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RNC protestors charged as terrorists

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:06 AM

PIRATENEWS

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What do you expect, when the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act was written by a resident of Communist Vietnam?

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Prosecutors in Ramsey County, Minn., have formally charged eight alleged leaders of the RNC Welcoming Committee -- one of the groups organizing protests at the GOP convention in St. Paul -- with terrorism-related charges.

Monica Bicking, Eryn Trimmer, Luce Guillen Givins, Erik Oseland, Nathanael Secor, Robert Czernik, Garrett Fitzgerald and Max Spector, face up to 7 1/2 years in prison under the terrorism enhancement charge, which allows for a 50% increase in the maximum penalty they could face.

It appears to be the first time criminal charges have been filed under the 2002 Minnesota version of the federal Patriot Act.

The RNC Welcoming Committee is a self-described anarchist group that has worked for months planning disruptions at the convention. Police blamed the group for sparking violence during Monday's antiwar protest in St. Paul. Although most of the estimated 10,000 people at the march were peaceful, police say a splinter group of about 200 people harassed delegates, smashed windows and started at least one fire.

Police have arrested nearly 300 people during the confrontations this week, according to the Associated Press. Huffstutter reported on the protests for the blog Tuesday. And this morning, we told the story of journalist Amy Goodman's arrest at Monday's march.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/rnc-protesters.html




RNC demonstrators and AP journalists get Gitmoed

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:17 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by piratenews:
What do you expect, when the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act was written by a resident of Communist Vietnam?


Really? A resident? Do you have that person's address? Is it Ho Chi Minh? Are you saying a Vietnamese Ho wrote the Patriot Act?

You so crazy!

Oh, and the fellas using violence to disrupt the convention and further their political cause...they're kinda being terrorists. If they don't wanna be prosecuted as terrorists...they might want to knock off the violence. Just look at the thousands of folks around you...singing, dancing, making funny Bush limericks, waving signs and generally protesting all silly like...but peaceful. You don't see them being arrested.

H

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:05 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Commie Vietnamese citizen Viet Dinh wrote the U.S.A.P.A.T. R.I.O.T. Act. DOH!

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Due to the massive opposition by cities, counties and states to the "Patriot Act," Attorney General John Ashcroft is now sending forth his emissary, former U.S. assistant attorney general, Professor Viet Dinh, who authored the controversial legislation to conduct damange control in selected cities. To date, 282 communities in 39 states and four state-wide resolutions, representing about 49.3 million people have stepped forward to oppose the Patriot Act, either in whole or specific parts.

Forty-five days after September 11, 2001 and with no debate, Congress passed the USA Patriot Act. According to Congressman Ron Paul {R-TX}, members of Congress were not given copies of the bill to review before the vote, "It's my understanding the bill wasn't printed before the vote — at least I couldn't get it. They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote."

Opponents of this law cite serious unconstitutional provisions, i.e., checks on law enforcement are nullified. As one example, without a warrant or probable cause, the FBI now has the power to access your very private medical records, student records, library records and can strong arm anyone from letting you know your rights have been violated. The constitutionally guaranteed right for full protection under the Fourth Amendment against unreasonable search and seizure was completely abrogated by this law.

Ashcroft's point man for this road tour is Professor Viet Dinh, currently a professor of law at Georgetown University and a term member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Dinh escaped from Viet Nam in 1978 at age 10. Now, at age 34, Dinh is quite a story: boat refugee from Vietnam, Oregon fruit picker, Orange County burger-flipper, Harvard Law School graduate, U.S. Supreme Court clerk, Georgetown Law School professor and lawyer to a high-powered congressional committee.

www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/facinfo/tab_faculty.cfm?Status=Faculty&
ID=204


www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive8.htm


TV news talking head Amy Goodman and 2 AP cameramen arrested by Martial Law at RNC Non-Con. Democracy Now is broadcast on 800 stations.
Video: www.democracynow.org

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:29 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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If they don't wanna be prosecuted as terrorists...they might want to knock off the violence.

