It's Palin by Khyron

yep, that's what i hear...

still trying to figure that one out...

(i could say something snarky like.. maybe McCain needed a young caretaker more than a vice president - but that would not be very nice.. so i won't say it)

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Friday, August 29, 2008 6:05 AM

KHYRON

Wasn't McCain's choice, apparently he wanted Lieberman (another WTF!? choice), but he was overruled by Rove and the other powers-that-be. So, John McCain being the maverick that John McCain is, he fell in line and picked who they wanted him to pick.

At first I thought Palin would be a good choice (might appeal to Hillary-Democrats), but now I think it's a mistake. You don't accuse your opponent of being too inexperienced by picking somebody who's even more inexperienced.

She's hot though, so I don't mind seeing more of here.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 6:08 AM

Wow. Pander Bear does it again! Hillary Clinton earned every one of her 18 million votes while McCain appoints a woman to cash in on the few disaffected Hillary supporters who would rather see a woman--any woman--in office than to have women's rights upheld. The Republicans are truly desperate if they'll stoop to stunt casting the VP. Cynical, cynical, cynical.

Oh, and to my adoring fans who'll say that I'm the one being cynical, "if it was a dem--blah, blah, blah," I'll ask you: if the dems hadn't already nominated an African American, and if Hillary hadn't already pulled in 18 million votes, would this 2 year (not even a full term!) governor be getting the nod? If there were any doubt that the GOP has lost all respect for our democracy, this should remove it.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 6:12 AM

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Has Palin been exonerated in that investigation as to whether or not she tried to use her power to get her ex-brother-in-law fired?

I read somewhere that that might be retaliation for her own role in sending some crooked politicians up the river, so I won't pass judgement yet, but while that investigatin still goes on, it seems like a risky choice.

On the other hand, if it does ammount to nothing, she seems like a smart choice, though I do think the reasoning behind it is pretty sleazy.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 6:16 AM

HK... not sure i'm gonna cop to the 'adoring fans' thing... but i am in total agreement with you here - the scent of desperation is certainly in the air...

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Friday, August 29, 2008 7:30 AM

A poster over on Huffington Post asked if Palin wasn't a member of Monty Python...

no, but she is from Alaska - so maybe she's a lumberjack - and she's ok...!

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:12 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Wow. Pander Bear does it again! Hillary Clinton earned every one of her 18 million votes while McCain appoints a woman to cash in on the few disaffected Hillary supporters who would rather see a woman--any woman--in office than to have women's rights upheld. The Republicans are truly desperate if they'll stoop to stunt casting the VP. Cynical, cynical, cynical.

So you are saying that she will not do a good job? She is not the best candidate, only a way to get Hilary voters? Are you being a little sexist in your attempt to smear all that is Republican?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:22 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Wow. Pander Bear does it again! Hillary Clinton earned every one of her 18 million votes while McCain appoints a woman to cash in on the few disaffected Hillary supporters who would rather see a woman--any woman--in office than to have women's rights upheld. The Republicans are truly desperate if they'll stoop to stunt casting the VP. Cynical, cynical, cynical.

So you are saying that she will not do a good job. She is not the best candidate, only a way to get Hilary voters? Are you being a little sexist in your attempt to smear all that is Republican?

Ah, one of my adoring fans! I knew you couldn't stay away! Oh yes, yes, I'm being so very sexist! Oh, grumble, grumble, how can I counter your righteous attack? Um...um...WWRD (What would Rove do?)

Oh, I know!

Ahem, ahem. Lemme just puff out my chest here and put on my scowly face: Oh, BDM, how could you stoop so low! Playing the GENDER CARD! I am indeed shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

There.

How was that?

Oh, and um, yeah: she is not the best candidate, only a way to get Hillary voters. Pure stunt casting. Just another corrupt political appointment from the folks who do it best!

Someone up in the thread asked a good question or two:

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If the dems hadn't already nominated an African American, and if Hillary hadn't already pulled in 18 million votes, would this 2 year (not even a full term!) governor be getting the nod? If there were any doubt that the GOP has lost all respect for our democracy, this should remove it.

Well said!

