The Party's Over by Riverlove

My problem with Palin, other than that she does not have the credentials to be President, is that she is a hypocrite. She talks about "making the choice" to carry her son, yet wants to deprive other women of that ability.

As for foreign policy - she would not be involved in "fishing water talks" with Russia, that is State Department purview or perhaps Department of the Interior or some other Federal agency - not the Govenor of Alaska's.

Lets face it, she has limited "executive" experience, we have no proof of any degree or knowledge in any area and if she isn't guilty of wrongdoing in the ethics arena certainly has allowed the perception that she has - and that in itself is a problem.

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 2:00 PM

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The Second Amendment to the Costitution had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with sport hunting, skeet shooting or target practice. What it DID have to do with was whether or not individuals should be allowed to protect their home and community from invasion by arming themselves. This was due to the fact that historically in England arming oneself without express permission from the King was an act of treason.

Thank you, FMF.

I don't care for the NRA's mealymouthed soft-shoeing either, myself.

My affliation (watch PN crap a cinderblock) is actually with the JFPO, cause they know what *happens* once you hand them over.
http://www.jpfo.org/

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 2:06 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

My affliation (watch PN crap a cinderblock) is actually with the JFPO, cause they know what *happens* once you hand them over.
http://www.jpfo.org/

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

UM ok. Militant Jews are cool. But don't agree with them either

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 2:34 PM

HKCAVALIER

RE: the 2nd Amendment. It's always amazed me that so many people on both sides of the gun control argument seem to be ignorant of the Founders' intention. The discourse is completely ass-backwards. There are plenty of big pro-gun types that never want to see their precious government so much as criticized (terrorist!!!!), pro-gun types that love law enforcement so very much that the term "cop groupie" had to be introduced to the language.

On the other hand, there are plenty of anti-gun folks who are completely unaware of how the right to bear arms might safe-guard them from precisely the fascist take-over they fear most.

It's ironic, 'cause the most winning argument the authoritarian NRA types would have to get liberal's to sign on with the pro-gun folks is the one argument that might undermine the authoritarianism they so charish.

Only in America...

Makes sense though: no Public School is gonna teach its students that they should ready themselves to resist the government at a moment's notice.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 2:44 PM

I have no problem with people owning guns responsibly. I DO have a problem with people who have no idea what it is they are citing for the affirmation of their right to own guns.

cuzItsjuststupidisALL

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 3:00 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Seig Heil!

Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'
Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.
www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=037792

Molech requires child sacrifice at Jewish Bohemian Grove...

Jews sacrificing their kids to Molech in Jerusalem Israel

Jews and presidents on vacation at Bohemian Grove in California USA

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 4:36 PM

HKCAVALIER

Hey, PN, has anyone ever just asked you why the fascination with the Jews? I mean, I can totally understand your beef with authority, given your background, your distrust of power and all, but why the Jews? It's like blaming all the world's evil on Inuits or Palestinians. They're just a people, treated like crap for centuries, doing what they can to get by. Why hate Jewish people, PN? Without all the big pictures and URL's can you just tell me?

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 4:40 PM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
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Originally posted by swish:
I'm not out to attack Palin, I'm attacking the flaccid arguments being used to support this joke of a nomination. I want my country to be better than a battle of personalities, a bundle of lies, and leaders who will continue Bush's history of destroying what's good about America.

I won't deny that I don't like Palin much, and I'm not about to act like I do just to be polite. She's out to lead my country, to represent me and mine on the world stage. I damned well better speak up while I can!

Swish, I'll renege, and respond one more time. YOU simply tell me why Obama is more qualified for President than Palin would be, even though she's only running for VP. WHY IS SHE A JOKE, AND OBAMA ISN'T?

I'm still waiting to see someone give a decent response to your queston Riverlove. They can't do it without ignoring reality. I'll concede that Palin's experience level isn't what I'd like to see in a Presidential candidate, but if McCain can stay alive for a few years, I think she'll be up to speed. The problem for the Dem's is, their candidate who has almost no experience of any kind is going straight for the top job. Not only does he have a total lack of executive experience, his foreign policy experience is barely a match for Palin. This is one of the most brilliant things about having Palin on the ticket, every time anyone brings up her experience level it leads to a comparison between her and Obama. It's like they're just conceding that Obama's no match for McCain. The one positive for the Dems is that in picking Palin, McCain has somewhat conceded that foreign policy experience isn't essential. Though she's a good match for Obama, neither is anywhere near ready to be President today.