Yeah, funny that, how the actual instigators and actors DOING this shit are suddenly nowhere to be found (unless you check the local PD) when the boom comes down and people get in trouble for it...

You know, like THESE guys.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/23/police-montebello.html



Or maybe like the so-called "Anarchists" at the Seattle WTO conference in 99, who gave themselves away by communicating with their military and police handlers on an unsecured channel, perhaps ?

Quick hint for you, from both cases - do NOT have your agents provocateur wearing police-issue boots, and maybe they wouldn't be caught out so quick.
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Just look at the thousands of folks around you...singing, dancing, making funny Bush limericks, waving signs and generally protesting all silly like...but peaceful. You don't see them being arrested.

Bullshit you don't.

The fuckers arrested journalists, and roughed em up pretty damn publicly, blatantly, and needlessly - they do THAT shit on camera, you can imagine what goes on when no pesky newsies are around.

As for the rest - remember, they admittedly planted agents in protest groups, most of whom are the actual parties responsible for this shit, and then by throwing some halfass conspiracy charge, round up and arrest entire groups based on evidence their agent planted, or deeds the agent carried out.

Is it just me, or is anyone else gettin heartily sick of Police/Alphabet Agencies CREATING crimes for the sole sake of busting them ?


And I dunno about no china - but that bastard Chertoff is yet another of the dual-citizenship, PNAC-NeoCon-Likud crowd that's been the source of so much misery, and pressured Popular Mechanics to run a disinfo piece written by his cousin, blowing any credibility PM might have had on the issue.

Not to mention the sumbitch had that Patriot Act in handy ready to go all formated and whatnot, oh so very quickly - that combined with his familial and professional links to the folk who made all those interesting stock trades the day the towers collapsed for reasons inexplicable to anyone with a basic understanding of chemistry or engineers, hmm...

Almost makes you wonder, doesn't it ?


I note that another incident didn't make the news, although it is gratifying when folks take wise advice.

I wonder how long those cops waited with their informant standing there like an idiot before they figured out no one was coming, too bad it didn't piss down rain on em besides.

Be REAL glad they took Gus's advice... instead of mine.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:52 AM

JONGSSTRAW


The animal-idiots on the streets vandalizing property and attacking police & citizens are indeed terrorists. They should all be sent to Guantanamo, and they could stay there and rot for all I care.

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:12 AM

WASHNWEAR


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The animal-idiots on the streets vandalizing property and attacking police & citizens are indeed terrorists. They should all be sent to Guantanamo, and they could stay there and rot for all I care.



Funny - I feel much the same way about most all the cast and crew of the soon-to-be outgoing administration...and judging by the way some folk are drinking down the new Palin-flavored Kool-Aid, the possibly-soon-to-be INcoming administration as well.


It was like being campaigned at by my 5th-grade English teacher when we got here!

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:37 AM

RUE

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Have you learned nothing from history ? Insurrection is the American path to freedom.

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:40 AM

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Palinmania is crafted to divert attention from real news:

FTP Rage Against the Machine concert cancelled by martial law at RNC Non-Con, causing a GUARANTEED riot:
www.prisonplanet.com/protesters-storm-rnc-after-cops-shut-down-%e2%80%
98rage%e2%80%99-concert.html


FTP by Rage Against the Machine:




When a US citizen does this in USA to protest Bush, nobody cares?
www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/8/181521/850

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:40 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by rue:
Jong

Have you learned nothing from history ? Insurrection is the American path to freedom.


It was a path to freedom 233 years ago from a tyranical foreign power. In case you haven't noticed, we've had our own country since then. We don't need violent youths harrassing convention goers and Police on the streets. How you can continually justify violence and lawlessness against American citizens & taxpayers is beyond my ability to comprehend. I know that you and your smug elitist ilk are soiling your Pampers over the speeches last night. I know you heard things that have you really doubting the wisdom of Obama's nomination over Hillary...well too f'ing bad! You internet bunnies and naive freaks wanted him, well you got him. By the way, who fucking vetted Obama? Huh? George Soros maybe? Or was it Oprah & Ludacris? Oh I know....it was terrorist bomber, Obama's pal Bill Ayers. Isn't that special!