HKCavalier

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:32 AM

What's the matter? You people think girls are icky and have coodies or somthing? McCain made the perfect choice and now you douch bags are pissed. Just eat it, OK!

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:39 AM

The guy can't spell "cooties!" lmao

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:39 AM

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Originally posted by whozit:
What's the matter? You people think girls are icky and have coodies or somthing? McCain made the perfect choice and now you douch bags are pissed. Just eat it, OK!

It’s the kind of typical Liberal rhetoric that one hears a lot. Many Liberals seem to love the idea of diversity and feminism when the African-Americans and women are Democrats, but look at the kinds of racist and sexist remarks that have come from Liberals about Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. At some point it becomes hard to see how this love of diversity is anything more then partisan rhetoric, for a lot of Democrats and Liberals.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:42 AM

has it come to this? who has more experience.... an ex beauty queen, ex mayor of a town of 9000 - governor of a state with the infamous bridge to nowhere.... or a coodie...

coodie is looking pretty good

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:46 AM

Get over your righteous indignation. Yeah, Dems are taking potshots at her - but I'm sure all you conservatives were welling up with wonderfull things to say about Biden.

Get the fuck over yourselves.

I don't think she's a terrible choice. But anyone saying that pandering to those disaffected Hillary supports wasn't at least a part of this choice, has their head buried in Turdblossom's ass.

It is amusing that both Presidential candidates, essentially chose a proxy of their opponent as their running mate.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:49 AM

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The guy can't spell "cooties!" lmao

HKCavalier

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EAT IT!!!!

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:50 AM

Okay, since you loveable rogues can't answer a simple question, I'll do it for ya:

If the dems hadn't already nominated an African American, and if Hillary hadn't already pulled in 18 million votes, would this virtually unknown, 1 and a half year (not even a full term!) governor be getting the nod?

Not on your life. And you know it.

There are countless Republicans with better credentials than Palin--some of them even got some votes (you know, those little things democratic societies use from time to time?) for President in the primaries. But no, Palin trumps 'em all in...in...well, I'm sure they'll dig up (or is that drill up?) something!

HKCavalier

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:50 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Get over your righteous indignation. Yeah, Dems are taking potshots at her - but I'm sure all you conservatives were welling up with wonderfull things to say about Biden.

I didn’t say anything bad about Biden. And while many people may have criticized Biden, it wasn’t for the color of his skin or his gender.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:52 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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Originally posted by whozit:
What's the matter? You people think girls are icky and have coodies or somthing? McCain made the perfect choice and now you douch bags are pissed. Just eat it, OK!
It’s the kind of typical Liberal rhetoric that one hears a lot. Many Liberals seem to love the idea of diversity and feminism when the African-Americans and women are Democrats, but look at the kinds of racist and sexist remarks that have come from Liberals about Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. At some point it becomes hard to see how this love of diversity is anything more then partisan rhetoric, for a lot of Democrats and Liberals.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

Specifics please. What liberals and what remarks? Specifically.

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FORSAKEN original

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:53 AM

I don't think anyone is critisizing Palin for her gender. We're critisizing the McCain campaign for his fairly transparent strategy.

Especially since it looks like this was less McCain's choice, and more Rove's. If it was who McCain wanted at his side, it'd be one thing. But if it's Rove doing what he does - then yes, critisism is valid.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 8:54 AM

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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Originally posted by whozit:
What's the matter? You people think girls are icky and have coodies or somthing? McCain made the perfect choice and now you douch bags are pissed. Just eat it, OK!
It’s the kind of typical Liberal rhetoric that one hears a lot. Many Liberals seem to love the idea of diversity and feminism when the African-Americans and women are Democrats, but look at the kinds of racist and sexist remarks that have come from Liberals about Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. At some point it becomes hard to see how this love of diversity is anything more then partisan rhetoric, for a lot of Democrats and Liberals.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

Specifics please. What liberals and what remarks? Specifically.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

You are asking for specifics from a member of the talking point brigade.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:03 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Okay, since you loveable rogues can't answer a simple question, I'll do it for ya:

If the dems hadn't already nominated an African American, and if Hillary hadn't already pulled in 18 million votes, would this virtually unknown, 1 and a half year (not even a full term!) governor be getting the nod?