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 5:31 PM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
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Originally posted by swish:
I'm not out to attack Palin, I'm attacking the flaccid arguments being used to support this joke of a nomination. I want my country to be better than a battle of personalities, a bundle of lies, and leaders who will continue Bush's history of destroying what's good about America.

I won't deny that I don't like Palin much, and I'm not about to act like I do just to be polite. She's out to lead my country, to represent me and mine on the world stage. I damned well better speak up while I can!

Swish, I'll renege, and respond one more time. YOU simply tell me why Obama is more qualified for President than Palin would be, even though she's only running for VP. WHY IS SHE A JOKE, AND OBAMA ISN'T?

I'm still waiting to see someone give a decent response to your queston Riverlove. They can't do it without ignoring reality. I'll concede that Palin's experience level isn't what I'd like to see in a Presidential candidate, but if McCain can stay alive for a few years I think she'll be up to speed. The problem for the Dem's is, their candidate who has almost no experience of any kind is going straight for the top job. Not only does he have a total lack of executive experience, his foreign policy experience is barely a match for Palin. This is one of the most brilliant things about having Palin on the ticket, every time anyone brings up her experience level it leads to a comparison between her and Obama. It's like they're just conceding that Obama's no match for McCain. The one positive for the Dems is that in picking Palin, McCain has somewhat conceded that foreign policy experience isn't essential. Though she's a good match for Obama, neither is anywhere near ready to be President today.

oh bullshit

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 5:40 PM

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oh bullshit

I'll take that as a yes. You are capable of completely ignoring reality.

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 5:41 PM

Oh don't get me wrong, FMF...

I can't say I actually like em either, it's just that they are suitibly single minded and rabid about it to offer a strong bulwark against the infringement of those rights is all.

Like a big nasty rottie in your front yard, you know ?

Might not agree with his outlook on life, but he's right useful to have there, yes ?

My perspective on the whole matter is entirely from a Founder/Constitutional viewpoint, given how often I have expressed it while correcting misperceptions around here.

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I have no problem with people owning guns responsibly. I DO have a problem with people who have no idea what it is they are citing for the affirmation of their right to own guns.

Indeed, for mine own - I am quite fond of quoting Pat Henry, Madison, and others who had some awful strong words on the subject during debates over the proposed Constitution.

"The great objective is that everyone be armed.. everyone who is able may have a gun."
Pat Henry, speeches related to the Federalist Papers.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason, during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution.

I know chapter and verse where the codification of that right came from, and am quite willing (some would say TOO willing!

) to educate folk about it, at length, lol.

As for PN....

HKC - I think somewhere in there, he's done gotten the (incorrect) impression that the religion, state of isreal and zionist political movements like the likud party are all just one big collective of the same crap under the banner of judaism, which isn't necessarily true, but the collective historical actions of those folk could give that impression if one wasn't looking too closely due to their own internal biases.

I'm pissed off at some of em too, but my issues are with their Government, rather than their people as a whole.

Oh, yeah, and this... since ya want an answer so bad.

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WHY IS SHE A JOKE, AND OBAMA ISN'T?

Cause everytime the Obama bash fest subsides a little, the bashers come away looking like morons while his campaign gets a boost, it's almost like watching a Rocky Balboa fight, I swear.

Whereas Palin just looks a nasty little leftover of harper valley PTA politics who's completely out of her little fishbowl and not being the big fish of the tank anymore, bears a rather remarkable resemblence to bait.

THAT is why.

-Frem

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 6:02 PM

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Cause everytime the Obama bash fest subsides a little, the bashers come away looking like morons while his campaign gets a boost, it's almost like watching a Rocky Balboa fight, I swear.

Whereas Palin just looks a nasty little leftover of harper valley PTA politics who's completely out of her little fishbowl and not being the big fish of the tank anymore, bears a rather remarkable resemblence to bait.

THAT is why.

-Frem

Given you logic, Obama should have a big lead in the polls after the "bash fest" that the GOP convention was. Latest RCP average of polls has Obama 46.6%, McCain 44.2%. Hardly a big boost for Obama,with the margin of error the race is tied. Not a great performance in a year the Dems should be running away with it.

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 6:11 PM

That's cause he just keeps mumbling vague but hopeful sounding platitudes while letting the GOP do half his job for him - he IS a politician, you know, and apparently a lazy one.