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:49 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I'd honestly be happy if we all could focus on the issues we agree and disagree on, rather than demeaning the people we disagree with.

I'd even be willing to give up my jabs at Piratenews if we could also rid ourselves of phrases like:

"you and your smug elitist ilk are soiling your Pampers over the speeches last night."

and

"You internet bunnies and naive freaks wanted him"

and I'd consider abandoning references to 'gay nazi jews who worship moloch' a plus.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:03 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Memo to Anthony,

No one nominated or elected you to tell anyone here how or what to post. Dong ma?

We've got anarchist and liberal loons here outnumbering traditionalists by about 10 to 1, and you're lecturing me...oh pshaw!

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:16 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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How you can continually justify violence and lawlessness against American citizens & taxpayers is beyond my ability to comprehend.


Wasn't it you who said the protesters could go rot in Guantanamo, and you'd be happy? You may not realize it, but it is YOU who is trying to "justify violence and lawlessness against American citizens and taxpayers" - by the very police agencies who are supposed to PROTECT AND SERVE THEM!

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I know that you and your smug elitist ilk are soiling your Pampers over the speeches last night.


Only in America can one party try to actually campaign on the idea that "smart people are bad; dumb people are gooder." You've been doing it for eight years; why stop now?

Soiling my Pampers? Sorry, I'm not John McCane. Or Palin's retarded daughter. Or her other daughter's baby. All the Pampers-wearers are on your side of the aisle, zippy.

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I know you heard things that have you really doubting the wisdom of Obama's nomination over Hillary...well too f'ing bad!


Really? You "know" that? How can you "know" something which is so categorically not true? Oh, yeah - because you're an idiot. I almost forgot.

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You internet bunnies and naive freaks wanted him, well you got him.


What's an internet bunny? Do they live at the Internet Mansion, and swim in the grotto with Hef?



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:23 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Memo to Anthony,

No one nominated or elected you to tell anyone here how or what to post. Dong ma?

We've got anarchist and liberal loons here outnumbering traditionalists by about 10 to 1, and you're lecturing me...oh pshaw!



Memo to Jongs:

As for "traditionalists" - I don't think we have any of those here. We have some progressives, and some liberals, and some hardcore right-wing NeoCon Kool-Aid drinkers.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:54 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by rue:
Have you learned nothing from history ? Insurrection is the American path to freedom.


Actually transportation has always been the American path to freedom. Ships, riverboats, covered wagons, planes, trains, automobiles. Perhaps if these young folks were to take their energy and invent the flying car or something then they'd stand a better chance of being taken seriously instead of just taken into custody.

H

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:58 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Have you learned nothing from history ? Insurrection is the American path to freedom.


Actually transportation has always been the American path to freedom. Ships, riverboats, covered wagons, planes, trains, automobiles. Perhaps if these young folks were to take their energy and invent the flying car or something then they'd stand a better chance of being taken seriously instead of just taken into custody.

H



So you're saying we ran away from the British in the Revolution? It's your position that our greatest American strength is cowardice?

Man, you Republicans have some funny notions. Why do you hate America so much?



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:10 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Wasn't it you who said the protesters could go rot in Guantanamo, and you'd be happy? You may not realize it, but it is YOU who is trying to "justify violence and lawlessness against American citizens and taxpayers" - by the very police agencies who are supposed to PROTECT AND SERVE THEM!


You make a good point. Seems we have three interests here.

First, the protestor breaking out a store's windows in a symbolic act of civil disobedience.

Two, the store owner who just wants to operate his business in a very difficult and challenging world.

Third, the police who are charged with enforcing the law.

Now, if the police arrest the protestor they are oppressing his rights and all that. If they respect his rights then they are denying the store owner the right to be secure in his property and to be protected from harm.

I use this example because I saw video of a fella breaking out a store window for no apparent reason.