Not on your life. And you know it.

There are countless Republicans with better credentials than Palin--some of them even got some votes (you know, those little things democratic societies use from time to time?) for President in the primaries. But no, Palin trumps 'em all in...in...well, I'm sure they'll dig up (or is that drill up?) something!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

Hillary was thrown under the bus. EAT IT!

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:23 AM

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It’s the kind of typical Liberal rhetoric that one hears a lot. Many Liberals seem to love the idea of diversity and feminism when the African-Americans and women are Democrats, but look at the kinds of racist and sexist remarks that have come from Liberals about Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice

Such as?

BTW, you forgot Clarence Thomas.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:25 AM

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Specifics please. What liberals and what remarks? Specifically.

There are cartoons of Condaleeza Rice being portrayed as a buffoon with racial imagery, Collin Powell has been called a “house slave,” and compared to a chimp on an anti-war poster. It happens. And you can see it on this board, if you pay attention. Not every Liberal cares about diversity as much as they claim, especially when it comes to the diversity of ideas. Obama is a courageous trend setter, but Colin Powell is a “house slave.” Hillary is the right person for the VP, but Palin is a “stunt.” For some, equality depends on what side of the aisle you sit on.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:25 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Ah, one of my adoring fans! I knew you couldn't stay away! Oh yes, yes, I'm being so very sexist! Oh, grumble, grumble, how can I counter your righteous attack? Um...um...WWRD (What would Rove do?)

Oh, I know!

Ahem, ahem. Lemme just puff out my chest here and put on my scowly face: Oh, BDM, how could you stoop so low! Playing the GENDER CARD! I am indeed shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

There.

How was that?

Cheap, self-serving theatrics if you ask me. And who played the gender card first?

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Oh, and um, yeah: she is not the best candidate, only a way to get Hillary voters. Pure stunt casting. Just another corrupt political appointment from the folks who do it best!

In your not so humble opinion, SHCavalier

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Someone up in the thread asked a good question or two:
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If the dems hadn't already nominated an African American, and if Hillary hadn't already pulled in 18 million votes, would this 2 year (not even a full term!) governor be getting the nod? If there were any doubt that the GOP has lost all respect for our democracy, this should remove it.
Well said!

Perhaps the Dems only nominated Obama because of his skin color and almost Hilary because of her female parts. You know, either way it's no "rich old guy". They get a pass because they thought of it first or is there something more nefarious going on under the surface here? Why not reserve judgement until after you learn more about Palin. Maybe she is the right pick for the potential job. Wasn't that what everybody was supposed to do with Obama?
Let's forget anything they may or may not bring to the table when we can focus on much more mundane things such as gender and race or shady politics.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:36 AM

Um, BDM, you seem to be confused about the difference between being nominated and being appointed. Obama was actually...wait for it...voted in. Palin was merely appointed. How exactly did she earn her place on the ticket?

And Jeez Marie, work on your funny-bone, dude!

HKCavalier

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:39 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Um, BDM, you seem to be confused about the difference between being nominated and being appointed. Obama was actually...wait for it...voted in. Palin was merely appointed. How exactly did she earn her place on the ticket?

And Jeez Marie, work on your funny-bone, dude!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

She had sex with McCain, then he put her on the ticket.......EAT IT!

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:39 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Obama is a courageous trend setter, but Colin Powell is a “house slave.”

That prolly has to do more with the quality of their ideas than the color of their skin. Poor Colin Powell quit in shame after he realized he'd been hoodwinked by the WH. He prolly still regrets the day when he made an *ss of himself before the whole world.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:40 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Hillary is the right person for the VP, but Palin is a “stunt.” For some, equality depends on what side of the aisle you sit on.

I should know better than to reply to you Finn, but I can't pass this one. How in the world can you place Sarah Palin on a par with Hillary Clinton?

HKCavalier

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:42 AM

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Um, BDM, you seem to be confused about the difference between being nominated and being appointed. Obama was actually...wait for it...voted in. Palin was merely appointed. How exactly did she earn her place on the ticket?

So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:44 AM

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McCain picked Palin? That's Hot! She's the Paris Hiltony of ALL the politicos.

