Capital Offense by AnthonyT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I just read on another thread that the GOP convention was the most watched ever. Given the quantity and quality of the monetary donations, I wonder if a large percentage of the viewers weren't Democrats? No doubt watching in abject horror and outrage, but watching and boosting viewership.

If so, it would seem that Republicans did not return the favor, tuning out the opposition's show.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 1:22 AM

FREMDFIRMA

According to my sources, it was the same urge that inspires one to slow down and closely peer over a gruesome auto accident, mostly.

Chalk it up to train wreck fascination.

-F

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 1:56 AM

KIRKULES

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
According to my sources, it was the same urge that inspires one to slow down and closely peer over a gruesome auto accident, mostly.

Chalk it up to train wreck fascination.

-F

It was pretty gruesome for the Dems, the way Palin field dressed Obama like she would a moose.

As far a it helping Obama fund raising, like he needed any help with George Soros's check book in his pocket. Also, with much of his fundraising coming from the internet, I'm sure Palin and McCain's speeches got the money rolling in to the Obama camp from China and the Axis of Evil.

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 2:23 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Actually, watching you hard-right folk swarm in a rabid defense of the pathetic candidates the GOP has offered is amusing the hell out of me, in much the same way blood in the water amuses a shark.

Cause I can practically smell your fear.

If you didn't give a shit what folk thought, if you really thought it was a done deal, you'd see no need to bother with frenzied puff talk - are you really trying to convince us ?

Or are you trying to convince yourselves ?

Gee, come to think of it, the last time I saw this kind of circle jerk was the supporters of DeVos, shortly following Jenny ripping him to little bitsy pieces at a debate he showed up at all disheveled and hung over.

You know, just before we practially ran his ass out of here on a rail.

So go on, just keep flailing and bleeding like a good piece of chum, while telling yourself your only treading water, sure.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 5:11 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Hopefully in a less antagonistic vein, I'd like to chime in my general agreement.

I think the aggressive tone being used by the Republicans right now is having two effects.

1) Centrists are being dismayed by such displays and are leaning more to the left.

2) Democrats are being inspired to donate more money to keep those 'angry Republicans' out of the oval office.

I'm not sure that such aggression in the republican rhetoric is what's needed right now. While it is a contrast to Obama's less aggressive 'hope' mission, it may give off a negative impression.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 5:55 AM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
I'm sure Palin and McCain's speeches got the money rolling in to the Obama camp from China and the Axis of Evil.

And this is why you're an idiot in these matters, Kirk, when Bush detractors say war for oil, you call it as wrong, but YOU'RE allowed to go all simple in the other direction.
You're angry & mean, just like the peeps you want in office, plus you drink too much and don't take enough vitamins.

isall

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 6:23 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Just read this from CNN's Political Ticker, and thought it was of interest.

It would appear that Palin's speech was very inspirational. However, it seems not to have inspired the reactions hoped for.

Maybe, maybe not. One of the things you have to watch out for, especially where the Liberal ideology is concerned is that there are many very, very wealthy and extremely political individuals and institutions that support Liberal and Left-wing causes in the US. This large donation could very likely be nothing more then a few large donations given to the Obama campaign by these wealthy supporters.

Also recent polls indicate a jump for McCain, so this would suggest that this large donation is not a result of increased support, but a few wealthy suporters playing the system.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 6:54 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

An interesting interpretation of the results, Finn.

You might be right, but I wonder why there wouldn't be an equal number of very wealthy and political individuals serving he conservative agenda? Given the Republican stance on giving business the 'hands off' treatment, or even supporting them with incentives, one would have thought that powerful and wealthy persons would be donating to the Republican side of things as well.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 7:00 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

An interesting interpretation of the results, Finn.

You might be right, but I wonder why there wouldn't be an equal number of very wealthy and political individuals serving he conservative agenda? Given the Republican stance on giving business the 'hands off' treatment, or even supporting them with incentives, one would have thought that powerful and wealthy persons would be donating to the Republican side of things as well.

People always assume that because the Conservative or Right-wing side is associated with money and wealth and capitalism that there would be a large number of Right-wing supporters, but the Right isn’t as political as the Left. The wealthy Right tends to be much more religious or economic, then political.

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 7:05 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I must say that I'm very surprised to hear this. This information is very counter-intuitive. I'd have thought that people with their beliefs and pocketbook on the line would be very political.

