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All I heard her talk about was a bunch of mush. Mumblemumblemumble oil pipilines through your back yard mumblemumblemumble my family, who I'm so proud of, is off-limits mumblemumblemumlbe...

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In other words, more of the same. Instead of McCane's POW rap, she just gives us the same tired "but my child has Down's Syndrome!" line.

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Oh, but the Enquirer (remember the guys who broke Edwards' affair?) is reporting that her husband's business partner tapped that ass. There's those Republican family values again!

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Kwicko - maybe we should give 'Hero' a break on this Palin thang. In a previous post he talked about trying to nail a newly-minted Iraq widow - at the funeral, no less. I bet Palin is the closest he's come to a woman (pun intended) in a long, looooong, time.

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At least Hero does not get personal.

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I watched her speech and thought there were only two ways it could go. She would either blow her one shot at history or else blow the roof off the building. I could not see how she could find any room to come in the middle...it was a win or lose moment for her.

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Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention

By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer
Wed Sep 3, 11:48 PM ET
ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples:

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."

THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

This above was a good read. Every speech should come complete with such a fact sheet rattled off by the newscasters immediately afterwards.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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You really, really need to pick your sides better, you know ?

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Well, all is forgiven then! You're okay with him being a liar, a cheat, a perjurer, a scumbag, just as long as he doesn't get personal, huh?

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By the way, have you ever actually READ any of his posts?

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BDN

You only criticize ONE side for the exact same thing the other side does, and which it does with great frequency. Lenses, much ? Or is it your natural sense of injustice ?

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You only criticize ONE side for the exact same thing the other side does, and which it does with great frequency. Lenses, much ? Or is it your natural sense of injustice ?

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It's your posts I find myself scrolling over more and more as you usually do not bring anything new to the table, IMHO.

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Yes, it's an important question you need to ask yourself.

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I don't think you can do it. You scroll over them, but somehow manage to respond to every single one...How's that workin' out for ya

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It's your posts I find myself scrolling over more and more as you usually do not bring anything new to the table, IMHO.

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Oh, so it IS personal. I thought that was a no-no in your world. Can't walk the talk, eh ?

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I don't think you can do it. You scroll over them, but somehow manage to respond to every single one...How's that workin' out for ya

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It's your posts I find myself scrolling over more and more as you usually do not bring anything new to the table, IMHO.

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I am a target voter for McCain.

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how is it you know anything about the faceless, nameless Poster known as Hero to make such accusations?

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Er... from his posts??? Where he bragged about egregious favoritism in his job as prosecutor?

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Ummm... Just checking here, but what "new" is it that you've brought to the table, Jongs? Let's see... Hate Obama - check. Democrats evil - check. Liberals hate America - check. Seems like you haven't had a useful contribution since about... oh, EVER sounds about right.

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In other words, more of the same. Instead of McCane's POW rap, she just gives us the same tired "but my child has Down's Syndrome!" line.

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She remains singularly unimpressive.

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Er... from his posts??? Where he bragged about egregious favoritism in his job as prosecutor?

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She was mayor of a dot on the map and governor of Milwaukee. (Er, I mean Alaska. Same population size so I get them mixed up.)

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