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You'd think someone who so vividly supports Obama would be a little more mindful of that.

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THE OFFICER JACK MCLAMB PROGRAM
Archived Shows in September of 2008

SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 7, 2008
MP3 Files: Hour 1, Hour 2
Playlist Files: PLS M3U

Due to technical difficulties the archives are corrupted but will be corrected by September 9, 2008

Hour 1: Jack discusses recent news in the republican party.

Hour 2: Guest: Steve Martin
Discussion on the Ron Paul campaign, questions raised.

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"You WILL pay any tax increase I tell you to pay! You CAN afford it!"
Skull & Bones mayor/ambassador Victor "Victoria" Ashe, Knoxville city council, October 2000 (re predatory annexation increasing corporate taxes $500,000 per business)

"Sitting on Council, I was in the presence of evil. There was just darkness. Hopelessness."
Knoxville councilmember Carlene Malone, Metro Pulse, "Malone Alone", December 13, 2001

"Knoxville must be the most corrupt city on earth. People worry about the national government but it's the local government people need to fear."
City Councilmember Carlene Malone to Pirate News TV

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
by Charley James –

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If he can't prove it he should not write it. If he can, then his evidence should be readily available.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I could make the same claim of your drivel. Where is your evidence? Where is your proof? If you can't prove it, you shouldn't write it, eh? You've said he's a liar and his work is all lies - can you PROVE that?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I could make the same claim of your drivel. Where is your evidence? Where is your proof? If you can't prove it, you shouldn't write it, eh? You've said he's a liar and his work is all lies - can you PROVE that?

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The onus is on James to provide evidence for his article. He is none. At most he has hearsay, which quite frankly is probably a lie, at some point. Nonetheless, it is up to James to confirm his own story, not Hero or me or you or anyone else. I promise you that I could write a story about Obama in which I stated as fact the things many people have said, and I could make him look like a raving lunatic. Funny, I’m willing to bet you’d not let me get away without providing my own proof, so why do you do it to Palin?

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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I agree with Finn here. The claimant must provide the evidence, not the defending party.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I agree with Finn here. The claimant must provide the evidence, not the defending party.

--Anthony

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So I'll reserve judgment, and so should you, until this is backed up from additional sources.

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100 % Pure Liberal B.S.

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And according to numerous “eye-witnesses” in Arkansas the Clinton’s routinely used the word “nigger.”

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The story is a lie. I don't know if the lie is from Mr. James or to Mr. James...I don't think it matters.

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It's the whole innocent until proven guilty mindset...

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Obama has gone from just one Reverand Wright to now hundreds...

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
There. Now, according to the prevailing logic around here, the onus is on YOU to prove me wrong.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
There. Now, according to the prevailing logic around here, the onus is on YOU to prove me wrong.

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That is not the “prevailing logic.” That is your logic.

According to YOUR logic I can accept as true:
"Obama has gone from just one Reverand Wright to now hundreds..."
Because the Onus is on YOU to prove it wrong, and you haven't done so.

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I could make the same claim of your drivel. Where is your evidence? Where is your proof? If you can't prove it, you shouldn't write it, eh? You've said he's a liar and his work is all lies - can you PROVE that?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
In a court of law, if you are accused of libel or slander, it is incumbent upon the accuser to prove his case, more than on you to disprove it, is it not?

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Originally posted by piratenews:
Palin calling Obama "Sambo" would be allowed as evidence in court.

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And somehow I doubt the actual witness exists or if she does I suspect that there would be a dozen other people who'd say...didn't happen, there'd be proof she (Palin) was never there, etc. You know...cause its all a lie.

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Don't waste a minute of your life trying to converse or debate with him....he's like all the rest. The following was taken from a media article today ...

"We need to throw every last molecule of shit we've got at McCain and Palin," said a poster at the Democratic Underground. "Demonize them. Dehumanize them."

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I agree with Finn here. The claimant must provide the evidence, not the defending party.

--Anthony

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Actually, they both should. If hero said, back that up, he's not making a claim, but he did make a claim, he claimed that the opening claim was a lie. If they're both making claims, they both should back them up.

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Actually, they both should. If hero said, back that up, he's not making a claim, but he did make a claim, he claimed that the opening claim was a lie. If they're both making claims, they both should back them up.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Are we making a distinction between saying, "I don't believe that what you are saying is the truth"

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Actually, I'm making a distinction between a request and a claim. "Have you got any evidence for that?" is a request, "You're a liar!" is a claim.

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Which really just goes in circles with no one ever required to stop and provide evidence. Actually, that sounds a lot like our political debates. Two people pointing fingers at each other across an aisle shouting, "No, YOU are the liar!"