I figure we're gonna get stuck with him, and as such am already planning to use my state and local reps to block the living shit out of any attempt to roll back our right to self defense.

He can "have a plan" in that respect all he wants, nothin says we gotta let him carry it out, you know.

-Frem
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Saturday, September 6, 2008 11:23 PM

RIVERLOVE

I stand by the topic's assertion with every fiber of my body and mind that the Democrat's are finished. You can't stop Sarah Palin, just like you can't stop the Signal. Every day, every time some Liberal or Democratic Palin basher shoots off their stupid mouth due to some personal meltdown or desperate anguish over Palin, and spews forth their disgusting lies, distortions, sexist attacks, and family attacks against her, she only grows in popularity. The incredible backlash emerging all over the country in support of Sarah Palin and her family is a genuine comfort for me and millions of women including married working moms, and single working moms. And the backlash is also coming from many Democrats who see the over-the-line and insane vitriole against Palin as dis-tasteful and damaging to Obama himself. Democratic strategists like Kirsten Powers, Laura Schwartz, and others are sickened by it. So are the majority of clear-thinking smart people from both sides. Freddie The Beetle Barnes calls her a rare gifted natural. Speaking before her first large crowd, and to 37 million TV viewers, she comes out and goes to town. She had to follow Guiliani too, and he was remarkably truthful and blunt. He spoke of Obama's total utter lack of executive experience and responsibilities. Also his sad minimalist record of writing legislation, his bizarre refusal to vote yes or no on legislative votes, and then he looked at McCain's long record of respected bi-partisan legislation. But Sarah Palin took it to a whole new level, something completely un-imagined. The political war not to just encompass the culture war, but to feature it. Obama only has to face McCain in two debates, but he will have to deal with Sarah Palin every day. A pit bull with lipstick indeed, and that lipstick may be the goodnight kiss for Obama. He said recently that families are off limits, and then one of his campaign advisors comes out criticizing her personal life choices, urging her back into the home to bake cookies and pies. An old-fashioned Democrat? I didn't think they existed. I guess he believes that a woman can't do what a man can do, work hard and raise a family with love, and that he has some right to question her and her husband's life choices. How vulgar and ignorant! And really stupid too, because she's done it superbly all her life. Once again, Obama was forced to distance himself from that statement pronto. If he keeps having to denounce the rhetoric, and distance himself from his most ardent supporters, there won't be anybody that he'll be able to be seen with anymore. Obama is sinking badly because some of his supporters' mis-guided efforts are sowing the seeds of his inevitable defeat. Keep it up, please. Bring on the "experience" debate, bring on the sexist attacks that belittle her commitment to duty and family. Your best efforts will never make her irrelevant, they'll only highlight her greatness and superiority over your feeble candidates. I'll wager that Hillary is laughing her ass off, and may be the happiest person in the world.. She won't have to wait 8 years now. She is likely already planning her new campaign for President in 2012, to begin the day after John & Sarah are sworn in next year.

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 12:39 AM

CITIZEN

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I'm still waiting to see someone give a decent response to your queston Riverlove. They can't do it without ignoring reality. I'll concede that Palin's experience level isn't what I'd like to see in a Presidential candidate, but if McCain can stay alive for a few years, I think she'll be up to speed. The problem for the Dem's is, their candidate who has almost no experience of any kind is going straight for the top job. Not only does he have a total lack of executive experience, his foreign policy experience is barely a match for Palin. This is one of the most brilliant things about having Palin on the ticket, every time anyone brings up her experience level it leads to a comparison between her and Obama. It's like they're just conceding that Obama's no match for McCain. The one positive for the Dems is that in picking Palin, McCain has somewhat conceded that foreign policy experience isn't essential. Though she's a good match for Obama, neither is anywhere near ready to be President today.

Actually the better question is, why is Obama's experience an issue and Palin's isn't. It was the Republican organ that trumpeted Obama's lack of experience, the same organ that is saying Palin has plenty of experience now.

All I've seen is people saying that she has less experience than Obama, so how come her's is expansive and his is non-existent? How come it's an issue that right-wings have had major arse ache over when it's about Obama, but they laud Palin's experience which is at very best on a par with Obama's. You're prescribing a hypocrisy to the other side that is solely you're own.