However, I have no inside information on the Republican party, having spent most of my life as an independent. I only recently switched parties to Republican to support my favored candidate in this election, Ron Paul.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 7:13 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I must say that I'm very surprised to hear this. This information is very counter-intuitive. I'd have thought that people with their beliefs and pocketbook on the line would be very political.

However, I have no inside information on the Republican party, having spent most of my life as an independent. I only recently switched parties to Republican to support my favored candidate in this election, Ron Paul.

It has nothing to do with the Republican or the Democratic Party. Think about the people associated with wealthy Right-wing political supporters (such as Mel Gibson for instance) – most of them are going to be much more in favor of a religious or capitalist agenda then a political agenda. And it’s hard for a McCain/Palin ticket to invigorate this crowd, because McCain/Palin appeals to a much larger cross-section of Middle America, then the Far Right. But Left-wing supporters tend to be very political – Goerge Sorros, the Oprah. Obama/Biden is very solidly on the Liberal side with Obama having the image of being very Left-wing. So Obama/Biden appeals to the more political Far Left, much more then McCain/Palin appeals to the less political Far Right.

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 7:28 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So Obama/Biden appeals to the more political Far Left, much more then McCain/Palin appeals to the less political Far Right.

With all due respect Finn, I detect an anti-left bias in this statement; I see Obama/Biden as being no farther left then McCain/Palin is to the right. In fact, if anything, McCain/Palin might be a little closer to the edge...an Obama/Biden administration certainly wouldn't move the whole country as left as I think you might believe.

IMOisall

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 7:30 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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Hopefully in a less antagonistic vein

Hey now, that wasn't antagonistic....

It was downright nasty, or intended to be.

Can't help it, I love watchin em get all twitchy and foamy at the mouth like only zealots can when their dearly held beliefs slam into unforgiving realities.

But I'm an asshole like that, yanno.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 7:57 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So Obama/Biden appeals to the more political Far Left, much more then McCain/Palin appeals to the less political Far Right.

With all due respect Finn, I detect an anti-left bias in this statement;

I’m sure you do, but that doesn’t mean its there. You have a pretty hardcore anti-right bias that you refuse to recognize.

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 9:00 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I’m sure you do, but that doesn’t mean its there. You have a pretty hardcore anti-right bias that you refuse to recognize.

Whaddya talkin' about? I recognize & admit to it, and I (sometimes) try real hard to take it into account while discussing something in an attempt to be more objective.
Can YOU admit to as much on the other side of the coin?

Honest Chrisisall

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 9:24 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I’m sure you do, but that doesn’t mean its there. You have a pretty hardcore anti-right bias that you refuse to recognize.
Whaddya talkin' about? I recognize & admit to it, and I (sometimes) try real hard to take it into account while discussing something in an attempt to be more objective.

You should try harder.

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
You should try harder.

Maybe so, but you as well (I resisted the 'I'm rubber, you're glue' response

Chrisisall

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 10:57 AM

HKCAVALIER

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Given the quantity and quality of the monetary donations, I wonder if a large percentage of the viewers weren't Democrats? No doubt watching in abject horror and outrage, but watching and boosting viewership.

Damn those dems! Trying to stay informed!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 11:11 AM

WHOZIT

You know what a Capitol Offence is, when B.O.'s friend set a bomb off in it. B.O. has great big ears and likes hot sweaty man sex!

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Saturday, September 6, 2008 11:16 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Whozit, your comments are unhelpful in the goal of establishing adult discussion and debate.

Plus it's capital, as in money.

I was very clever and am miffed that you overlooked it.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 7:57 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Plus it's capital, as in money.

I was very clever and am miffed that you overlooked it.

Anthony:

Honestly, you can't expect him to catch subtleties like that. This is the person who thinks the number one rap against Obama is "big ears", and Biden's biggest negative is "hair plugs". Obviously, Whozit has no capability for deep thought, or for anything more than the merest of superficialities.

Plus, you know... he's a troll.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 8:00 AM

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B.O. has great big ears and likes hot sweaty man sex!

Yeah, and McLame can't raise his arms...

And I note for the record that only ONE of the candidates was in prison for a long time AND was in the Navy.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Whaddya talkin' about? I recognize & admit to it, and I (sometimes) try real hard to take it into account while discussing something in an attempt to be more objective.
Can YOU admit to as much on the other side of the coin?

Chris, you're talking to the guy that thinks military fascist dictatorships are a good idea...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 1:55 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Whaddya talkin' about? I recognize & admit to it, and I (sometimes) try real hard to take it into account while discussing something in an attempt to be more objective.
Can YOU admit to as much on the other side of the coin?