Think he'll leave his wife for her?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:45 AM

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So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?

Democrats who voted in something called "the primaries". You might have heard of them?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:48 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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I should know better than to reply to you Finn, but I can't pass this one. How in the world can you place Sarah Palin on a par with Hillary Clinton?

Because HE can't see past their gender or color to actually evaluate their exeprience and objectives. Which is why he can't wrap his brain around the fact that Colin Powel is criticized but Obama is not.

Don't expect reason from Finn. He doesn't use it much, himself.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:49 AM

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So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?
Democrats who voted in something called "the primaries". You might have heard of them?

Not what I'm asking, think before the primaries. Who "voted" Obama to place his name in the running for the Dems?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:50 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Um, BDM, you seem to be confused about the difference between being nominated and being appointed. Obama was actually...wait for it...voted in. Palin was merely appointed. How exactly did she earn her place on the ticket?

So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?

Oh, fer cryin' out-loud! You have that much contempt for our democratic process, BDM? There were 10 legitimate candidates running for the nomination and Obama won. What the heck are you talking about?

And just so you know: if you hand me another one of these nonsensical quips of yours, I won't bother replying.

HKCavalier

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:52 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?
Democrats who voted in something called "the primaries". You might have heard of them?

Not what I'm asking, think before the primaries. Who "voted" Obama to place his name in the running for the Dems?

What a stupid question. The same can be asked of every candidate in the Primaries - for both parties.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:56 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Hillary is the right person for the VP, but Palin is a “stunt.” For some, equality depends on what side of the aisle you sit on.
I should know better than to reply to you Finn, but I can't pass this one. How in the world can you place Sarah Palin on a par with Hillary Clinton?

Palin has had two years of executive experience in a leadership role of state bordered completely by foreign nations. The closest thing Hillary has ever been to an executive position is first lady. Palin made a reputation for demanding honesty and transparency even within her own party. Clinton made a reputation for dishonesty with dubious associations such as Whitewater. You’re right - when examined more closely, Hillary is not on par with Palin.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 9:56 AM

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Not what I'm asking, think before the primaries. Who "voted" Obama to place his name in the running for the Dems?

you declare yourself. This is how, step by step. Do us a favor and educate yourself
How to Become US President: A Step-by-Step Guide
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3. Declare Candidacy and File Applications with Federal Election Commission

The Federal Election Commission (FEC), created by Congress to administer and enforce the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) - the statute that governs the financing of federal elections define the process of registering a candidacy for President in the following manner:

"If you are running for the US House, Senate or the Presidency, you must register with the FEC once you (or persons acting on your behalf) receive contributions or make expenditures in excess of $5,000. Within 15 days of reaching that $5,000 threshold, you must file a Statement of Candidacy authorizing a principal campaign committee to raise and spend funds on your behalf. Within 10 days of that filing, your principal campaign committee must submit a Statement of Organization. Your campaign will thereafter report its receipts and disbursements on a regular basis."

www.2008electionprocon.org/howtopresident.htm#declare

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:04 AM

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What a stupid question. The same can be asked of every candidate in the Primaries - for both parties.

Palin was picked by Republican insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Hilary voters.
Obama was picked by Democratic insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Bush voters. When the Dems do it, it's smart politicking. When the Repubs do it, it's slimy politicking.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:07 AM

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And just so you know: if you hand me another one of these nonsensical quips of yours, I won't bother replying.

Do I care, am I caring now?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:08 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Obama won the vote. I guess in democracies that's how the 'insiders' - mostly democrats voting in the primaries - 'pick' the nominee.

What a strange, evil concept.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:10 AM

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Palin has had two years of executive experience in a leadership role of state bordered completely by foreign nations.

I smell a talking point! Shoot, boys, she's the Governor of Alaska and you know what that means! She's gone toe to toe with the Rooskies! AND...not to mention...

the Canadians!

HKCavalier

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Obama won the vote. I guess in democracies that's how the 'insiders' - mostly democrats voting in the primaries - 'pick' the nominee.

What a strange, evil concept.

I'm talking before the primaries, do try to keep up.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:16 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

It would be easier to understand you if you used English better. Or thought better. Or were smarter.