So why is Obama's experience an issue and Palin's perfectly fine? Given what being a Vice President means, it's bollocks to suggest that the Vice President doesn't need the same credentials or vetting as the President (indeed, doesn't the constitution demand that a Vice President have the same illegibility as a Presidential Candidate). McCain could keel over the day after his inauguration, it's unlikely but it could happen. Any argument hinging on her learning on the Job is weak. If Obama's experience is an issue, so is Palin's, and the Republicans have been trumpeting his lack of experience through out, now they have a candidate on their ticket whose really less experienced, and they're talking about how experienced she is, because her plane landed in Ireland once. Hell, it's a shame she didn't go there at the height of the troubles, you could give her a medal for flying over a war zone. It smacks of hypocrisy, and getting indignant now that your own statements are being thrown back at you and whining that it's different for your side, smacks of obtuseness, be it by accident or design.

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 3:23 AM

RIVERLOVE

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
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Originally posted by swish:
I'm not out to attack Palin, I'm attacking the flaccid arguments being used to support this joke of a nomination. I want my country to be better than a battle of personalities, a bundle of lies, and leaders who will continue Bush's history of destroying what's good about America.

I won't deny that I don't like Palin much, and I'm not about to act like I do just to be polite. She's out to lead my country, to represent me and mine on the world stage. I damned well better speak up while I can!

Swish, I'll renege, and respond one more time. YOU simply tell me why Obama is more qualified for President than Palin would be, even though she's only running for VP. WHY IS SHE A JOKE, AND OBAMA ISN'T?

I'm still waiting to see someone give a decent response to your queston Riverlove. They can't do it without ignoring reality. I'll concede that Palin's experience level isn't what I'd like to see in a Presidential candidate, but if McCain can stay alive for a few years, I think she'll be up to speed. The problem for the Dem's is, their candidate who has almost no experience of any kind is going straight for the top job. Not only does he have a total lack of executive experience, his foreign policy experience is barely a match for Palin. This is one of the most brilliant things about having Palin on the ticket, every time anyone brings up her experience level it leads to a comparison between her and Obama. It's like they're just conceding that Obama's no match for McCain. The one positive for the Dems is that in picking Palin, McCain has somewhat conceded that foreign policy experience isn't essential. Though she's a good match for Obama, neither is anywhere near ready to be President today.

Kirkules, don't underestimate Sarah Palin. She's been with her National Guard troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and will get internationally refreshed quite quickly. She'll be as eloquent and informed as anyone else, probably more eloquent and informed than anyone else. Her domestic knowledge and record is impeccable. She's a Governor, actually the most popular Governor in the whole country, and argueably the best. She has been tested for years under innumerable stressfull and complicated situations. She knows how to negotiate and be strong. Harry Truman came from a small town, and he was able to rise to the challenges of the job and times. I would want the guy with the black box walking behind Palin before either of the Dems. if it ever came to that.

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 4:23 AM

Funny you say that when she's bending the knee to AIPAC and selling us out as quick as possible.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3591809,00.html

Hint for AMERICAN presidential candidates - maybe Tel Aviv shouldn't be your *first* fucking stop on the campaign trail, yes ?

-F

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 5:51 AM

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I'm still waiting to see someone give a decent response to your queston Riverlove. They can't do it without ignoring reality. I'll concede that Palin's experience level isn't what I'd like to see in a Presidential candidate, but if McCain can stay alive for a few years, I think she'll be up to speed. The problem for the Dem's is, their candidate who has almost no experience of any kind is going straight for the top job. Not only does he have a total lack of executive experience, his foreign policy experience is barely a match for Palin. This is one of the most brilliant things about having Palin on the ticket, every time anyone brings up her experience level it leads to a comparison between her and Obama. It's like they're just conceding that Obama's no match for McCain. The one positive for the Dems is that in picking Palin, McCain has somewhat conceded that foreign policy experience isn't essential. Though she's a good match for Obama, neither is anywhere near ready to be President today.
Actually the better question is, why is Obama's experience an issue and Palin's isn't. It was the Republican organ that trumpeted Obama's lack of experience, the same organ that is saying Palin has plenty of experience now.

All I've seen is people saying that she has less experience than Obama, so how come her's is expansive and his is non-existent? How come it's an issue that right-wings have had major arse ache over when it's about Obama, but they laud Palin's experience which is at very best on a par with Obama's. You're prescribing a hypocrisy to the other side that is solely you're own.

