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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Wow. Pander Bear does it again! Hillary Clinton earned every one of her 18 million votes while McCain appoints a woman to cash in on the few disaffected Hillary supporters who would rather see a woman--any woman--in office than to have women's rights upheld. The Republicans are truly desperate if they'll stoop to stunt casting the VP. Cynical, cynical, cynical.

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Wow. Pander Bear does it again! Hillary Clinton earned every one of her 18 million votes while McCain appoints a woman to cash in on the few disaffected Hillary supporters who would rather see a woman--any woman--in office than to have women's rights upheld. The Republicans are truly desperate if they'll stoop to stunt casting the VP. Cynical, cynical, cynical.

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So you are saying that she will not do a good job. She is not the best candidate, only a way to get Hilary voters? Are you being a little sexist in your attempt to smear all that is Republican?

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If the dems hadn't already nominated an African American, and if Hillary hadn't already pulled in 18 million votes, would this 2 year (not even a full term!) governor be getting the nod? If there were any doubt that the GOP has lost all respect for our democracy, this should remove it.

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Originally posted by whozit:
What's the matter? You people think girls are icky and have coodies or somthing? McCain made the perfect choice and now you douch bags are pissed. Just eat it, OK!

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
The guy can't spell "cooties!" lmao

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Get over your righteous indignation. Yeah, Dems are taking potshots at her - but I'm sure all you conservatives were welling up with wonderfull things to say about Biden.

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What's the matter? You people think girls are icky and have coodies or somthing? McCain made the perfect choice and now you douch bags are pissed. Just eat it, OK!

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It’s the kind of typical Liberal rhetoric that one hears a lot. Many Liberals seem to love the idea of diversity and feminism when the African-Americans and women are Democrats, but look at the kinds of racist and sexist remarks that have come from Liberals about Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. At some point it becomes hard to see how this love of diversity is anything more then partisan rhetoric, for a lot of Democrats and Liberals.

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

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What's the matter? You people think girls are icky and have coodies or somthing? McCain made the perfect choice and now you douch bags are pissed. Just eat it, OK!

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It’s the kind of typical Liberal rhetoric that one hears a lot. Many Liberals seem to love the idea of diversity and feminism when the African-Americans and women are Democrats, but look at the kinds of racist and sexist remarks that have come from Liberals about Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. At some point it becomes hard to see how this love of diversity is anything more then partisan rhetoric, for a lot of Democrats and Liberals.

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Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Specifics please. What liberals and what remarks? Specifically.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Okay, since you loveable rogues can't answer a simple question, I'll do it for ya:

If the dems hadn't already nominated an African American, and if Hillary hadn't already pulled in 18 million votes, would this virtually unknown, 1 and a half year (not even a full term!) governor be getting the nod?

Not on your life. And you know it.

There are countless Republicans with better credentials than Palin--some of them even got some votes (you know, those little things democratic societies use from time to time?) for President in the primaries. But no, Palin trumps 'em all in...in...well, I'm sure they'll dig up (or is that drill up?) something!


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It’s the kind of typical Liberal rhetoric that one hears a lot. Many Liberals seem to love the idea of diversity and feminism when the African-Americans and women are Democrats, but look at the kinds of racist and sexist remarks that have come from Liberals about Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice

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Specifics please. What liberals and what remarks? Specifically.

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Ah, one of my adoring fans! I knew you couldn't stay away! Oh yes, yes, I'm being so very sexist! Oh, grumble, grumble, how can I counter your righteous attack? Um...um...WWRD (What would Rove do?)

Oh, I know!

Ahem, ahem. Lemme just puff out my chest here and put on my scowly face: Oh, BDM, how could you stoop so low! Playing the GENDER CARD! I am indeed shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

There.

How was that?

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Oh, and um, yeah: she is not the best candidate, only a way to get Hillary voters. Pure stunt casting. Just another corrupt political appointment from the folks who do it best!

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Someone up in the thread asked a good question or two:

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If the dems hadn't already nominated an African American, and if Hillary hadn't already pulled in 18 million votes, would this 2 year (not even a full term!) governor be getting the nod? If there were any doubt that the GOP has lost all respect for our democracy, this should remove it.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Um, BDM, you seem to be confused about the difference between being nominated and being appointed. Obama was actually...wait for it...voted in. Palin was merely appointed. How exactly did she earn her place on the ticket?