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I've been saying it now for 11 days.....every time some Liberal or Democrat foams at the mouth and besmirches Sarah, she and McCain go up in popularity. From 7 points down to USA/Gallop's 10 points up. That's a lot more than a convention bump...that's the start of an avalanche. Obama has gone from just one Reverand Wright to now hundreds, and although his campaign desperately wants the Palin bashing stopped for obvious reasons (well, obvious at least to anyone with a brain or some political saavy), they can't stop it. And the liars and character assassins cannot control themselves either. It's just a perfect scenario for McCain & Palin to waltz into the White House.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Guys...seriously...chill out.

ALL politicians are liars. We know this.

Why argue it?

The truth is only what you can hold in your hand.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I've been saying it now for 11 days.....every time some Liberal or Democrat foams at the mouth and besmirches Sarah, she and McCain go up in popularity. From 7 points down to USA/Gallop's 10 points up. That's a lot more than a convention bump...that's the start of an avalanche. Obama has gone from just one Reverand Wright to now hundreds, and although his campaign desperately wants the Palin bashing stopped for obvious reasons (well, obvious at least to anyone with a brain or some political saavy), they can't stop it. And the liars and character assassins cannot control themselves either. It's just a perfect scenario for McCain & Palin to waltz into the White House.

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Jongs,

McCain and Obama were in a statistical dead-heat before Denver, then Obmana got a bump that put him some 10 points ahead. Now, McCain's got the bump and they're in a statistical dead-heat again. People talk about momentum after a week. That's not momentum. That's still just the bump.

I understand that before the RNC McCain looked dead in the water. I understand that no one expected him to regain what he'd lost. But just because he's exceeded expectations (or rather his party machine dropping the Palin bomb has), doesn't mean he's got momentum in anyone's mind but the the people who were rooting for him in the first place.

We'll all see if Palin has what it takes to carry the ticket (when was the last time that a VP carried the ticket--or had to? Good luck with that!). Just as instantaneously as her star has risen, it can fall. That the press is acting like monkeys at a poo party, is nothing new and, like monkeys, they'll get tired of it pretty quick. You're crowing about "11 days" like it's an eternity, but it's not. It's a week and a half.

And again, calling a Governor "the most beloved" while she's in the first year and a half of her first term in office, after defeating a corrupt incumbent in a state with the populations of a large city is pretty pathetic and of course aggressively misleading. But "aggressively misleading" is the name of the GOP game, isn't it? Enjoy the confusion Palin's thrown into the race while it lasts.

HKCavalier

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Jongsstraw, there is only one reality. Facts don't turn into lies depending on how you look at them, only opinion does.

Just as an aside, I don't think "truth" and "lie" are exact opposities. "Truth" - IMHO- is what happens when you try to reach a better understanding of the real world. "Lie" is what happens when you deliberately mistate the truth. But in-between there is misunderstanding. I don't call that a "lie", I call that a "mistake".

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As Geezer is fond of saying, "Cites, please." It IMPLIES that he doesn't believe you, but it in no way calls you a liar. It asks for evidence, but doesn't insist that you have none.

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Good thing I was sittin' down 'cause otherwise I would have fallen down! Jongsstraw, you and I AGREE!!!

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:

Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean”
September 5, 2008
by Charley James –

“So Sambo beat the bitch!”

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

According to Lucille, the waitress serving her table at the time and who asked that her last name not be used, Gov. Palin was eating lunch with five or six people when the subject of the Democrat’s primary battle came up. The governor, seemingly not caring that people at nearby tables would likely hear her, uttered the slur and then laughed loudly as her meal mates joined in appreciatively.

“It was kind of disgusting,” Lucille, who is part Aboriginal, said in a phone interview after admitting that she is frightened of being discovered telling folks in the “lower 48” about life near the North Pole.

Then, almost with a sigh, she added, “But that’s just Alaska.”

Racial and ethnic slurs may be “just Alaska” and, clearly, they are common, everyday chatter for Palin.

Besides insulting Obama with a Step-N’-Fetch-It, “darkie musical” swipe, people who know her say she refers regularly to Alaska’s Aboriginal people as “Arctic Arabs” – how efficient, lumping two apparently undesirable groups into one ugly description – as well as the more colourful “mukluks” along with the totally unimaginative “f**king Eskimo’s,” according to a number of Alaskans and Wasillians interviewed for this article.

But being openly racist is only the tip of the Palin iceberg. According to Alaskans interviewed for this article, she is also vindictive and mean. We’re talking Rove mean and Nixon vindictive.

No wonder the vast sea of white, cheering faces at the Republican Convention went wild for Sarah: They adore the type, it’s in their genetic code. So much for McCain’s pledge of a “high road” campaign; Palin is incapable of being part of one.