So why is Obama's experience an issue and Palin's perfectly fine? Given what being a Vice President means, it's bollocks to suggest that the Vice President doesn't need the same credentials or vetting as the President (indeed, doesn't the constitution demand that a Vice President have the same illegibility as a Presidential Candidate). McCain could keel over the day after his inauguration, it's unlikely but it could happen. Any argument hinging on her learning on the Job is weak. If Obama's experience is an issue, so is Palin's, and the Republicans have been trumpeting his lack of experience through out, now they have a candidate on their ticket whose really less experienced, and they're talking about how experienced she is, because her plane landed in Ireland once. Hell, it's a shame she didn't go there at the height of the troubles, you could give her a medal for flying over a war zone. It smacks of hypocrisy, and getting indignant now that your own statements are being thrown back at you and whining that it's different for your side, smacks of obtuseness, be it by accident or design.

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I think if you had read my post you would have seen that I conceded a couple of your major points. Let me get this straight, your argument is that because the Dems picked their unqualified candidate out of ignorance of the qualifications needed for the Presidency or even worse they genuinely believe Obama is the most qualified in their Party to be President, it's somehow OK. But because the Republicans picked a candidate for VP that's more qualified than Obama but not as qualified as you think she should be that's not OK. Yes, the Republicans pick is a cynical attempted to get votes, but at least it's an intelligent political move that will probably win them the election.

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 6:01 AM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Kirkules, don't underestimate Sarah Palin.

I definitely don't underestimate her, just trying to maintain some perspective. I'm as exited as anyone about Palin's candidacy because I've always believed the the first woman and the first Black President will be Republicans. Palin obviously has the experience with the domestic economy and the intelligence to be President. She will have no problem getting up to speed on the foreign affairs side, but at the moment I can't help but concede that she's somewhat lacking.

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 6:16 AM

CITIZEN

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I think if you had read my post you would have seen that I conceded a couple of your major points. Let me get this straight, your argument is that because the Dems picked their unqualified candidate out of ignorance of the qualifications needed for the Presidency or even worse they genuinely believe Obama is the most qualified in their Party to be President, it's somehow OK. But because the Republicans picked a candidate for VP that's more qualified than Obama but not as qualified as you think she should be that's not OK. Yes, the Republicans pick is a cynical attempted to get votes, but at least it's an intelligent political move that will probably win them the election.

I did read your post, and responded directly to it. Conceding major points I brought up? I was constructing an argument, and those major points are part of that argument, I don't see why I'd omit them simply because you've already conceded them.

However, if you think any of your rebuttal address my own points, or that you've even actually come close to clarifying my position, perhaps you should try reading my post before responding.

My point was that the Vice President shouldn't have any more of a free pass with experience than the President. I further said that your attempt to portray the Democrats as being the ones picking on Palin's experience is disingenuous at best. Palin has, at best equal experience to Obama, and it's the Republicans that brought his experience into question, the same Republicans that are now talking about how expansive Palin's experience is. That's hypocritical. I then said that trying to portray the Democrats as doing what the Republicans are in fact doing, is obtuse.

Almost as obtuse as you missing all that the first time around. My contention was never about who had the most experience, of who made the best choice, it was about how the Republican praise for Palin is so amazingly and obviously partisan, and how you trying to portray what the Republicans have been doing as a specific flaw ONLY of the Democrats was pretty laughable. That's three times I've said it now, once in the last post, twice here.

As for how intelligent it is? Well, my yard stick for intelligent decisions is that they are considered, measured and, well yanno, intelligent. Palin's appointment falls short all the way, the only people who could really see it as intelligent are the Choir, the Republican voters who'd never vote any other way even if the Republican Presidential candidate was an openly Gay Muslim and the Vice President his lover and Horse.

Getting the Choir to think you're infallible and wonderful isn't hard, and it doesn't require intelligence. The initial stories I've been hearing is that undecided voters have been turned off if anything. Even some Republican supporters think it was a bad idea, but hey the die hard supporters who will always think the appointment is good no matter what, thinks it's good.

As for probably win the election? Possibly, the American electorate has managed to make some colossally stupid decisions recently. Certainly if you want more fiscal irresponsibility, and further erosion of America's already rock bottom international image, McCain's your man. Why you'd actually want that I don't know, but I suppose some people are into sadomasochism.

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 7:19 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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She is an EXECUTIVE, something Obama & Biden have never been.

You left out McCain, who also has never had any kind of executive experience.

And Obama knows a little something about law and the Constitution, something Palin has absolutely no experience with. Can you name me a single law that she's authored? Just one?

