thing.

Of particular interest would be NSAM 170, but *good luck* finding a copy as it seems to now be retroactively classified and unavailable, there's a chance for PN to impress if he wants to bother digging it up.

NORTHWOODS was not supposed to EVER see the light of day, but somebody in NSA leaked it, hoping to prevent 9/11.

Clearly NORTHWOODS is not only the Pentagon/CIA confession to 9/11, but also a confession to the CIA/Pentagon murder of JFK.

NSAM 170 probably was related to NORTHWOODS, perhaps JFK's veto of it, with added footnotes saying how insane and treasonous that plan was.

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NSAM 170 - Title: Intelligence Collection???
www.milnet.com/nsam/nsam.htm
www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/NSAMs.
htm
www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nsam-jfk/index.html

NSAM 170 - Title: Classified
www.cryptome.org/nsc-docs.htm

CIA/NSA/NRO Google has cleaned the planetary servers so only 5 links show for "NSAM 170".

"National security memorandum 170" shows zero hits.

Internet2 is coming online. What did 1984 call it? Enjoy your lobotomy. I'm forgetting now...

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And don't even get me started on Kissinger, the devils own imp, the only reason that sumbitch is still alive is cause hell won't take him.

-Frem

At least Heinz Kissinger got his own action figure and TV toon show. And Peter Sellers got to play him. Does that make him cool?

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:51 PM

Well, as the man said...

"Everything goes somewhere, and I go everywhere."

Remember, there was a time this shit WASN'T classified.

170 was actually more along the lines of "Do your job and quit screwing with the populace or I'll have your ass." - but all you got for that is me sayin it, which wouldn't be good enough for me, and certainly shouldn't be good enough for you.

As for Scoops documents, while potentially incriminating in minor ways, it was nothing they'd be hung for, neither - just a matter of the step by step plan the NeoCons have followed, up to and including a draft of something verymuch like the Patriot Act, and suggestions on FEMA's role in "reducing related civil unrest."

The whole concept of intel-share clearing houses, what they're calling "Fusion Centers" was in there too, and damn me for not thinking to photocopy them, coulda made a bundle selling em to tabloids, meh.

At the time they were relatively obscure and forgotten, from a period of history no one really wanted to remember the awful details of, and only a really smart cracker would have thought to run a cleanup in that kinda detail...

Ergo, that would NOT have been Big Daddy Bush, but rather more likely ole Bill Colby, who, conveniently capped it when certain questions started sneaking up on him and his cohorts.

While I'd rather have him around to answer those questions, I kinda feel better with Colby pushing up the daisies, because like Rumsfeld, he was that rarest of beasts, a smart, competent Straussian who knew what he was doing, and those are damn dangerous.

Love the Kissinger doll, that's priceless, heh.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:16 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Bush Lite the worst ever, nah. Not by a long shot.

The man won the general election in 2000, fair and square.

He defended our honor by going after Sadam Hussien and finished the job his father started (remember Mission Accomplished?) after the cowards attacked us in 9/11.

He helped to create the Patriot Act that bolstered our Constitution.

His administration exposed Valerie Plame for not finding the Weapons of Mass Destruction (have we found those yet, I'm sure they're there somewhere.
Boy that Saddam sure is sneaky).

He created the Homeland Security Adminstration and the Terror Alert color system so we would know when to be afraid.

He helped to capture the sons of bitches who flew planes into our Twin Towers, didn't he?

Well, let's see, oh yeah he sent troops into Iraq and kicked you-know-what. He said so. You know, because of WMDs.

He kept his promise that the first responders of 9/11 would be taken care of, didn't he?

Well, he surely kept his promise about no draft. That one I know for sure. Of course, our brave men and women of the armed forces have to serve several tours of duty, but he kept his promise.

Homeland Security responded real quick when Katrina hit New Orleans. He even went and toured the devastation, in a helicopter and everything.
The government did a great job there. Right?

So now way he's the worst. Well, he may be in line waiting his turn for the prize, but he's not THE worst. So lay off of him. History, smishtory he's way smarter than his dad ever was. He's got a good sense of humer too.

Yay, Prez. I wish we could have 4 more years.

"Strange days indeed, most peculiar momma" John Lennon

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