"Palin was picked by Republican insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Hilary voters.
Obama was picked by Democratic insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Bush voters. When the Dems do it, it's smart politicking. When the Repubs do it, it's slimy politicking."

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:24 AM

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It would be easier to understand you if you used English better. Or thought better. Or were smarter.

Thanks for that Rue. Oh by the way, do you have anything topical to say or have you reverted to trolling already?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:29 AM

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I didn’t say anything bad about Biden. And while many people may have criticized Biden, it wasn’t for the color of his skin or his gender.

No, if I recall correctly, it was for the color of his teeth...

Mike

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:33 AM

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For some, equality depends on what side of the aisle you sit on.

Yes, for some... like those who call John McCane a "war hero" - but who denigrated John Kerry's service to his country and wore their precious little "purple heart band-aids" at the last Republican convention, and who supported the Swift-Boat bunch.

Yeah, it seems SOME people really do differentiate between which side of the aisle you sit on as to your "equality", whether it be equality of gender, equality of service, or equality of race.

Some people...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:36 AM

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What a stupid question. The same can be asked of every candidate in the Primaries - for both parties.

Palin was picked by Republican insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Hilary voters.
Obama was picked by Democratic insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Bush voters. When the Dems do it, it's smart politicking. When the Repubs do it, it's slimy politicking.

Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? I don't think the selection of either has been "smart" or "slimy" politiking. Just plain regualr politicking.

Palin - Selected by Rep insiders, yes.

Obama - Voted in as candidate by citizens.

You are talking about two entirely different situations.

As far as "before the primary" - he threw his hat in the ring. Same as McCain - thus my statement about it applying to all candidates.

I could see your point working if you were comparing Palin and Biden, as he was selected as well.

Or, if you were comparing McCain to Obama, as both were elected by the citizens of their party, to be their presidential candidate.

But you are not making either point, so I have to ask, when was your last stroke?

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Friday, August 29, 2008 10:43 AM

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For some, equality depends on what side of the aisle you sit on.

Yes, for some... like those who call John McCane a "war hero" - but who denigrated John Kerry's service to his country and wore their precious little "purple heart band-aids" at the last Republican convention, and who supported the Swift-Boat bunch.

Yeah, it seems SOME people really do differentiate between which side of the aisle you sit on as to your "equality", whether it be equality of gender, equality of service, or equality of race.

Except that two people can serve in the military and not justifiably be viewed equal for that service. While I never denigrated Kerry’s service in Vietnam, it does not in any way even come close to McCain’s service, because the two levels of sacrifice are so disproportionate. BUT there’s no way to make that qualification concerning race or gender. In other words, no one has ever claimed that two individuals are equal on service alone, but the claim is often made that race and gender should be viewed without qualification. It’s not the same thing.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:02 AM

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Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? I don't think the selection of either has been "smart" or "slimy" politiking. Just plain regualr politicking.

Palin - Selected by Rep insiders, yes.

Obama - Voted in as candidate by citizens.

You are talking about two entirely different situations.

As far as "before the primary" - he threw his hat in the ring. Same as McCain - thus my statement about it applying to all candidates.

I could see your point working if you were comparing Palin and Biden, as he was selected as well.

Or, if you were comparing McCain to Obama, as both were elected by the citizens of their party, to be their presidential candidate.

But you are not making either point, so I have to ask, when was your last stroke?

Let me make myself clearer as it seems like you are not understanding my point and are too shy to ask for clarification.
Obama was not voted by anyone to run for President. Perhaps some Dem insiders thought he would make a good candidate and convinced him to run. The fact that he was voted in by the people in the primaries is not my point at all.
Palin was judged by some Repub insiders as being the best choice as McCain's running mate. Unless I'm mistaken, she is not the Vice-President yet and will not be unless a majority of Americans vote for McCain. Now why, do you suppose, the Dem's can pick a candidate they think will bring in a lot of votes and that is considered smart. When the Repub's bring in a candidate they think will bring in a lot of votes it's somehow slimy and underhanded?

Is my point any clearer to you now or will I have to break out the crayons.

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Friday, August 29, 2008 11:26 AM