That's the game you're playing. "He's never been a governor." Yeah, and she's never been a legislator.

What are her accomplishments in office, exactly? List them.

She fought pork. Only she didn't. Alaska ranks #1 on the pork-barrel spending list per capita, getting 10 times as much per-capita pork spending than any other state in the nation.

She sold the governor's private jet on eBay, at a profit. Her claim, remember - too bad it's an out and out lie. She didn't sell it on eBay - she LISTED it on eBay, three times, and it didn't sell. She sold it through a broker, but not at a profit; she sold it for $2.1 million, and the state paid $2.7 million for it - a net loss of $600,000, before brokerage fees. So she actually cost the taxpayers of Alaska more than half a million bucks with that
"cost-cutting" decision.

She was against the Bridge to Nowhere, and told the federal government "Thanks, but no thanks." Only that's a lie. She hired an Abramoff-connected lobbyist to lobby for the bridge money, she campaigned in favor of the bridge, and made that one of the issues in her campaign, and she gladly took the federal money when it was offered. She didn't say "Thanks, but no thanks" as she claims - she took the money, and then redirected it to her own favorite pork-barrel issues.

So fill me in - what are her REAL accomplishments?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 7:47 AM

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She is an EXECUTIVE, something Obama & Biden have never been.

You left out McCain, who also has never had any kind of executive experience.

And Obama knows a little something about law and the Constitution, something Palin has absolutely no experience with. Can you name me a single law that she's authored? Just one?

That's the game you're playing. "He's never been a governor." Yeah, and she's never been a legislator.

What are her accomplishments in office, exactly? List them.

She fought pork. Only she didn't. Alaska ranks #1 on the pork-barrel spending list per capita, getting 10 times as much per-capita pork spending than any other state in the nation.

She sold the governor's private jet on eBay, at a profit. Her claim, remember - too bad it's an out and out lie. She didn't sell it on eBay - she LISTED it on eBay, three times, and it didn't sell. She sold it through a broker, but not at a profit; she sold it for $2.1 million, and the state paid $2.7 million for it - a net loss of $600,000, before brokerage fees. So she actually cost the taxpayers of Alaska more than half a million bucks with that
"cost-cutting" decision.

She was against the Bridge to Nowhere, and told the federal government "Thanks, but no thanks." Only that's a lie. She hired an Abramoff-connected lobbyist to lobby for the bridge money, she campaigned in favor of the bridge, and made that one of the issues in her campaign, and she gladly took the federal money when it was offered. She didn't say "Thanks, but no thanks" as she claims - she took the money, and then redirected it to her own favorite pork-barrel issues.

So fill me in - what are her REAL accomplishments?

Mike

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 8:03 AM

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I love you man!

Right back atcha!

Hey, we're all in this together. And as ol' Franklin once said, "We must surely hang together, or we will all hang separately."

M

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 8:25 AM

RIVERLOVE

Brand new Zogby Poll has McCain up by four points, and the brand new Rassmusson Poll has him up by three. Initial trends indicate a growing Palin effect with a possible 6-10 point McCain lead by end of the week. These are the expert's new numbers, but I'll predict that McCain will be up over Obama by 12 points during next three weeks before the first debate. Then comes the VP debate. The Palin-Biden match-up should leave McCain up for good after that. It will probably be the most watched TV event in history, I feel quite confident in Governor Palin's ability to steal the show with an historic performance. Actually I'm giddy like a school girl in anticipation.

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 7:27 PM

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The one positive for the Dems is that in picking Palin, McCain has somewhat conceded that foreign policy experience isn't essential.

You mean he's totally conceded that ANY experience is essential, because in REAL matters, she has less than Obama does.

If the prefix "pro-" means "for" or "in favor of", and "con" is its opposite, and if "progress" means "pushing forward" or "improving"... then what the hell does "Congress" mean?

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 7:32 PM

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I guess he believes ... that he has some right to question her and her husband's life choices. How vulgar and ignorant!

Just to nitpick here - Didn't you do exactly that? Question Obama's and his wife's life choices? There was something in there denigrating them for not giving birthday or Christmas gifts, wasn't there?

How vulgar and ignorant you are!

EC

If the prefix "pro-" means "for" or "in favor of", and "con" is its opposite, and if "progress" means "pushing forward" or "improving"... then what the hell does "Congress" mean?