Chris, you're talking to the guy that thinks military fascist dictatorships are a good idea...

You know, it takes a certain degree of stupidity to actually think that, since I’ve never made such a statement or said anything that could have been seriously construed that way.

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 2:45 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Maybe, maybe not. One of the things you have to watch out for, especially where the Liberal ideology is concerned is that there are many very, very wealthy and extremely political individuals and institutions that support Liberal and Left-wing causes in the US. This large donation could very likely be nothing more then a few large donations given to the Obama campaign by these wealthy supporters.

Oh yeah, those mythical wealthy left-wing supporters.

Obama, as of July '08, 96% by individual donations (limit $2000) www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cid=N00009638&cycle=2008

McCain, as of July '08. 0nly 81% by individual donations
/ www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cid=N00006424&cycle=2008

Yanno Finn, with the internet there really is NO excuse for such half-assed thinking. Except maybe you have a half-assed brain.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 3:09 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Yanno Finn, with the internet there really is NO excuse for such half-assed thinking. Except maybe you have a half-assed brain.

God, you’re desperate to ignore the facts, aren't you.

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 4:07 PM

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God, you’re desperate to ignore the facts, aren't you.

I haven't seen you present any "facts" - only your opinions. You say the people on the right with money aren't "political" - but that ignores folk like oil billionaire T. Boone Pickens and his personal bankrolling of the Swift Boat crowd. There are PLENTY of rich right-wingers willing to put up their money. And there are plenty of them willing to put up their celebrity in favor of the Republicans as well.

If there don't seem to be AS many putting their support behind McCain/Palin, maybe that should tell you something about your candidates, rather than about their supporters. After all, even rich people don't like to just throw money down an empty hole.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 4:16 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
If there don't seem to be AS many putting their support behind McCain/Palin, maybe that should tell you something about your candidates, rather than about their supporters. After all, even rich people don't like to just throw money down an empty hole.

Or more likely it says something about the nature of the Right. That they are more likely to support economic or religious agendas, rather then political ones, while the Left tends to be more likely to support political ones. This is hardly a major revelation.

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Sunday, September 7, 2008 6:11 PM

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Or more likely it says something about the nature of the Right. That they are more likely to support economic or religious agendas, rather then political ones, while the Left tends to be more likely to support political ones. This is hardly a major revelation.

So is it your stated position then that the McCain/Palin ticket don't have anything to offer on economic or religious grounds?

By the way, I'm still eagerly awaiting your "facts" in support of these opinions of yours.

And the swift-boating of Kerry last time 'round - was that economic in nature, or religious? Surely it couldn't have been... political!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Monday, September 8, 2008 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
You know, it takes a certain degree of stupidity to actually think that, since I’ve never made such a statement or said anything that could have been seriously construed that way.

You know, it takes a certain immorality to actually say that, (not to mention a certain level of stupidity to think you'll get away with it) since you said quite clearly that you admired and liked the military authoritarian fascist regime depicted in Starship Troopers. Although, you're part right, it's military dictatorships you have the hard on for, rather than just fascism. But hey, if you feel you need to lie about it now to save face, go right ahead, it's what you usually do.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Monday, September 8, 2008 2:25 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
You know, it takes a certain degree of stupidity to actually think that, since I’ve never made such a statement or said anything that could have been seriously construed that way.
You know, it takes a certain immorality to actually say that, (not to mention a certain level of stupidity to think you'll get away with it) since you said quite clearly that you admired and liked the military authoritarian fascist regime depicted in Starship Troopers. Although, you're part right, it's military dictatorships you have the hard on for, rather than just fascism. But hey, if you feel you need to lie about it now to save face, go right ahead, it's what you usually do.

God, you’re an idiot.

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Monday, September 8, 2008 2:46 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
God, you’re an idiot.

God you're an evil lying sack of shit

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:02 AM

Curse and yell at eachother all you want. Doesn't add up to jack squat, except to put this board in the gutter. The FACT is that McCain-Palin is leading Obama-Biden now. McCain made up all the deficit from Obama's prior lead, and now he's pulling out ahead. And ahead he will stay,'cause Sarah's just getting warmed up.

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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:07 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So Finn, what are the "facts" that I'm ignoring? I pride myself on not ignoring data, even uncomfortable data.

Partway into Bill Clinton's term... when he pushed so hard for NAFTA... I realized he was going to sell us down the river to the corporate masters. But Bush? He was even more rapacious than Clinton, which is why we are where we are today: in an economic meltdown.