What then is the solution? Perhaps the store owner should gun down the protestor. Then the other protestors should arm themselves against the store owners. Death, mayhem, etc. But at least the dead, homeless, and jobless and their families can take comfort in the government that stands aside and lets it all happen.

OR, the police can enforce reasonable and Constitutional time, place, and manner restrictions on the exercise of free speech AND enforce simple public order as needed.

Shouting "this is what Democracy looks like" while trying to prevent others from going about their business and exercising their rights to assemble and speak is not about freedom or Democracy. Its tyranny of the mob and should not be tolerated.

The real problem here is not the police OR the protestors or the storeowner. Its the select few violent terrorists who are ruining it for everyone. If all anybody was going to do would be to march around a bit, shout, sing, wave signs and such while respecting the rights and property of others then we'd be ok. But if we took away the police and barracades then they'd march on the hall and disrupt everthing in order to prevent the free exercise of their fellow citizens rights...and that is just plain wrong. The real enemy here is the evil terrorists the protestors harbor in their midst and the lack of control or respect the protestors have for others.

H

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:12 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So you're saying we ran away from the British in the Revolution? It's your position that our greatest American strength is cowardice?


We ran away from the British for a hundred years BEFORE the Revolution. The War just formalized the whole business.

Oh, and it never stopped. People have been moving to America and through America since America was America.

H

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 8:21 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So you're saying we ran away from the British in the Revolution? It's your position that our greatest American strength is cowardice?


We ran away from the British for a hundred years BEFORE the Revolution. The War just formalized the whole business.

Oh, and it never stopped. People have been moving to America and through America since America was America.

H


I give you credit Hero, you do try. This gal has drunk so much kool-aid to ease her Bush Derangement psychosis, she's grown jug handles.

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:20 AM

WHOZIT


OH NO!! They hit policemen, distoryed things that were'nt there's, and now they're going to send them away for a long time? You people want to know what I think.........AT LAST, DRAMA!!!

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:51 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Fine, you want em charged, go right down to the minnesota local PD those undercovers are from and fucking charge them.

Lemme know how that works out for ya, ehe ?

Really, in all honesty SHOULDN'T they be charged as well, given that there were not only part of the "criminal conspiracy" but often the initiator and primary motivator ?

So why should they get a pass ?

Start busting THOSE assholes, end the hypocrisy, and help rein in the behavior of this criminal gang in blue, why don't you ?

As for transportation, to hell with a flying car, I want a space ship, and I want the hell OFF this rock, somewhere far far away where I'll never have to live under the heel of no one never again.

While I wouldn't exactly call Mal a Libertarian or Anarchist, I fully understand his desire to live outside a society that so profoundly disgusts him.

*Via Stellarium, indeed.

-Frem

*This reference is from David Drakes, Hammers Slammers novels - a religous movement mentioned as prime actors in the initial colonization waves from earth.

"But the Church of the Lord's Universe had a mission beyond the entertainment of its congregations for an hour every Sunday. The priests and laity alike preached the salvation of Mankind through His works. To Universalists, however, the means and the end were both secular. The Church taught that Man must reach the stars and there, among infinite expanses, find room to live in peace. This temporal paradise was one which could be grasped by all men. It did not detract from spiritual hopes; but heaven is in the hands of the Lord, while the stars were not beyond Man's own strivings."

"Thus, when Man did reach the stars, the ships were crewed in large measure by Universalists. Those who had prayed for, worked for, and even sworn by the Way of the Stars, Via Stellarum, were certain to be among the first treading it. On Earth, the Church of the Lord's Universe had been a vocal minority; in the colonies spreading like a bacterial culture through the galaxy, Universalists were frequently in the majority."

Extracts from The Tank Lords - available at the Baen Free Library.
http://www.baen.com/library/

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
[B How you can continually justify violence and lawlessness against American citizens & taxpayers is beyond my ability to comprehend. !



How YOU continually justify violence and lawlessness against the American citizens and taxpayers by the current administration is beyond MY ability to comprehend.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 12:07 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So you're saying we ran away from the British in the Revolution? It's your position that our greatest American strength is cowardice?