Tough Getting People Who Know Her to Talk
It’s not easy getting people in the 49th state to speak critically about Palin – especially people in Wasilla, where she was mayor. For one thing, with every journalist in the world calling, phone lines into Alaska have been mostly jammed since Friday; as often as not, a recording told me that “all circuits are busy” or numbers just wouldn’t ring. I should think a state that’s been made richer than God by oil could afford telephone lines and cell towers for everyone.

On a more practical level, many people in Alaska, and particularly Wasilla, are reluctant to speak or be quoted by name because they’re afraid of her as well as the state Republican Party machine. Apparently, the power elite are as mean as the winters.

“The GOP is kind of like organized crime up here,” an insurance agent in Anchorage who knows the Palin family, explained. “It’s corrupt and arrogant. They’re all rich because they do private sweetheart deals with the oil companies, and they can destroy anyone. And they will, if they have to.”

“Once Palin became mayor,” he continued, “She became part of that inner circle.”

Like most other people interviewed, he didn’t want his name used out of fear of retribution. Maybe it’s the long winter nights where you don’t see the sun for months that makes people feel as if they’re under constant danger from “the authorities.” As I interviewed residents it began sounding as if living in Alaska controlled by the state Republican Party is like living in the old Soviet Union: See nothing that’s happening, say nothing offensive, and the political commissars leave you alone. But speak out and you get disappeared into a gulag north of the Arctic Circle for who-knows-how-long.

Alright, that’s an exaggeration brought on by my getting too little sleep and building too much anger as I worked this article. But there’s ample evidence of Palin’s vindictive willingness to destroy people she sees as opponents. Just ask the Wasilla town administrator she hired before firing him because he rebelled against the way Palin demanded he do his job, or the town librarian who refused to hold the book burning Walpurgisnach Mayor Palin demanded.

Ironically, Palin was pushed into hiring the administrator by the party poobahs who helped get her elected after she got herself into trouble over a number of precipitous firings which gave rise to a recall campaign.

“People who fought her attempt to oust the librarian are on her enemies list to this day,” states Anne Kilkenny, a Wasilla resident and one of the few Alaskans willing to speak on-the-record, for attribution, about Palin. In fact, Kilkenny actually circulated an e-mail letter about Palin that was verified and printed by The Nation.

For good measure, Palin booted the Wasilla police chief from office because, she told a local newspaper, he “intimidated” her.

Running on Extreme Fringe Evangelical Views
Sarah Palin drew early attention from state GOP apparatchiks when, during her first mayoral campaign, she ran on an anti-abortion platform. Normally, political parties do not get involved in Alaskan municipal elections because they are nonpartisan. But once word of her extreme fringe evangelical views made its way to Juneau, the state capitol, state Republicans tossed some money behind her campaign.

Once in office, Palin set out to build a machine that chewed up anyone who got in her way. The good, Godly Christian turns out to be anything but.

“She’s doesn’t like different opinions and she refuses to compromise,” Kilkenny notes. “When she was mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t hers. Worse, ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits but on the basis of who proposed them.”

Sound familiar? Palin may well be Dick Cheney’s reincarnate.

Something else has a familiar Republican ring to it: Her tax policies, and a “refund surpluses but borrow for the future” attitude.

According to Kilkenny and others in Wasilla as well as Juneau, Palin reduced progressive property taxes for businesses while mayor and increased a regressive sales tax which even hits necessities such as food. The tax cuts she promoted in her St. Paul speech actually benefited large corporate property owners far more than they benefited residents. Indeed, Kilkenny insists that many Wasilla home owners actually saw their tax bill skyrocket to make up for the shortfall. Two other Wasillian’s with whom I spoke said property taxes on their modest, three bedroom homes rose during the Palin regime.

To an outsider, it would seem hard to do, but an oil-rich town with zero debt on the day she was inaugurated mayor was left saddled with $22 million of debt by the time she moved away to become governor – especially since nothing was spent on things such as improving the city’s infrastructure or building a much-needed sewage treatment plant. So what did Mayor Palin spend the taxpayer’s money on, if not fixing streets and scrubbing sewage?

For starters, she remodelled her office. Several times over, as a matter of fact.

Then Palin spent $1 million on an unnecessary, new park that no one other than the contractors and Palin seemed to want. Next, Sarah doled out more than $15 million of taxpayer money for a sports complex that she shoved through even though the city did not own clear title to the land; now, seven years later, the matter is still in litigation and lawyer fees are said to be close to at least half of the original estimated price of the facility.

She also worked hard to get voters approval of a $5.5 million bond proposal for roads that could have been built without borrowing. Anchorage may not be the center of the financial universe but, like good Republicans everywhere, Sarah Palin knows how to please Alaskan bankers and bond dealers.