Long before 9-11... after the Cole and embassy bombings... I realized that it was just a matter of time before we experienced an attack on our soil. And yanno what? IMHO we're STILL vulnerable.

After listening to the technical folks... the UNMOVIC staff, the nuclear geeks at Oak Ridge testing the aluminum tubing and all that... I realized that Saddam did NOT have WMD.

When the exit polls in six hotly contested electronic-voting states experienced an unprecedented a statistically impossible 6-10% swing, and the profs who know such things say
the only factor they can't rule out is FRAUD, then I pay attention, especially because the essential problem (as detailed by Black Box Voting) has not been fixed.

It is a sad fact that racism is alive and well in the USA. Not the lynch-mob form of racism... a more quiet and polite form.

I'm a scientist. but more than that I try to be a realist. I don't believe in plugging my ears and humming loudly if somebody brings me FACTS (not poinion, not ideology... FACTS) that counter my ideas.

I'm not ignoring the fact that McCain-Palin have a base. IMHO 40% of Americans are bat-shit crazy. They believe so strongly in ... whatever they believe in... that they not only ignore the plain evidence of their senses they see and hear things that aren't even there. (What's the difference between a six-foot rabbit and the Virgin Mary on a pancake except that one will fetch you $15000 on eBay and the other might get you thorazine? We have a system of socially-accepted craziness, isall. ) They might even win. But so far, I haven't heard anything from McCain-Palin that warrants my vote. Have you? Then bring it here.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:22 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So is it your stated position then that the McCain/Palin ticket don't have anything to offer on economic or religious grounds?

It’s my stated position that a McCain/Palin ticket does not appeal to the Far Right, as much as Obama/Biden appeals to the Far Left.

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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:43 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Actually, watching you hard-right folk swarm in a rabid defense of the pathetic candidates the GOP has offered

Well, on one hand we have one of the most popular Democratic candidates since Kennedy and one with a vastly superior fund raising ability to any they've found in the last fifty years.

On the other "the pathetic candidates the GOP has offered" who are now up by about 4-10pts depending on your favorite poll.

Imagine what the GOP could do with good candidates...I mean if it takes the most money they've ever had and the most appealing candidate they've ever had to bring the race just close...the Democrats really have no business in the White House.

H

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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:44 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
After Palin speech, Obama has record $10 million day
Posted: 08:50 PM ET
(CNN) – Barack Obama's campaign for president has raised $10 million since Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin spoke Wednesday night, the campaign announced, calling it a "one-day record."

All that money will be of great comfort AFTER her loses the election.

H

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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:47 AM

Hero...the tide has turned in a big way. Obama is sinking fast, so you gotta expect the lefties to go beserk. Sit back and enjoy; but every now and then remind them that Sarah Palin is the one they went after, and she'll be the one that defeats them.

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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:52 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hero...the tide has turned in a big way. Obama is sinking fast, so you gotta expect the lefties to go beserk. Sit back and enjoy; but every now and then remind them that Sarah Palin is the one they went after, and she'll be the one that defeats them.

Or not as the case may be. The 'righties' are so desperate to portray it as so, one wonders what they have to be afraid of. Just keep wishing.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:56 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hero...the tide has turned in a big way. Obama is sinking fast, so you gotta expect the lefties to go beserk. Sit back and enjoy; but every now and then remind them that Sarah Palin is the one they went after, and she'll be the one that defeats them.
Or not as the case may be. The 'righties' are so desperate to portray it as so, one wonders what they have to be afraid of. Just keep wishing.

It's not wishing my friend, it's today's reality. Check the numbers, check the momentum trend, check Sarah Palin's track record of victory over her enemies. McCain will have a big lead going in to the debates. We'll see how it plays out after that.

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Monday, September 8, 2008 3:57 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I will point out that if McCain-Palin win the WH we're in for four years of shrinking civil liberties, religion in the WH, and hard times... very hard times... for most Americans.

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

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Monday, September 8, 2008 4:05 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It's not wishing my friend, it's today's reality. Check the numbers, check the momentum trend, check Sarah Palin's track record of victory over her enemies. McCain will have a big lead going in to the debates. We'll see how it plays out after that.

I was referring to your comment about 'lefties' going nuts, actually. The only people 'going berserk' are the 'righties' who apparently are in such a good political position they should need to. Seem's you're trying to elicit the response you crave to make yourself feel better.