And Jeez Marie, work on your funny-bone, dude!

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Hillary is the right person for the VP, but Palin is a “stunt.” For some, equality depends on what side of the aisle you sit on.

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Um, BDM, you seem to be confused about the difference between being nominated and being appointed. Obama was actually...wait for it...voted in. Palin was merely appointed. How exactly did she earn her place on the ticket?

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So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?

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I should know better than to reply to you Finn, but I can't pass this one. How in the world can you place Sarah Palin on a par with Hillary Clinton?

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So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?

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Democrats who voted in something called "the primaries". You might have heard of them?

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Um, BDM, you seem to be confused about the difference between being nominated and being appointed. Obama was actually...wait for it...voted in. Palin was merely appointed. How exactly did she earn her place on the ticket?

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So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?

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So who "voted" Obama to run for the Dems in the Presidential race?

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Not what I'm asking, think before the primaries. Who "voted" Obama to place his name in the running for the Dems?

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Hillary is the right person for the VP, but Palin is a “stunt.” For some, equality depends on what side of the aisle you sit on.

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I should know better than to reply to you Finn, but I can't pass this one. How in the world can you place Sarah Palin on a par with Hillary Clinton?

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Not what I'm asking, think before the primaries. Who "voted" Obama to place his name in the running for the Dems?

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What a stupid question. The same can be asked of every candidate in the Primaries - for both parties.

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And just so you know: if you hand me another one of these nonsensical quips of yours, I won't bother replying.

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Palin has had two years of executive experience in a leadership role of state bordered completely by foreign nations.

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Obama won the vote. I guess in democracies that's how the 'insiders' - mostly democrats voting in the primaries - 'pick' the nominee.

What a strange, evil concept.

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It would be easier to understand you if you used English better. Or thought better. Or were smarter.

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I didn’t say anything bad about Biden. And while many people may have criticized Biden, it wasn’t for the color of his skin or his gender.

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What a stupid question. The same can be asked of every candidate in the Primaries - for both parties.

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Palin was picked by Republican insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Hilary voters.
Obama was picked by Democratic insiders as a way of cashing in on disenfranchised Bush voters. When the Dems do it, it's smart politicking. When the Repubs do it, it's slimy politicking.

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Yes, for some... like those who call John McCane a "war hero" - but who denigrated John Kerry's service to his country and wore their precious little "purple heart band-aids" at the last Republican convention, and who supported the Swift-Boat bunch.

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Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? I don't think the selection of either has been "smart" or "slimy" politiking. Just plain regualr politicking.

Palin - Selected by Rep insiders, yes.

Obama - Voted in as candidate by citizens.


You are talking about two entirely different situations.

As far as "before the primary" - he threw his hat in the ring. Same as McCain - thus my statement about it applying to all candidates.

I could see your point working if you were comparing Palin and Biden, as he was selected as well.

Or, if you were comparing McCain to Obama, as both were elected by the citizens of their party, to be their presidential candidate.

But you are not making either point, so I have to ask, when was your last stroke?

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Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? I don't think the selection of either has been "smart" or "slimy" politiking. Just plain regualr politicking.

Palin - Selected by Rep insiders, yes.

Obama - Voted in as candidate by citizens.


You are talking about two entirely different situations.

As far as "before the primary" - he threw his hat in the ring. Same as McCain - thus my statement about it applying to all candidates.

I could see your point working if you were comparing Palin and Biden, as he was selected as well.

Or, if you were comparing McCain to Obama, as both were elected by the citizens of their party, to be their presidential candidate.

But you are not making either point, so I have to ask, when was your last stroke?

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Let me make myself clearer as it seems like you are not understanding my point and are too shy to ask for clarification.
Obama was not voted by anyone to run for President. Perhaps some Dem insiders thought he would make a good candidate and convinced him to run. The fact that he was voted in by the people in the primaries is not my point at all.
Palin was judged by some Repub insiders as being the best choice as McCain's running mate. Unless I'm mistaken, she is not the Vice-President yet and will not be unless a majority of Americans vote for McCain. Now why, do you suppose, the Dem's can pick a candidate they think will bring in a lot of votes and that is considered smart. When the Repub's bring in a candidate they think will bring in a lot of votes it's somehow slimy and underhanded?

Is my point any clearer to you now or will I have to break out the crayons.

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