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 7:40 PM

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Kirkules, don't underestimate Sarah Palin. She's been with her National Guard troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and will get internationally refreshed quite quickly. She'll be as eloquent and informed as anyone else, probably more eloquent and informed than anyone else. Her domestic knowledge and record is impeccable. She's a Governor, actually the most popular Governor in the whole country, and argueably the best. She has been tested for years under innumerable stressfull and complicated situations. She knows how to negotiate and be strong. Harry Truman came from a small town, and he was able to rise to the challenges of the job and times. I would want the guy with the black box walking behind Palin before either of the Dems. if it ever came to that.

Wow! You sound EXACTLY like those anti-Obama ads - the ones hailing him as the new Messiah, calling him the biggest celebrity in the world...

You're lavishing the exact same kind of BS praise on Palin!

Why, she's MORE eloquent and informed than anyone else! She's just the BEST. She's so good there shouldn't even be an election, and we should just crown her Emperor For Life right now, today, this very instant!

It troubles me that she WON'T appear on any of the talking-points shows. Why's she hiding? If she's so eloquent and informed, then at least ONE person on the Republican ticket would be, because Stuttering John McCain sure can't string together a cohesive thought.

EC

If the prefix "pro-" means "for" or "in favor of", and "con" is its opposite, and if "progress" means "pushing forward" or "improving"... then what the hell does "Congress" mean?

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 7:42 PM

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...the Republicans picked a candidate for VP that's more qualified than Obama...

So Palin's out? Who'd they replace her with?

EC

If the prefix "pro-" means "for" or "in favor of", and "con" is its opposite, and if "progress" means "pushing forward" or "improving"... then what the hell does "Congress" mean?

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 7:49 PM

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Palin obviously has the experience with the domestic economy...

"Obviously"? By insisting on emptying her state's meager treasury on government handouts, and then insinuating that any future needs will be met by massive borrowing, or by more massive federal handouts?

That DOES sound like a pretty firm grip on the Republican version of the economy.

I thought you were big on limiting your personal spending to what you could afford? Maybe not when it comes to your views on elected officials, I guess - at least not as long as they're "conservatives".

If the prefix "pro-" means "for" or "in favor of", and "con" is its opposite, and if "progress" means "pushing forward" or "improving"... then what the hell does "Congress" mean?

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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:23 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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The TRUTH about Sarah Palin is that she's one of the most beloved Governors in the nation, with a very high approval rating.

Hitler had a high approval rating too. I'm not trying to say that Palin is Hitler, merely that a high approval rating doesn't mean that you're honest or represent the people who voted you in. (Yes, Hitler was voted in.)

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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:28 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Nice job Signy. The Hitler reference is always a good one. It's really a shame that Sarah Palin will be the cause of Obama's epic defeat. Don't worry though. Misery loves company, and you'll have plenty of miserable company right here to cry with in November. And in bewteen your crying, you guys can debate all the ways that McCain stole the election. You're in for a rough spell.

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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:33 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Sarah Palin really needs nothing from Oprah.

They've all ready gotten all they need from Oprah. Palin was treated very badly by the press, her opponants, and the liberal crazy-talkers yet she managed to not only weather the storm but to throw it back on them.

By refusing to have her on Oprah continues to generate the 'unfairness' sympathy for Palin while undermining her own support for Obama.

Thanks Oprah.

H

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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:37 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Nice job Signy. The Hitler reference is always a good one. It's really a shame that Sarah Palin will be the cause of Obama's epic defeat. Don't worry though. Misery loves company, and you'll have plenty of miserable company right here to cry with in November. And in bewteen your crying, you guys can debate all the ways that McCain stole the election. You're in for a rough spell.

Nice way to evade the point JS. But your whole argument boils down to We're number one!. That could be transplanted into a crowd shouting Heil Hitler! and not be out-of-place. So, aside from rabid cheerleaderism, do you have any reason to vote for McCain-Palin? 'Cause I'd like to hear it.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:52 AM

JONGSSTRAW

You're not being honest and you know it. You don't want to hear my reasons for supporting her. You just wanna bash Palin. And you and yours are doing exactly that. Every time she's trashed, she only grows in popularity. So keep up the bashing.

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Monday, September 8, 2008 4:02 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

No, I want to hear your reasons.

Maybe you're religious, you want to see more religion in the WH and you like that in her.

Maybe you're voting your 2nd amendment rights.

Maybe you really like McCain better because you feel he's an honest-to-God hero.

Maybe you just really really disagree with Obama.

I dunno.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

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