Most of the 'righties' around here will vote for McCain, not because they've made a decision on who's best, but because they always vote Republican. We can hope that the wider electorate can grow a brain, or we can see America travel further down the imperial path. But prostituting the American Enlightenment Dream will certainly give the far-right wing-nuts something to masturbate furiously over, so good luck with that.

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No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Monday, September 8, 2008 4:07 AM

Oh good, Signym has foreseen the future...and returns to warn us all to vote Left-wing.

Aren't we lucky.

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Monday, September 8, 2008 4:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I just read on another thread that the GOP convention was the most watched ever. Given the quantity and quality of the monetary donations, I wonder if a large percentage of the viewers weren't Democrats? No doubt watching in abject horror and outrage, but watching and boosting viewership.

If so, it would seem that Republicans did not return the favor, tuning out the opposition's show.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

I hardly ever watch any news because I don't like others telling me how I should think. Most of my news is read from various sites, Rethug, Demon, 3rd Party and from the tinfoil hat crowd. But every time I go to my Grandma's house when I visit back in my hometown I get plenty of news coverage since she watches FOX news pretty much 24/7 and everyone else in the house is an Obama lover.

I'll be the first to admit that my independent views probably would lean more towards the right if weighed on a scale. That being said, I have to admit that seeing the GOP conventions for more time than I'd care to admit for 2 days with all them neo-cons in the same building was pretty scary. I didn't see any of Obama's (or even my hero Dr. Paul's before people accuse me of anything). I chuckle when I think about the Dem's convention and how stupid it would be to have them all drink the Kool-Aid now when he needs the votes when he's behind in the polls.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Monday, September 8, 2008 4:15 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Oh good, Signym has foreseen the future...and returns to warn us all to vote Left-wing.

Aren't we lucky.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

They don't even have the honesty to admit that they created the Palin problem for themselves. They could have left her alone for a while, given her a chance to introduce her family to America, as they all get to do. But the Left just had to jump on her ass from day 1. Now they are paying the price for it. Obama sinking, and McCain-Palin rising quickly.

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Monday, September 8, 2008 4:22 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I will point out that if McCain-Palin win the WH we're in for four years of shrinking civil liberties, religion in the WH, and hard times... very hard times... for most Americans.

If I thought for a second that it would be any better at all with Obama, I might be excited now.

You people had 2 chances for change and you threw it away. Dr. Paul and Mr. Kucinich...

They're still here. And a dream ticket if I ever heard of one. Two smart guys that aren't sleeping with the enemy. And two guys who disagree on just enough to keep each other honest.

But go ahead and drink the kool-aid, or vote for the female VP, or vote for a universal healthcare plan that could never work as well as it's written on paper, or for the old white guy because change is scary when embodied by a brotha.

I made it through the last 8 years okay after some tough times. I'm sure I can weather it another 4 or 8 years after you all make your collectively idiotic decision.

All due respect intended....

~6

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Monday, September 8, 2008 4:41 AM

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Hero...the tide has turned in a big way. Obama is sinking fast, so you gotta expect the lefties to go beserk. Sit back and enjoy; but every now and then remind them that Sarah Palin is the one they went after, and she'll be the one that defeats them.

By your own twisted logic, doesn't that mean that Palin/McCain is sinking fast? I mean, look at how berserk you and Riverlove are going about them! That must be a sign of their impending doom...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Monday, September 8, 2008 4:45 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by citizen:
The 'righties' are so desperate to portray it as so, one wonders what they have to be afraid of.

That one can be argued either way. I've been wondering where our great leaders have been. Fred has health problems, Rudy is the kind of guy the guy in charge puts in charge of things, Huck was ok, but not a realistic national leader (he'd be a fine national spokesman for one of our factions...or maybe working in the Senate in a 1 in a hundred fashion), Romney is only conservative in even numbered years, McCain is older then then dirt.

Seems we had a fine bunch of also-rans and second place finishers, but no real stand outs to take up Reagan's mantle as leader of the conservative movement. Closest we came was Newt...and that didn't end well for anyone.

So along comes Palin. She hits all the right buttons and is completely new to the scene which is good too. I was not excited by the McCain campaign...I'd vote for him, but not work or contribute to get him elected. Palin on the ticket get me off my ass. She was a good pick.

If there was desperation here...perhaps we became so desperate that the powers that be knew they needed to give us what we wanted...then again, that's kinda how the system is supposed to work.

I note for the record that similar 'desperation' gave us Teddy R. and Truman...two of our best Presidents (or at least crowd favorites). Come to think of it...it gave us George Bush in 1980 and LBJ in 1960.

H

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