For good measure, she turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots.

Sarah Barracuda
En route to the governor’s igloo, Palin managed to land what Anne Kilkenny says is the plumb political appointment in the state: Chair of Alaska’s Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (OGCC), a $122,400 per year patronage slot with no real authority to do anything other than hold meetings. She took the job despite having no background in energy issues and, as it turned out, not liking the work.

“She hated the job,” an OGCC staff member who is not authorized to speak with the news media told me. “She hated the hours and she hated what little work there was to do. But she couldn’t figure out a way to get out of the thing without offending Gov. Murkowski” and the state Republican Party regulars, some of whom were pissed off they didn’t get appointed.

But ever the opportunist, Palin quickly concocted a way. First, she waged a campaign with the local news media claiming that the position was overpaid and should be abolished – despite the fact that she lobbied Murkowski hard to get it. Then, mounting what she saw as a white horse, Palin raised a cloud of dust by resigning from the OGCC and riding away with an undeserved reputation as a “reformer.”

But when a local reporter dared to suggest that the reformer Empress has no clothes, Palin tried to get her fired.

“She came at me like I was trying to steal her kids,” said the targeted reporter, who now works for an oil company in Anchorage. “I heard she had a wild temper and vicious mean streak but it’s nothing like you can imagine until she turns it on you.”

Not surprising since some of her high school classmates still openly call her “Sarah Barracuda,” Kilkenny insists.

Still, as a Republican Party hack Palin managed to get herself elected running under the false flag of a “reformer.”

And what did she bring to the job? No legislative experience other than a city council of a village of 5,000 people, which is smaller than some high schools in Chicago. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; after all, she needed to hire a city administrator to run Wasilla. No executive experience, except for almost being recalled as mayor. A philosophy of setting public policy based on one word: No.

And what has she done since winning the job?

According to Kilkenny, nothing. Well, nothing other than suggesting the state’s multi-multi-million dollar, oil-generated surplus be distributed to residents and finance future state needs by borrowing money. Gee, doesn’t that sound precisely what George Bush did with the surplus he inherited from Bill Clinton in 2001 and we all know in what great shape Bush’s economic policies left the nation.

It may explain why, when asked by reporters, including me, what she thought about Palin being picked to be McCain’s running mate, her mother-in-law replied with a sardonic, “What has Sarah done to qualify her to be vice president?” Of course, when the woman – said by many I spoke with to be well-respected in Wasilla – was running to succeed Palin as mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her, so that may explain the family tension.

As Governor, Palin gave the legislature no direction and budget guidelines, according to the chair of a legislative committee. But then she staged a huge grandstand play of line-item vetoing countless projects, calling them pork. “They were restored because of public outcry and legislative action,” the aide said. “She vetoed them mostly because she had no idea what they were or why they were important.”

But it was enough to get the McCain, who is mostly unobservant of the world around him anyway, to think Palin has a reputation as being “anti-pork”.

In fact, Juneau observers note that Palin kept her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork ladled out by indicted Sen. Ted Stevens. She only opposed the “bridge to nowhere” after it became clear that it would be politically unwise to keep supporting it, these same insiders assert. Then, Palin fell back on her old habits and publicly humiliated him for pork-barrel politics.

As for being “ready on day one” to be commander in chief, despite the repeated public claims she’s made, the Alaska National Guard commander said that, “she has made no command decisions, other than sending some troops to help fight a few brush fires and march in parades at county fairs.”

“Sambo Beat the Bitch”
“Palin is a conniving, manipulative, a**hole,” someone who thinks these are positive traits in a governor told me, summing up Palin’s tenure in Alaska state and local politics.

“She’s a bigot, a racist, and a liar,” is the more blunt assessment of Arnold Gerstheimer who lived in Alaska until two years ago and is now a businessman in Idaho.

“Juneau is a small town; everybody knows everyone else,” he adds. “These stories about what she calls blacks and Eskimos, well, anyone not white and good looking actually, were around long before she became a glint in John McCain’s rheumy eyes. Why do I know they’re true? Because everyone who isn’t aboriginal or Indian in Alaska talks that way.”

“Sambo beat the bitch” may be everyday language up in the bush. Whether it – and the outlook, politics and worldview Palin reflects when she says such things in public – should be part of a presidential campaign is another thing altogether. The comment says as much about McCain as it does about Palin, and it says a lot of things about Americans who overlook such statements (as well as her record) and vote anyway for McCain.

by Charley James

Friends: This article has been inundated with comments. We are no longer accepting comments. Please see the followup article by reporter Charley James, “Me and Sarah Palin.” –Eds.

Charley James is an American journalist, author and essayist who lives in Toronto.


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