We ran away from the British for a hundred years BEFORE the Revolution. The War just formalized the whole business.

Oh, and it never stopped. People have been moving to America and through America since America was America.

H


I give you credit Hero, you do try. This gal has drunk so much kool-aid to ease her Bush Derangement psychosis, she's grown jug handles.



Jongs, do you need some Midol to help you with your "jug handles"? I had no idea you were a girl... 'Course, most of the time I can't even tell if you're trying to speak English, so that's part of it...



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:18 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important



Hello,

I remember when I was ten, one kid would do something wrong to another kid. When caught, he'd point at the other kid and say, "He started it!"

When I was older, I observed an adult pointing out a misdeed to a teenager. The teenager would respond with, "You're not my Dad," or "You're not the boss of me!"

When I became an adult, I thought things might evolve further. I thought that perhaps when someone was caught behaving badly, they might say, "You're right. I'm better than that."

Instead I got, "He started it!" added to "You're not the boss of me!"

And so I'd like to reply, "He may have started it, and I may not be the boss of you, but you ARE better than that."

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:51 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Anthony:

I agree, but like Hero says, it IS fun to poke 'em now and again!



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:07 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


It should read " Terrorist protesting the RNC are charged " .



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, September 5, 2008 1:32 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



In a previous life Morello (left) was scheduling secretary for Senator Alan Cranston

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Rage Guitarist Tom Morello: Government-Sponsored Terror "Embedded in the DNA" Of American Politics



"When the media speaks of terrorism it tends to be in the context of lone bandits from middle eastern countries when most of the terrorism that occurs in the world is government sponsored." Morello told Change reporters.

"Whether it's the Bush administration or the Putin administration, terror is not something that is unfamiliar to governments."

"It is nothing new," Morello continued, "From Gulf of Tonkin to the Maine, in the Spanish American war, it is something that is embedded, unfortunately, in the DNA of American politics."

www.infowars.net/articles/September2008/040908Morello.htm



Old fogey Ralph Nader had personally asked Rage Against the Machine to play FTP at his campaign rally...

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FTP Rage Against the Machine concert cancelled by martial law at RNC Non-Con, causing a GUARANTEED riot:
www.prisonplanet.com/protesters-storm-rnc-after-cops-shut-down-%e2%80%
98rage%e2%80%99-concert.html


FTP by Rage Against the Machine:




When a US citizen does this in USA to protest Bush, nobody cares?
www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/8/181521/850



Operation Northwoods
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
http://www.gtr5.com


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Friday, September 5, 2008 7:48 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Anthony ?
Mikey ?

The worst of it is that it doesn't STOP there.

Even on a NATIONAL scale that happens, and leads to the bloodshed of the folk of those nations when their leaders get into the elevated equivalent of a playground spat.

That's WHY I am so concerned about the social, emotional, and mental evolution of our species over the technological and physical.

In truth, there's surprisingly little development of those three aspects from pre-school to adulthood in most people, and little if any encouragement to do so, although on occasion religion can be a positive factor in respect to that development.

Come on, how many wars start with...
"HEY, that was MINE!"
"Well it's mine now!
"Give it back, or I'm taking it!"
"Like hell you will!"
(both)"MOMMY!" (The UN)


As a species, we need very badly to grow up.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, September 5, 2008 8:25 AM

FREMDFIRMA


I can't believe I missed that one...

Jongsstraw
Quote:

We've got anarchist and liberal loons here outnumbering traditionalists by about 10 to 1

Being the only actually out and out Anarchist here, are you saying that I have the strength of ten because my heart is pure ?

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Friday, September 5, 2008 1:20 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


Come on, how many wars start with...
"HEY, that was MINE!"
"Well it's mine now!
"Give it back, or I'm taking it!"
"Like hell you will!"
(both)"MOMMY!" (The UN)



Or, as Pink Floyd said on "The Final Cut" - "Oy! Get your filthy hands off my desert!"




Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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